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Battling is completely irrelevant, mostly because battle rapping is god damn awful. Even the guys that are considered the best of the best, they kinda all sound like extra aggressive slam poetry that lacks all the creativity of actual slam poetry.
Yeah L, had good flow(for his time) and was the punchline king(for his time) but the production of most of his shit was awful. Awful to the point that it detracted and distracted from everything else. Also the body of work is just not there man. Only two real albums of completed shit. He could of been the best. But unfortunately, between the small body of work and the fact that rap has progressed since he's been active, he just doesn't make the cut.
Pun misses top 10 for small body of work as well.
Eazy E doesn't even make a top 50 list. Didn't write his own shit and was bad.
And honestly, I've only listen to Paid in Full, but I feel like Rakim is basic as hell especially compared to nowadays. He definitely should get credit for how influential he is, because every one that inspired everyone that's out now has Rakim on there best list. But it's a different era now. I wouldn't include him or any of his contemporaries like Kane or Slick Rick.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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He sells records and snuffed out Nas. Hova had 6 hot records in like 8 years. Nas is good. Nas is great. Nas hasn't released 6 hot albums, period.In post 90, Zachstralkita wrote:ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww you put jay-z as 1 hahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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A Body of Work argument isn't "quantity over quality" it's "quantity of quality over less quantity of quality". Like I said, Hov has more top 3 or 5 albums of w/e year he released one in then anyone that we have discussed so far. The amount of quality and the ability to put sustained efforts together is astonishing and honestly unlike anything I've seen before or since. The only guy who can boast 6 albums that dominated their respective years like Hov did is Ye and he took almost twice as long.
And yeah, the problem with a lot of freestyle is not much of it is actually off the top. One of my favorite freestyles that seems off the dome is Gambino on hot 97.Last edited by PJ. on Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:22 am, edited 1 time in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In sports, you don't get in the Hall of Fame for only 1 or 2 good years. You have to have sustained greatness. I think that translates well to any field. In order to be a goat, you to have to be able to be great for a long period of time. That's the Kendrick argument, right? Otherwise he'd be very near the GOAT or the actual GOAT. But it's only 3 albums over 4 years. I think Kendrick is undeniable if you aren't judging from a standpoint of body or work. He's released 2 classics (one of which has become a de facto anthem of the new civil rights movement/black lives matter) and another very good album, and has all the skills on the mic and I think over the course of the last year he's become one of the most important rappers of all time, but it's only 4 years and 3 albums.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I was sayin by your parameters, there is no reason that he was in your honorable mentions in your list post. The only reason to keep him off is a longevity argument. He's already infinitely more important to hip hop history than a third of the guys on your list and potentially American History. He has all the skills you mentioned in spades. Why would he be off and L be on? Doesn't make sense. IMO only justification L was on your list (esp at 1) is hipster cred garbage.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 114, Killthestory wrote:
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just requires a certain kind of taste, y'know?In post 99, PJ. wrote:Couldn't get into it.
Anyway, I've been getting into old cudi shit. Also, listened to Nostalgic 64, and it was great.
Not really a taste thing. It's notforme. I couldn't relate to it and i just couldn't really get into it.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 118, Oman wrote:
Holy shit I feel like this about Chance's Coloring Books. Which is a shame cause the flow is SO GOOD.In post 116, PJ. wrote:It's not for me.
I think we might be getting at 2 seperate things.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I never got into FBZ, who is UA?
Right after Steez died, I heard from somewhere that Steez wrote most of the stuff for all the pro era guys, which i didn't really believe at the time, but i haven't liked anything from those guys since his death and Joey Bad has become a bit of a joke imo.
The worst part is both him and rocky came on the scene at the same time and they are both kinda lame now.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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It was just something I heard a couple weeks after Steez' death, that I didn't necessarily believe at the time. But Steez dying coincided with a sharp decline in skill for Joey Bad and everyone in pro era really, so I started to buy in. I don't know where the person who told me got their source.In post 135, Zachstralkita wrote:
On what basis do you say Steez ghostwrote for Joey? Like actual credible stuff.Panzerjager wrote:yeah 99 was really good, but like I said, i think Steez wrote most of it.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Illmatic > Stillmatic > Life is Good > everything else is mediocre.
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What's her competition? It's like when USA wins gold in women's basketball, is it an accomplishment there is only 1 serious contender from the outset?In post 142, Bins wrote:
nah man nicki is QUEENIn post 132, PJ. wrote:I only have rude things to say, so I'll just stick with "yeah, you're right"Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's not what the conversation was about. It was about her being the queen of hip hop, and my response is "who cares about a 1 horse race?"In post 147, Bins wrote:like why does it matter I enjoy her rap lolSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I don't dislike Nicki, but I think there are a few things that can detract from her, purely from a hip hop stand point. She's kinda not really a rapper. She's a pop star. Take her 3 biggest hits for example(Anaconda, Bang Bang, Super Bass). 2 of those are not rap songs. Also, in 2 of those, she isn't even the biggest draw to the song. And 1 of them is absolutely atrocious(the only one I would consider an actual rap song).
Honestly, I can get down to some of her stuff, but it's what I'd consider undeniably good to where i'd be shocked if someone didn't like her.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 174, Elbirn wrote:Hi hello yes I don't belong here, I like the musics but I'm not super into this rap thing that you speak of but hey you guys should listen tooooo
Milo
Open Mike Eagle
Serengeti
Death Grips
But you probably already knew that, okay bye
I liked milo first mixtape but I hate him cause my MC name would def be milo. I liked the firstthreetwo albums and the first mixtape from death grips then I just stopped listening. I think I like serengetiSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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That's how I feel about Action BronsonIn post 183, Bins wrote:idk I've never seen an rap album w lyrics that related so much to meSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 190, The Bulge wrote:Paraphrasing from a reddit comment I saw "this is exactly the album I would make too if I were fucking Ariana Grande"
Basically this yeah.
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I feel like that list is real hit or miss. Some of that stuff is played out, some is just bad, but yeah there are a lot of certifiably classics that are impossible to play out and some old gems that never got respect.In post 206, Killthestory wrote:I like Spotify's playlist Gold School. It's got a lot of good songs in there.
If I listen to rap on spotify, I mostly listen to Rap Caviar(to catch up on new bangers) or Like Allen-I(if i'm feeling in a poppy mood).Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Xxx is one of my favorite rap albums of all time. 2011 was one of my favorite years for rap, honestly. Pl3dge, xxx, the one, take care, throne, relax, black up, goblin, return of 4eva, section.80, instrumentals, covert coup. It was a crazy strong year. Honestly rap isn't as good as it was 5 years ago. It doesnt cover as much ground. Like last year released 2 albums that critics would call essential, but they told a similar story. Everything else was bangers, but only one of those albums was really necessary. Only shit I listen to regularly from last year is fetty, push, and eat pray thug.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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This is an objectively false statement.In post 312, Zulfy wrote:DAMN. sounds like what untitled unmastered would have been if it had been titiled and mastered
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Idk why everyone is freaking out about Damn. when Back to Basics just dropped. Rich Homie back.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Yeah, that shit happened like 2 miles from the bar we were at last night. Shit's wild.
edit: Actually, were at the carnitas taco shack like a quarter mile from there watching the end of game 3/possibly in transit to the bar 2 miles away when the big brawl/riot deal happened judging by the time in some news articles. Shit is extra wild. Happy we didn't get caught up in it. And people ask why i never go outside.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 393, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why? His rap voice can be very off-putting and his content isn't for everybody.In post 391, PJ. wrote:I'm always shocked when someone doesn't like chance.
His stuff is tremendously positive and he's a big time philanthropist, donating millions to public schools and shit.
Like I can understand being like "I don't really listen to Chance" but, I mean like...disliking the guy is impossible.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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In post 400, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:'09 '10 and '11 was the glory days
truthIn post 421, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Beautiful Thugger Girls is life changing y'all.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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For chilling, I mostly just stick to the AF1 lows. Easy to find on the cheap and as long you don't take them hiking or some dumb shit, you're never gonna fuck the cushion up in it. I also got a pair of foamposite ones from like 2 years ago cause they are alien technology and never get thrashed.
For indoor ball, I got a pair of BrandBlack J Crossover 2 and last year's Super Flys. Think about ordering the Force Vectors cause they half off.
Outdoor, I still got traction on the Kobe Mentality's from like 2 years ago. They are hella comfy and they great when you never jump.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Honestly. The foamposites are expensive af, but they are for real scuff proof. Which is huge if you are familiar with the flyknit shoes and w/e the fuck adidas calls their knit. Like the kobe 9s were straight up liable to be split open if someone scuffed you (happened to me).
Leather is fine but it gets the scuff marks. Posite is dream, but breaking them in is bleh. Also the ventilation is...not there.
That's literally like the only two good things about flyknit. Forms to your foot immediately and mad ventilation. Like not even wearing shoes.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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