Star Wars (Spoilers)

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I had two main problems with the movie.
1: The plot line which wasn't Kylo Ren and Luke was totally pointless. If the admiral had just told Poe the plan, or possibly even "trust me, I have a plan", the entire thing would have been averted. And she didn't even need to tell him in the beginning, she could have told him that when he mutinied and he would have been like "oh okay sorry". The entire thing was pointless, just an arbitrary way of keeping the characters busy.
2: All characters involved in the Kylo Ren and Luke plot outside of Kylie Ren and Luke seemed to exist solely to enable it, with no independent existence other than enabling those two. For example, Snoke was effectively just some random dude whose sole purpose was to be murdered by Ren. He had no relation to any other characters, he had no backstory, he was just some random dude who was force sensitive and evil. Rey was a bit better because she was a real character from TFA, but in this she seemed mostly just there to enable Ren and Luke. She kind of had characterization in the whole wanting her parents thing, but she could have been so much more.

I don't trust the reveal that Rey's parents weren't related to main characters, but if it's real I'm glad.

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The heroic sacrifice part made no sense. If lightspeeded mass is capable of doing that much damage, why not make unmanned missiles which are just large masses attached to something which accelerates them to lightspeed? Every movie large numbers of lightspeed capable ships get destroyed, so lightspeed engines can't be that rare. Even without those, in their situation, why was the lightspeed attack a last ditch thing rather than their opening move? They had lots of large lightspeed capable ships which eventually ran out of fuel and were destroyed. Their plan was for almost all of them to be destroyed. Why not just skip the 18 hours of running away, evacuate almost everyone from one ship onto another, and then ram that ship at the enemy? People were already making heroic sacrifices to be the last one on board a ship before it was caught and killed, this plan doesn't send anyone to their deaths who weren't already going to their deaths.

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Get Out > Disaster Artist > The Last Jedi


And there are 2 major problems with people complaining about the Holdo Maneuver.

1) They presuppose that if a military tactic has been completed successfully, everyone must have always known that was always a possibility in all the times previous and LOLYDIDNTTHEYDOTHATEARLIER, which is, you know, not how anything works in the history of human anything ever. Why didn't Mozart rip wicked ass guitar solos with whammy pedals and sick LFO drops on the harp?

"Hit them with a piece of mass which goes fast" is pretty much the oldest idea behind weapons in existence. Lightspeed ramming seemed impossible to the viewer because lightspeed required "hyperspace", and maybe you can't hit things there. But apparently you can and normal lightspeed travel requires lots of calculations to ensure you don't hit anything, because of how bad it would be if you hit something. Given that knowledge, weaponising hitting things is the obvious next step.

2) It's not an effective technique moving forward, at the very least not for the Rebels. Hyperdrives are expensive, and they're basically out of ships. It can be argued that the First Order could pull off these tricks but you still need right time and setting; the destroyer that Holdo crashed into was busy shooting at the escaping vessels instead of moving. So you need a very large object to crash into another very large object while the second object is also very distracted and thus unable to maneuver out of the path of destruction.

It won't be a valid tactic assuming there are no space battles in which the resistance sends a bunch of small ships against one or more massive ships. But they're probably going to have those.

This doesn't really change much of anything moving forward irt space battles. Go complain about other things that are ridiculously more... ridiculous. Like gravity in space.

They have different laws of physics, that's fine. They have gravity in space, their spaceships use weird almost Aristotelian physics, their asteroid fields couldn't exist for very long in our physics, and nobody's using FTL to break causality. They're allowed to have different laws of physics, they just need to have people's actions make sense within those new laws.

Or dead people flying in the vacuum of space and oh she's also alive and also now in a coma because all of that adds up god I fucking hate that scene.

People can survive in space for a few minutes, they'll just end up very sick afterwards. Flying seems completely within reason using the force.

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let's just say releasing the bombs exerted a slight downward motion to them, making them travel "down." Perhaps each has a springed lever that when the restraining device is removed, pushes it. And pushing it in space does not meet air resistance, so it just keeps moving in the same direction. Presumably bombers designed like that would have SOME mechanism for getting the bombs to travel out of the ship unless you think the bombardier manually grabs one and chucks it down normally.

This was like... the least concerning thing about the movies, which have always taken a pretty loose interpretation of the effects of space. For example, we sure hear a lot of noises from space battles!

There's actually an in-universe explanation for that, all sound is simulated by spaceships. Something about how being able to hear things makes people more effective at spaceship combat, and it's a good way of telling people what's going on behind them in a way that they understand.

Who the fuck is going to kamikaze a death star

Anyone who would be willing to attempt to kill the death star without kamikaze. Almost all of them died, and they knew going in that almost all of them would die. If they're afraid of the fact that it's guaranteed this way, get 10 of them to go on the mission and then sabotage the hyperdrives of 9 of them (Make it known that this is the case). Each individual will probably live, and has much better odds than the non lightspeed ramming version.

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Rogue One was my favorite Star Wars movie.

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i think there are two star wars fans

1) people that care about writing, continuity, world building, epic storylines
2) people that wanna see psychic space samurai fuck up bad guys

i'm more in the 1st camp and i didn't like it at all. it looks better, but its story is worse than revenge of the sith

at least the force awakens wasn't bad even though it was mostly boring. tlj is just bad in so many ways but #2s in the fanbase don't care

i like rogue one when i treat it as an offshoot and not part of the 'star wars saga' but it does fill in some gaps. it's like if they made a roberts rebellion movie/tv show from game of thrones. important, but at the same time unimportant

If you want 1 why are you watching Star Wars? The movies have never had good writing/continuity/worldbuilding/whatever. Other than maybe 5.

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This guy was just uninteresting and over the top evil. Didn't feel all that interested in learning his story.

I'd call that more a con than a pro. I agree that his death scene was a good scene, but they could have made the person who died in that scene be an actual character rather than just some random evil force sensitive dude.

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It's totally different to rogue one. Whether or not you liked rogue one's execution, the premise made sense in advance. Stuff happened to get the data to the rebels at the beginning of a new hope, and that stuff could have made a good story. A new hope was the ending of someone else's story.

Solo doesn't. The character of Han Solo at the beginning of a new hope only works as a character at the beginning of a movie. He can't have a character arc, so it's a movie about a character who has to be completely static.

Chewbacca would make a much better movie. How did he go from commander of the Wookiee to random smuggler? He doesn't have that much characterization, which would allow the movie more freedom to do what it wanted.

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Solo doesn't. The character of Han Solo at the beginning of a new hope only works as a character at the beginning of a movie. He can't have a character arc, so it's a movie about a character who has to be completely static.

Huh?

Seriously, what are you talking about? Han Solo has a life before Mos Eisley Cantina. Even discounting what is hinted in the

prequels

Lucas remixes, that's like saying Obi-Wan has to be static.

That's completely different. Obi-wan was the wise mentor, there are plenty of good character arcs which end with a character in position to be the wise mentor. Solo started off as just a standard jerk, there's not many ways to end like that, and none that would fit with Han Solo.

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I had just assumed that the "Rey's parents were nobodies" was the Disney bubblegum toeline of "HEY KIDS, U CAN B ANYTHING YOU WANT!"

That role is already being filled by Snoke.

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He was the leader of the first order. And he was just some random dude who conquered the galaxy.