Patriots lose to the Cards in the first game, then go unbeaten the rest of the way. Jimmy Garoppolo is good enough to beat the Dolphins, Texans and Bills at home, then Tommy comes back with a giant chip on his shoulder and goes ham on the rest of the league.In post 10, PokerFace wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ion-appeal
Brady is out first 4 games this year. I foresee 1-3 start for them.
I think what will decide the winner of the afc east comes down to whether or not fritz comes back
Patriots should shut out the Jets if Geno is at the helm and finish 11-5, otherwise 10-6 is more likely
I see miami getting at least 6 wins if fritz is back, possibly 8 if he is not
I see buffalo getting 8 wins if fritz is back, 9 if he is not
If Jets get fritz back then, I see them going 10-6 so they could steal afc east from patriots pending tie breakers. If fritz is not back then they go 5-11 or 6-10.
Patriots are more likely to repeat their afc east crown then not, even with Brady out
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I mean, if you assume he should be suspended (which he shouldn't the evidence just isn't there to justify it but whatever, that argument was had last summer), then similar violations of NFL rules - interfering with equipment - result in fines (using stickum, for example - Ericht Rhett was fined $5,000 for using stickum in 1996). Historical instances of teams messing with the air pressure of balls (Vikings/Panthers, for example, when balls were deliberately heated to manipulate the air pressure inside) resulted in slaps on the wrist. Non co-operation with an investigation got Brett Favre a $50,000 fine in 2010 (which was cellphone related) - in 2012, the Chargers were fined $20,000 for refusing to co-operate in an investigation into whether they were illegally using stickum soaked towels (not cellphone related - their staff refused to hand over the towels themselves to the NFL). Basically, assuming Brady is guilty, a fine in the region of $100k is the maximum punishment the NFL should have imposed, based on precedent.
But then, Deflate Gate was never about deflating footballs, it was all about petty revenge for the perceived leniency of Spygate.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Fitzpatrick is that much better than Geno Smith. I bet if you asked most Jets fans what their best play of last season was, at least 50% of them would nominate I.K. Enemkpali punching Geno in the face.In post 19, BS2000 wrote:
You really think fitzpatrick is that good? Josh McCown had a better passer rating than him last year.In post 10, PokerFace wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ion-appeal
Brady is out first 4 games this year. I foresee 1-3 start for them.
I think what will decide the winner of the afc east comes down to whether or not fritz comes back
Patriots should shut out the Jets if Geno is at the helm and finish 11-5, otherwise 10-6 is more likely
I see miami getting at least 6 wins if fritz is back, possibly 8 if he is not
I see buffalo getting 8 wins if fritz is back, 9 if he is not
If Jets get fritz back then, I see them going 10-6 so they could steal afc east from patriots pending tie breakers. If fritz is not back then they go 5-11 or 6-10.
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At least if the Jets start Geno we'll know who the 5th best starting QB in the AF East is.It's not Brady, Tannehill, Garoppolo or TaylorShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Considering the only problem with the NE O-Line was half of them being injured at the end of last year, and they're pretty much all back, I don't think that's a worry.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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2. 49ers - The obvious fit, Foles had his great season with Kelly, Kaepernick has questions about his commitment to the team right now and the other options are Blaine Gabbert, Thad Lewis and a sixth round rookie.
3. Jets - Obvious need since right now they're starting Geno Smith
4. Colts - They have Luck, but Foles is a clear upgrade on Morris and Tolzein.
5. Bills - Taylor's in the last year of his deal, they've concluded EJ Manuel's a bust and they'll need at least a veteran backup to help Cardale Jones develop for next year.
6. Chargers - They need to replace Rivers, so inv4sting inFoles migth be weise, although Mettenberger wasn't that bad with the Titans even if he didn't win, and might well be the QB of the future there.
Browns- Off the table, they're rolling with RGIII and have two QBs with starting experience and a newly drafted rookie on the depth chart - they're not going to unsettle RGII and they don't need a back-up.
Cowboys- Off the list, because no matter how banged up Romo gets, Jerrah still believes he's invincible, plus they like Kellen Moore and they just drafted Prescott.
Broncos- They drafted their QB of the future, signed Sanchez as the veteran presence and they're high on Siemian who might end up as the starting QB Week One.
Cardinals- Palmer may be old, but they believe in Drew Stanton as his replacement and backup, no sense wasting money on Foles.
Falcons- Matty Ice isn't going anywhere and Schaub's an acceptable back up.
Ravens- Flacco isn't going anywhere and they have backups with starting experience who're perfectly acceptable. May change if Mallett has off the field issues.
Patriots- More on Foles side - he had a great 2013, wasn't that bad in 2014 and so I doubt he'd want to get cut after week four.
Chiefs- They don't need a startying QB, and their backups are a collection of young guys who could all end up replacing him.
Bears- Cutler and Hoyer are both better than Foles, and behind them they've got a couple of young guys. No need.
Those are the teams Egg listed, ranked by likelihood of signing Foles, and explaining why I don't think he'll sign for the others. You'll notice I don't have anybody in the #1 slot, because you didn't mention my pick for his next team.
1. Saints - The major omission from your list, Brees is out of contract at the end of this year, with no chance of being tagged and currently no progress being made on an extension, plus he's 38. Behind him they've got Luke McCown (whop's 35 and not really a QB of the future) and Garrett Grayson.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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He's not far removed from a season where he threw 27 TDs and 2 INTs, there are plenty of teams who'll consider signing him.In post 46, PJ. wrote:
Goodbye Nick Foles.In post 41, Egg wrote:So Nick Foles.
Best fits in order:
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2. Browns
3. 49ers
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5. Broncos
6. Cardinals
7. Colts
8. Chargers
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He's still an upgrade over Geno as the back up, and it's a one year deal, so it's not like they've got him locked up for the long term. I'd likely drop them down a spot or two because he's back, but it doesn't take them out of the running.In post 49, Nero Cain wrote:Well Jets just resigned Fitz so Foles to Jets ain't happening.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Now Fitz is signed, Geno's getting cut, imo. If they sign Foles, then Pretty might be gone as well. Fitz is obviously the starter at the rate they're paying him, Hacknburg is obviously safe and Petty's only in his second year. Geno's had his chance, shown that there's nothing there, so he's gone.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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You're missing the point. We're not saying Fitz is the second coming of Dan Marino, we're saying that Geno is bad. I'd say there are at least 40, maybe 50 or more better QBs than Geno in the NFL right now.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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I've just been reminded of another team that might sign Foles - the Seahawks. Right now, their only back ups for Wilson are an undrafted rookie and an undrafted 2nd year guy,
Foles would be a clear upgrade there.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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It's an upgrade to being the back up to Case Keenum, and being one injury away from being the starter for a contender is better than not having a job.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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They were very nearly a play off team last year, why would you throw away a season when your main divisional competition is without their starting QB for the first four games and you have your best chance to make it in years?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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I think you typoed "PIT" as "CIN" there, buddy.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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It's not a Begals/Steelers dichotomy.In post 85, PokerFace wrote:CIN lost some key wide receivers during the off season. They still have Green but he can't do it all. I think PIT will take that division and therefore not compete with NYJ for a wild card
CIN also lost Hue Jackson. I don't see Dalton repeating the numbers he got last year with the new crowd, new coordinator. He is also gonna need to fully recover health wise given his injury late last year. Dalton's got a lot he has to overcome and my money is on, he can't do it.
As much as I hate PIT, odds are they will overcome their issues more than CIN will overcome theirs. Ben has succeeded more often in the past than Dalton.
(Also, I made a mistake, for which I apologize. Obviously, I meant BAL, not PIT, since the Steelers will finish 3rd in the division this year.)Last edited by Bella on Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:23 am, edited 1 time in total.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Geno's not a rookie, he's a 4th year player. The Jets know what they've got in Geno. Remember, he's been working with the starters during the whole offseason so far. Look at the deal they did with Fitz. They could have done that months ago. The fact that they finally did it now is down to two things: a) the fact that they realized Fitz wasn't going to blink and b) the prospect of starting Geno in games that matter.In post 87, Nero Cain wrote:
It all boils down to if you think Fitz is a significant upgrade over Geno. Based on career stats, Fitz. But gut and last years stats doesn't really make me think so. I'm am also arguing that I think it would have been a much better idea for them to wait and look at Geno/Petty in camp and only moved on Fitz if they didn't like what they see. Also if they had waited they could have gotten Foles.In post 82, Bella wrote:why would you throw away a season when your main divisional competition is without their starting QB for the first four games and you have your best chance to make it in years?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Also, the Cowboys are back in the Nick Foles sweepstakes, on account of Kellen Moore breakign his ankles. Wild theory? For game one of the regular season, Geno Smith will be the Cowboys backup.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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- The Ravens' issues last year were down to injuries, they'll be a lot healthier by the time the season starts. Reports say Flacco has fully recovered. Don't sleep on Dennis Pitta returning, too.
- The Bengals defence is still pretty good, Dalton's top two targets are still there (Green and Eifert), Brandon LaFell is a capable replacement for either Jones or Sanu and they drafted Boyd, so they it's not like they're as weak as, say, last season's Panthers were at WR. Zampese has been the QB Coach there for years, so it's not like there'll be any sudden shake-ups.
- Steelers have lost key offensive pieces (Heath Miller, Bryant, Bell for the first four games), did nothing to improve their awful line that can't protect Roethlisberger (who as he gets older, can't take all the hits) and didn't do enough to address their defence, which was below average last year. Also still coached by Mike Tomlin.
- The Browns are the Browns.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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The Heath Miller loss is bigger than many people think for the Steelers - he could block and catch passes, and was still one of the best tight ends in the league even if he was past his peak. He was also a trusted outlet for Roethlisberger when he was scrambling around, and the fact that he's lost that coupled with their weak line - and both the Bengals and Ravens have very good pass rush within the division. That's not even touching on the leadership hole he leaves behind.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Foles is apparently a Chief. I don't think it makes that much sense, tbh, but I guess it means they've given up on Aaron Murray. At least it means my "Geno to the Cowboys" theory is still on.
The fact that the Chargers chose to keep the what's left of Antonio Gates over Green says a lot about his ability to replace Heath Miller. Like I said, he's a bigger loss than many people think for his ability to block and bolster a shitty O-line and for being the first guy Ben looks for when a play breaks down.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Obviously subject to change based on training camp injuries and such, but yes.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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He didn't choose the Cowboys because Jerry and Stephen Jones essentially said he wasn't as good as Kellen Moore when he became a FA. Andy Reid is the guy who drafted him, so that might have made a difference.Last edited by Bella on Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:53 am, edited 1 time in total.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Well, there's a possibility of a game tonight, apparently they used the wrong paint for the end zones and center field, and it's currently unsafe to play on.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Fitz was traded to the Jets on March 11th. IK Enemkpali's MVP-clinching moment came 5 months later, on August 11th.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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6th round pick that they traded to the Falcons as part of the trade up two spots to pick Nick Martin. Martin's currently their starting center... so I guess they turned Fitzpatrick into like... a starting O-Lineman's leg, if we're being generous?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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And that's because it upgraded from a 7th round pick because Fitz got enough playing time. I wonder if the Texans sent a fruit basket to IK Enemkpali to say thanks?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Thus far in the preseason, Bryce Petty is clearly out-playing Geno Smith. It's odd that they're not letting Hackenberg play, but he's a second round rookie so it'd be really hard to imagine the Jets having given up on him already, and even harder to believe they'd cut him. Fitz is the clear starter. If Petty and Smith are playing for one slot on the depth chart, then unless Geno does something in the remaining preseason games that he's never shown before, he's gone - and it's getting harder and harder to pick out a landing spot for him.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Maybe the LA Kiss have a spot on their roster for him?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Alex Smith looked like a waste of a roster slot after three years, he picked it up and became an above average starter. Kurt Warner washed out of the NFL before becoming an IOWA BARNSTORMER and eventually becoming a Super Bowl winning QB and nearly winning a second.Players improve at different rates, some need time to mature, some just need to be coached properly instead of being treated like video game players. It's not hard to understand why people cling on to shittos they drafted in the hopes that they'll suddenly flick the switch and become alright to good players.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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- I think Alex Smith hit more than serviceable, fwiw, and I personally think Warner's a future Hall of Famer (borderline, sure, but on the right side of the line), but that's just quibbling.
- Football doesn't have too many examples of late bloomers because the fundamental infrastructure isn't there to enable those kinda people to survive playing the game before they finally make it. It's certainly not common, but it's a lot less uncommon in other sports with different organizational structures.
- The Hackenberg situation is weird, because the Jets won't just come out and say "He's a work in progress, and we feel it's better for his future development if he not play yet" or "Petty and Smith are fighting for a roster slot, so we need to take longer looks at them" or whatever their reason is, which opens the door to some crazy speculation that can't be good for anyone.
- Freeman at least had like one good season, which is two more than Geno.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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In Freeman's case, it was being traded to the Vikings and thrown in the lineup before he'd had time to learn their offence that really killed his career. He's never been any good since.
US sports with their franchise model, rookie drafts and - particularly for the NFL - lack of a real minor league system are structurally configured against late bloomers. Randy Johnson's probably the best example in US sports, and baseball has the best minor league system in US sports. It's more common (though obviously bot that common) in sports like soccer, where most of the world operates promotion/relegation systems that allow players who peak later in lower divisions climb higher and make their mark when they';d otherwise be forgotten - Jamie Vardy and Rickie Lambert are more recent examples, off the top of my head.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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About that leg... https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/768803882990505985In post 109, Bella wrote:6th round pick that they traded to the Falcons as part of the trade up two spots to pick Nick Martin. Martin's currently their starting center... so I guess they turned Fitzpatrick into like... a starting O-Lineman's leg, if we're being generous?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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So about that...In post 129, Bella wrote:No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.
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On the plus side, my "Geno to Dallas" theory is viable again!ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Cowboys and Vikings will now commence fighting over the corpses of Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. Sorry, friends.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Which McClain are you talking about? Rolando McClain's suspended for 10 games and doesn't even have a locker at the practice facility. Terrell McClain's played 16 games in a season once (and didn't start any of them). Claiborne's reported to have had a good camp, but I'll believe it when I see it in actual games - he's pretty much been a bust in his game action so far. The rest are a completely uninspiring bunch, and they don't have a Belichick level coach to make chicken salad out of their collection of chicken shit.In post 160, PJ. wrote:Mcclain good too. Claiborne also isn't a total idiotShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Based on their preseason performances, this is about as likely as the Browns winning their division. The Lions are far more likely to be the team that benefits most from Bridgewater going down. Also the NFC South.In post 167, Wraith wrote:Fuck, I really like Teddy B and the Vikings too.
Though this now raises the potential of a Bears dark horse run which I'd be interested to see as well.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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And right after he was suspended, he skipped OTAs, which is his right, but pissed off the coaching staff.In post 168, PJ. wrote:
Rolando but he seems to be a man without a country? Apparently he tested positive for drank? This is bizarreIn post 164, Bella wrote:
Which McClain are you talking about? Rolando McClain's suspended for 10 games and doesn't even have a locker at the practice facility. Terrell McClain's played 16 games in a season once (and didn't start any of them). Claiborne's reported to have had a good camp, but I'll believe it when I see it in actual games - he's pretty much been a bust in his game action so far. The rest are a completely uninspiring bunch, and they don't have a Belichick level coach to make chicken salad out of their collection of chicken shit.In post 160, PJ. wrote:Mcclain good too. Claiborne also isn't a total idiotShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Pre-season records don't matter, but the awful performance of the starters does.In post 173, hasdgfas wrote:
The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason in their 0-16 season. I don't trust preseason performances.In post 169, Bella wrote:
Based on their preseason performances, this is about as likely as the Browns winning their division. The Lions are far more likely to be the team that benefits most from Bridgewater going down. Also the NFC South.In post 167, Wraith wrote:Fuck, I really like Teddy B and the Vikings too.
Though this now raises the potential of a Bears dark horse run which I'd be interested to see as well.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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AFC East
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Miami Dolphins
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New York Jets
AFC North
Baltimore Ravens (3)
Cincinatti Bengals (5)
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Cleveland Browns
AFC South
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Jacksonville Jaguars (6)
Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans
AFC West
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Oakland Raiders
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
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Washington Redskins
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Green Bay Packers (2)
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Minnesota Vikings
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Carolina Panthers (1)
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Wildcard Round:
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Roethlisberger's played all 16 games 3 times in his 12 seasons, is 34 and behind a mediocre at best line. Their star running back is suspended for 3 games, and their #2 wideout is suspended for the season. They lost their experienced, star tight end, and replaced him with whatever's left of Ladarius Green. They didn't significantly improve a below average defence from last season. They're still coached by Mike Tomlin. Tell me again why people are picking them to win their division?ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Age makes players more susceptible to injury - it's a natural part of the aging process. Ben can't keep getting hit like he has all through his career.1. Ben's injuries are indeed a high concern, but he's been playing the best football of his career these past two seasons. His age doesn't matter here.
Pouncey is an excellent player (even if his off-field judgment is suspect), but I disagree on Foster and DeCastro (to some extent). Tackels are a definite issue. Beachum was the second best lineman the Steelers had, and Villanueva isn't anything like as good. Harris is probably better, but he's also hurt a lot.2. Our line is most decidedlynot"mediocre." Since Mike Munchak came to Pittsburgh to be our OL coach in 2014, our OL has been one of thebestin the league. David DeCastro just came off a Pro Bowl season. Our line was riddled with injuries last season (Beachum tore his ACL six games in and Pouncey was out from the start) and took a step back from 2014, but not by much. Firstly, Pouncey came back from a far more severe injury in 2014 and looked just like his old All-Pro self - I expect him to repeat that here. While Beachum's departure is a significant loss, he was gone most of last season and Alejandro Villanueva filled in admirably though not excellently. While I have heard he struggled in preseason I don't expect that to last during the regular season. With Pouncey, Foster, and DeCastro, we arguably have the league's best interior line and run blocking and I expect that to continue.
Williams is 33 (which in running back years is like 50) and always hurt.3. Bell being suspended 3 games is no big deal at all. D-Will was amazing in his place most of last season. This isn't the 2014 WC game against Baltimore where losing Bell left us to rely on a washed-up, sign-a-week-ago Ben Tate.
I mean, sure Bryant can beat anyone, but if he's not open, where do you go?4. Bryant being suspended is significant but should not cripple the offense. So soon people forget that Brown can single-handedly burnanysecondary in the league, save for the Seahawks. Coates stepped up well during the playoff game against the Broncos, and was specifically drafted as a Bryant clone. The passing attack should be fine.
Miller was also the glue that bound your offence together, he was very much a leader (if not the leader) and Ben's first look when he's in trouble. Replacing him as a tight end is relatively easy - he was on the downside of his career - but replacing him as a leader? Not so much, and I don't see anyone who can step up to replace him in that sense.5. Miller was old and not a very big factor in the passing attack last season. While his blocking will certainly be missed, Miller was no longer a "star" tight end in the receiving sense and was not a big loss. Green's absence is concerning, however.
Can I amend that to "average", then? They padded their stats by playing a lot of garbage teams last season (Browns twice, 49ers, Rams, Chargers, Colts and Ravens after they lost their QBs). I'll give you that they're improving, though.6. Our defense was not "below average" by any stretch of the word last season, and this common talking point among non-Steelers fans is a pet peeve of mine. Statistically, we were #11 in Points Allowed (the key defensive stat), #3 in Sacks, and #3 in Takeaways. While our secondary continues to need improvement, our pass rush has gradually improved every season - Cam Heyward and Stephon Tuitt (who has been criminally overlooked) are a mean tag-team of interior linemen, Bud Dupree had a very promising rookie showing, Timmons remains an elite inside linebacker, and Shazier is a fearsome force to be reckoned with so long as he avoids injury (see his monstrous contribution in the WC game vs the Bengals). The only area we were below average in defensively was Yards Allowed, which is not surprising considering the state of the secondary and also rather meaningless compared to Points Allowed.
He's not a very good coach, and it's easy to never have a losing season when two games each year are against the Browns. He was carried to two Super Bowl titles by talent drafted under Cowher and coached by Bruce Arians (aka the second best coach in the NFL) and Dick LeBeau.7. I don't know why you apparently have a problem with Tomlin. He's never had a losing season. Arguably his biggest flaw as a coach is that he takes too many gambles for extra points.Last edited by Bella on Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:40 am, edited 1 time in total.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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It's a fucking terrible deal, giving up a 1st and a 4th for a guy who's not that much better than Shaun Hill and presents a problem when Teddy's back. The Roseman and Pederson went all Zed and Maynard on the Vikings, which I guess makes Bradford The Gimp. Approriate considering how often he's injured...In post 201, Wraith wrote:Bradford to the Vikings
Puts the Vikes back in contention. They'll likely make a WC berth now.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Also, the Eagles got better with this trade, I rate Daniels as a QB.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Over the course of their careers, Hill's been a more accurate passer (62% to 60.1%), has thrown longer per pass (6.8 yds to 6.5 yds), thrown more of his passes for TDs (4.1% to 3.4%) and has a better overall QB rating (85.2 to 81.0). Bradford's ahead in interception percentage (2.3% to 2.5%). Hill's not been on better teams than Bradford, and has been a backup everywhere, meaning he's playing with people he's had fewer snaps to get chemistry with. He can do the job the Vikings need Bradford to do, has more experience of the Vikings offense, isn't an injury risk and doesn't cost a 1st and a 4th.
This is The Josh Freeman Debacle all over again.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Also, the Steelers moved toimproveadd toaffect their secondary by trading for Justin Gilbert.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Oh, apparently the fourth rounder upgrades to a second if Bradford plays 80% of the snaps and the Vikings win the Super Bowl. At least that pick's safe...ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Bradford's played all 16 games twice in his career. He's played just under 2/3rds of the possible games he could have thanks to injury (63/96). I maintain that they just sent a 1st and a 4th to the Eagles for a guy who isn't a noticeable upgrade over Shaun Hill (and will get hurt again anyway).ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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There need to be more than fines for the individual players. At worst, that was a coordinated attempt to injure a player which directly won them the game, at best, they're teaching some really questionable techniques in Denver. Half of those hits look like players deliberately launching themselves helmet first at Cam's head, and it seemed a lot worse after half time. The point where he took a really nasty one from Von Miller is the point at which the game turned around.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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Like, with that quantity of shots he took from players launching themselves at him with either no regard for their own safety or malicious intentions, there have to be serious consequences. Player or coach suspensioins, fines for the team and coaches should be considered on top of that. In fact, I'd say there's a coherent case to be made for making the Broncos forfeit the game. I don't think that'd be fair, personally, but at some point, the NFL needs to get serious about such behavior,ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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I mean, I said I didn't agree with it, but it was a one point game, and after the hits started getting really blatant, Cam's performance dropped markedly, and if there's evidence of sustained targeting of the head by order of the Broncos coaching staff, do you not think it's fair for them to have a win they got by blatantly cheating and mocking the rules to be taken away from them? I mean, that's the ultimate sanction that the NFL has to be prepared to use purely to absolutely discourage that kinda behavior. That win could mean the difference between making the play off and not, and if Cam had been seriously injured - which he absolutely could have been on some of those plays, especially when he was tied up by one player and another launched himself at him like a fucking missile - then Carolina's Super Bowl hopes go in Derek Anderson's hands, aka season over.In post 223, PokerFace wrote:I agree with you guys except for that forfeit part. I don't think we need to go that far yet. If that team keeps doing it then yay go that far. Refs should have thrown alot more flags than they didShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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100% agree. If the NFL was taking concussions seriously, it'd mandate a timeout that doesn't count against either team and thoroughly check the suspected concussion before the game resumes. It's the only fair way to ensure neither team gets an advantage from such a situation.In post 229, PJ. wrote:I would like to mention the otherside of it: Cam took those head shots, hard. One was at the end of the game after he was seemingly knocked unconscious earlier in the game. I know he's the MVP, and he's important to the team in a 2 minute drive situation, but concussion protocol is supposed to be not a joke. Every time a big time player is kept in a game towards the end, despite being probably concussed, it makes concussion protocol more and more of a joke.
I mean, yeah, they almost lost the game despite it, but the head shots are the only reason it was that close to begin with.Also, let's not forget what exactly won the game, and not blame it solely on the headshots.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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I watch the Steelers plenty. I also never said DeCastro was bad, just that I don't rate him as highly as some people do. World of difference there, bro.In post 235, scotmany12 wrote:Izzy, Decastro hasn't allowed a single sack the past two seasons. Please refrain from commenting on the Steelers (a team I know you hate) when you clearly don't watch them.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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That's not what the rule is. The rule is, if the spotter says you might have a concussion, you need to come out of the game and get checked. The game isn't stopped until he's assessed, which means a)In post 238, PJ. wrote:
This is already in place. There are a bunch of guys in blue hats that are concussion experts, and medical personnel up in the booth that can call a medical timeout at any time. But this guys seem to be of the "fight doctor" quality. "I know you have a broken hand, but if you tell me you can fight then we'll start it up".In post 233, Bella wrote:100% agree. If the NFL was taking concussions seriously, it'd mandate a timeout that doesn't count against either team and thoroughly check the suspected concussion before the game resumes. It's the only fair way to ensure neither team gets an advantage from such a situation.
nobody wants to be wrong and pull a star player from a close game thus directly affecting the result and b) there's an incentive for teams to go headhunting, if only to get the opposing QB pulled out of the game for assessment.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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The Bears performed in a manner consistent with their shaky preseason. Against better teams with better QB play (Osweiler wasn't great today) they could get smashed. Unless something changes, they'll be the bottom team in the NFC North this season, because the Vikings got by (against the Titians, mind) with a really good defensive performance. Certainly based on that performance, the Bradford trade was unnecessary. Speaking of which, the evidence that the trade made the Eagles better was on show today.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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That's not the point I was making, though.In post 241, PJ. wrote:They are supposed to make sure a guy gets tested when warranted. There was definitely enough smoke there to look for fire.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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The sad thing is, they won't even be the worst defence in the league this season since the Saints D theoretically exists.In post 242, Wraith wrote:[*] Colts defense could be historically awful. That is absolutely embarrassing. Colts GM badly needs to be fired, because that defense has been god-awful for years and several drafts have not changed that. Lions aren't pushovers as expected but I'm still skeptical of them. Difficult to get a proper read on them until they play teams that aren't as bad defensively.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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I guess I'd better revise my Pats prediction to perfect season.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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There worrying thing for the Cards is that Carson Palmer looked at times like the Panthers finally got revenge for what the Cards did to Jake Delhomme.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?