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The years he had both a stable locker room and a good coach. He's only had two bad years. 1 was with a completely incompetent coach and the other was a combination of fading (or not quite there yet talent) and an unstable locker room. I think calling him lucky that he "caught people by surprise" is a disservice to Kaepernick. When he had his full season where he was a top 10 passer, teams had already had 11 games of tape on the guy. Kaepernick can ball if he's set up for success. I'm just not sure SF is.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Can we all acknowledge that four games is a ridiculous ban. That's a quarter of the season. That's equivalent to a 20.5 game suspension in the NBA so let's call it 21. This is a comprehensive list of things that the NBA suspended for more than a quarter of the season: a domestic assault, a sucker punch, 2 guys involved in Malice in the Palace, 2 guys having guns in their locker, and LATRELL SPREWELL CHOKING HIS COACH. That's it. If you call it 20, you get 2 dudes with ACTUAL PEDS. Kelly Olynyk got 1 game for breaking Kevin Love's arm. Only guys in Baseball that get 40 games or more are steroid users. Brady suspension is really about sticking it to the Pats and Brady and not about justice for the not really crime.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Goodbye Nick Foles.In post 41, Egg wrote:So Nick Foles.
Best fits in order:
1. Jets
2. Browns
3. 49ers
4. Cowboys
5. Broncos
6. Cardinals
7. Colts
8. Chargers
9. Bills
10. Falcons
11. Ravens
12. Patriots
13. Chiefs
14. Bears
BC Lions
Hamilton Tiger-Cats
L.A Kiss
Cleveland Gladiators
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The NFC East is like NFL fan fiction. I consider it non-canon.In post 50, Bella wrote:He's not far removed from a season where he threw 27 TDs and 2 INTs, there are plenty of teams who'll consider signing him.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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It's a small sample size, but Geno played totally fine last year to be fair. But would I expect him to be a top half starter? No. Fitz WAS a slightly better than average starter. I don't expect Fitz to have regressed and if Forte doesn't play like complete shit, Fitz should only be made better by him. Fitz is pretty underrated tbf. He played better than a number of guys who are considered tier 1 or 2 QBs last year.
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QBs that Fitz played better than last year with comparable WRs: Bortles, Osweiler/BrokenPeytonManning, Bad Manning, Matty Ice, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Sorry that you are wrong. Bad manning was a below average QB last year. Rodgers was a merely average one.
And yes Bad Manning as in the Manning that hasn't been Good Manning for the 16 of the last 18 years or some shit. Feel free to add Carr to the list if you want as well.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 78, Egg wrote:Yeah, I saw an article saying he was a good fit there. But he didn't want to be a backup to Goff. Why would he want to be a backup to Wilson?Bella wrote:contenderSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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@Nero.
2 things man.
1st: Serviceable starting QBs basically come in 2 flavors. Rookie contract and 100m contract guy. Just the mere fact that Fitz is going to be a guaranteed serviceable QB that cost 4m and 4.5m less than the next 2 guys(Andy Dalton and Carson Palmer) is a victory. But add to the fact that this is ONLY a 1 year deal and ISN'T a franchise tag, it's kind of a steal.
2nd: Would you willing to bet your job and possibly your career that Geno is going to be an average to good starting QB this season? I definitely wouldn't.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I think it should be noted that even if Green is the best pass catching tight end the world has ever seen, in Haley's system he's still only gonna get 550 yards. So if his blocking contributions are significantly less than Miller's would be, it's going to be a net negative.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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On a serious note, idk why teams are so slow to cut bait on these shittos. QB is really motherfucking hard and if you can't do it after 3 years in the big time, you just can't do it. You're a shitto for life. Plain and simple man. There are unemployed guys I would 100% take over geno. Lindley, Freeman, Yates. Those guys are all various level of bad too but I'd trust all of them to not suck as bad as Geno. You gotta fill out a roster but it's tough to do that with a QB that only played a spread and can't run ANYTHING else. I'd rather go with one of the greener guys moving forward on any roster than slot a shitto like Geno. He's a dead spot. His cut-level talent. Just release him and hope Petty or Hack is the answer.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Alex Smith always kinda looked like Alex Smith though(Full disclosure : Alex Smith is from my neighborhood and played pop warner with my cousins and Bush). A guy who could be perfectly serviceable in a decent scheme and manage the game. Kurt Warner is a fair point but just because 1 bag boy goes on to have a near hall of fame career doesn't mean we should be keeping a bag boy on every roster, ya know? And what's the difference between Geno and Hack and Petty right now? They are all bag boys to me. The only true difference is Geno is a certified bag boy the other two we just speculate they are.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I'm too lazy to look the stats up, but I think Freeman was putting it all together after a couple of decent years and had his career completely torpedo'd by that shithead D coach from rutgers that got the TB job a few years back. The one that tried to cheese NYG on a kneel down and was like "NO WE PLAY HARD EVERY SNAP BLAH BLAH". If he had a different landing spot than TB, I think he would of been pretty good actually.
As far as late bloomers go, don't they normally happen after a major sport wide shift in tactics and/or a promising guy that got derailed by injuries and came back after a long lay off? I think Kurt Warner fits in one of those categories. Shaun Livingston(basketball) is kinda in both camps. I can't think of any guy in the sport I follow that really just turned it on after years of not really being able to figure it out. But I agree the examples are few and far between cause most sports don't have time to wait.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 123, Bella wrote:In Freeman's case, it was being traded to the Vikings and thrown in the lineup before he'd had time to learn their offence that really killed his career. He's never been any good since.
US sports with their franchise model, rookie drafts and - particularly for the NFL - lack of a real minor league system are structurally configured against late bloomers. Randy Johnson's probably the best example in US sports, and baseball has the best minor league system in US sports. It's more common (though obviously bot that common) in sports like soccer, where most of the world operates promotion/relegation systems that allow players who peak later in lower divisions climb higher and make their mark when they';d otherwise be forgotten - Jamie Vardy and Rickie Lambert are more recent examples, off the top of my head.
Some of it is also pure numbers, right? Soccer specifically has 5 major leagues, right. So "success" can be quantified a little differently. There are basically 100 GK1 spots in top level soccer, vs 32 QB1 spots in football. And it kinda goes all the way down the line. If you're in the top 300 GKs on the planet, you have a very high chance of being somewhere in the top level, where if you're in the top 300 QBs, you probably are a bag boy, and only a tenth of those guys every have any hope playing regularly. So you can be successful without successful.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Basically this. As we mentioned early, QBs exist in eternal free agency for people to sign at will when things get dicey. More 2 I'll be joining I'm sure. Clipboard Jesus is unsigned.In post 129, Bella wrote:No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 132, Bella wrote:
So about that...In post 129, Bella wrote:No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-in-back/
One of the comments on that article was about how the bucs would call JJ to ship Mike Glennon. If I'm Jones I'm not sure I take that phone call.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Rolando but he seems to be a man without a country? Apparently he tested positive for drank? This is bizarreIn post 164, Bella wrote:
Which McClain are you talking about? Rolando McClain's suspended for 10 games and doesn't even have a locker at the practice facility. Terrell McClain's played 16 games in a season once (and didn't start any of them). Claiborne's reported to have had a good camp, but I'll believe it when I see it in actual games - he's pretty much been a bust in his game action so far. The rest are a completely uninspiring bunch, and they don't have a Belichick level coach to make chicken salad out of their collection of chicken shit.In post 160, PJ. wrote:Mcclain good too. Claiborne also isn't a total idiotSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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AFC East
Patriots(1)
Jets (6)
Bills
Dolphins
AFC North
Bengals(3)
Steelers
Browns
Ravens
AFC South
Colts(4) (Luck is back and I have faith he will bounce backfrom a very bad/weird year)
Titans
Texans
Jaguars
AFC West
Chiefs (2)
Broncos(5)
Raiders
Chargers
NFC East
Washington (4)
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys
NFC North
Packers (3)
Lions (5)
Vikings
Bears
NFC South
Panthers (1)
Saints
Bucs
Falcons
NFC Best
Cardinals (2)
Seahawks (6)
Rams
49ers
AFC
Bengals>Jets
Colts<Broncos
Pats>Broncos
Chiefs<Bengals
Pats>Bengals
NFC
Packers<Seahawks
Washington<Lions
Panthers>Seahawks
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Get Lucked.In post 181, Papa Zito wrote:
You see the cool kids picking the Texans to win the division?In post 178, PokerFace wrote:Do I think that division is worst divison in afc and jax will be the ones to get out alive? Yes
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Still, when Teddy B comes back, they have a guy they can't cut and is a massive drain on the cap. Re:Texans, how much of Merculis' production is a product of playing opposite Watt though? Jackson is definitely not consistent, Wilfork is OLD, Clowned isn't who we thought he was, at least not yet. I think Texans D is a little overstated.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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There was a big article a year or so back(i don't remember where), that one of the effects of the concussion fines and stuff is guys going for legs, and a bunch of receivers are actually making deals with DBs pre-game, saying "I'll pay all your fines, no knee shots".
There were a lot of head shots in that game, and there was a lot of like "head shot gamesmanship". Von got in late a few times and like forearm smash cam in the helmet several times, And there was a lot of arm to the head tackles on stewart too.
I would like to mention the otherside of it: Cam took those head shots, hard. One was at the end of the game after he was seemingly knocked unconscious earlier in the game. I know he's the MVP, and he's important to the team in a 2 minute drive situation, but concussion protocol is supposed to be not a joke. Every time a big time player is kept in a game towards the end, despite being probably concussed, it makes concussion protocol more and more of a joke.
Also, let's not forget what exactly won the game, and not blame it solely on the headshots.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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This is already in place. There are a bunch of guys in blue hats that are concussion experts, and medical personnel up in the booth that can call a medical timeout at any time. But this guys seem to be of the "fight doctor" quality. "I know you have a broken hand, but if you tell me you can fight then we'll start it up".In post 233, Bella wrote:100% agree. If the NFL was taking concussions seriously, it'd mandate a timeout that doesn't count against either team and thoroughly check the suspected concussion before the game resumes. It's the only fair way to ensure neither team gets an advantage from such a situation.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That must be tough for you to Garoppol with.In post 247, Wraith wrote:[*] Wow am I eating crow on the Pats missing the playoffs due to suspension and injury. This is bullshit. Belichick is OP as fuck. I'm complaining to the admins about bastard mod bullshit.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Shut up Zito.In post 251, Papa Zito wrote:boo panzer no
You are Brocked and Loaded. You smell what the Brock is cooking, ready to Brock and Roll, ready to play some Brock, paper Scissors. Do you know what your favorite movie is? A Brockwork Orange. Favorite Song? Brock the Kasbah. And if you EVER...EVEEEERRRRRR boo me again, I'm gonna knock your Brocks off.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Brock your socks off?In post 256, Papa Zito wrote:
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Shut up Zito.In post 251, Papa Zito wrote:boo panzer no
You are Brocked and Loaded. You smell what the Brock is cooking, ready to Brock and Roll, ready to play some Brock, paper Scissors. Do you know what your favorite movie is? A Brockwork Orange. Favorite Song? Brock the Kasbah. And if you EVER...EVEEEERRRRRR boo me again, I'm gonna knock your Brocks off.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I saw Kenny Britt drop an easy one and it was pretty funny. Gurley is good, line is fine, receiver is an issue, but they just flat do not have an NFL QB on their roster. I feel Goff got the Sanchez treatment because there was no big name QB at the top of the draft but they need QBS at the top end because a first 10 picks of ol dl does not make money. This year looks like it can mostly be more of the same as the current crop of top guys don't look incredibly impressive.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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And he got hit quite a few times p hard.In post 342, Bella wrote:
Don't crown him yet. Yeah, he's looked real good, but he's only played the Browns and the Bears, who're two of the worst teams in the NFL thus far.In post 335, Wraith wrote:I only saw the first half last night, but damn Wentz is the real deal.
The Steelers-Eagles game next week is going to be a tough one.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.