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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:02 pm

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17 is clearly not correct.

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:11 pm

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jeep wrote:17 is clearly not correct.

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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:29 pm

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No, he wanted to know something... I'm just not sure what. He knows I play many games.

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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:11 pm

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the question was crazy to begin with.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:58 pm

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When someone asks me how many games I own, I look for things that the gaming equipment's name is related to the game itself. For example, if you own "Clue," That's one game, because Clue is the name of the thing that you buy, and the name of the game. However, card is just equipment to play games, not a game. It doesn't count, not even as one. Conbinations don't count either. If you do, you are just making things too complicated (same reason as to why cards don't count). It's complicated, yes, but if you are asked, then just use your perception of what he meant to answer the question.
how do you define a sport.
The following conditions must be met:
1. Two and only two sides competing against each other in each match.
2. Must require a minimum physical movement. A good guideline would be if you are swaeating when you are done, it's a sport, given that it meets the other condidions.
3. There must be a score for each side which changes each time an event happens. For example, each time the puck crosses the goal line in ice hockey, it's a goal, which increases the scoring team's score by 1.
There are probably more, and these might be flawed... inform me if so.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:24 pm

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you don't own those games, but only have access to the. Sort of like how you have access to every book in a library but don't own any of them.
I would consider paying something, taking it home and keeping it forever, owning.

With the internet, you don't own the games on those sites people chose to let you access them for free. Many sites you have to pay to play. And having i contract with an ISP doesn't mean that you own anything. You are renting access, like in a library you might have to pay to be a member but the rest is free unless you want to buy a book off them.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:43 pm

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Stewie wrote:When someone asks me how many games I own, I look for things that the gaming equipment's name is related to the game itself. For example, if you own "Clue," That's one game, because Clue is the name of the thing that you buy, and the name of the game. However, card is just equipment to play games, not a game. It doesn't count, not even as one. Conbinations don't count either. If you do, you are just making things too complicated (same reason as to why cards don't count). It's complicated, yes, but if you are asked, then just use your perception of what he meant to answer the question.
how do you define a sport.
The following conditions must be met:
1. Two and only two sides competing against each other in each match.
2. Must require a minimum physical movement. A good guideline would be if you are swaeating when you are done, it's a sport, given that it meets the other condidions.
3. There must be a score for each side which changes each time an event happens. For example, each time the puck crosses the goal line in ice hockey, it's a goal, which increases the scoring team's score by 1.
There are probably more, and these might be flawed... inform me if so.
So track&Field events wouldnt be defined as sports. Do running/swimming/gymnastics/ most olympic events count as sports? An honest question..

As far as cards. I consider Spades as a game, but.. I would never refer to it as a game I own. I would list 'Playing Cards' as a single entry if somebody asked me for a list of what games I have, although I agree that it is equipment rather than a game. Kind of a silly question to ask - but I would think your friend was looking for a ballpark figure based on commerical game sets/ game equipments.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:13 am

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If you have a computer game, just the disk and instructions, is it a game if you don't have a computer (or relevant platform) and is the platform on by its self a game, part of a game or not a game at all.

Do you have to own a compute rand a computer game disk for you to be able to call it a game.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:19 am

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2. Must require a minimum physical movement. A good guideline would be if you are swaeating when you are done, it's a sport, given that it meets the other condidions.
3. There must be a score for each side which changes each time an event happens. For example, each time the puck crosses the goal line in ice hockey, it's a goal, which increases the scoring team's score by 1.
There are probably more, and these might be flawed... inform me if so.
Chess?
THey have international federations, lots of money, tournaments...
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:44 am

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And if you think really hard, you could sweat at the end. :D
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:31 am

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Defining sports...
Stewie wrote: The following conditions must be met:
1. Two and only two sides competing against each other in each match.
2. Must require a minimum physical movement. A good guideline would be if you are swaeating when you are done, it's a sport, given that it meets the other condidions.
3. There must be a score for each side which changes each time an event happens. For example, each time the puck crosses the goal line in ice hockey, it's a goal, which increases the scoring team's score by 1.
There are probably more, and these might be flawed... inform me if so.
Now if you counted orgasms as points you could easily turn sex into a sport if it weren't for that pesky "two AND ONLY TWO" clause...

I discussed this whole topic with jeep after he directed me to this post...really the question is not about games at all but the ridiculous (American?) idea of ownership. It would have been like asking a Native American how much land he owns...

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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:47 am

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So track&Field events wouldnt be defined as sports. Do running/swimming/gymnastics/ most olympic events count as sports? An honest question..
Not under my definition. They are a good test to see who is the best at something physical, but I wouldn't say they are sports... more like "events."
Chess?
There's no scoring system in chess in which you can tell midgame who is winnning, and I haven't seen many people sweating while playing chess, unless the heat was on too high. :)
Now if you counted orgasms as points you could easily turn sex into a sport if it weren't for that pesky "two AND ONLY TWO" clause...
Well, that's not where the flaw is... you could turn it into a sport that way because you can have just two teams competing against each other, with unlimited numbers of players in each side. However, how would you cound orgazms? I heard woman are really good at faking them, so it would be hard to keep an accurate score.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:32 pm

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Well, the question was definitely ill-defined, I agree. But you could have come up with a close approximation to the answer he was looking for by answer the number of boxes you have in your game closet. Even then there are certainly ambiguities, but if you picked one way or another, you'd get pretty close to the number he was looking for, even if he didn't know how to accurately describe what he was looking for.

Incidentally:
Stewie wrote:There's no scoring system in chess in which you can tell midgame who is winnning
This is only mildly accurate. First of all, there is certainly a theoretical one. Second of all, the software for the most advanced chess programs have a very accurate one of these programmed in. A first approximation of this is the typical "point values" for the pieces, but the algorithm gets significantly more intricate.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:18 pm

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:P This thread gives me an idea for my philosophy assignment...'What is a game?'
Phoebus wrote: Chess?
THey have international federations, lots of money, tournaments...
I'd say that Bridge, Magic: The Gathering, and math competitions might fall under that category. I'm a mathlete, but not an athlete.
Sketchwick wrote:I discussed this whole topic with jeep after he directed me to this post...really the question is not about games at all but the ridiculous (American?) idea of ownership. It would have been like asking a Native American how much land he owns...
Not entirely American. It's most of the world under European influence. I think. Please don't yell at me if I'm wrong.

If Basketball had three teams instead of two, would that suddenly make it not a sport just because it's played on a triangle?
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:29 am

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STD, were you in MathCounts?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:37 am

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No...I joined the math team because my friends did it, and we mostly do state competitions. I'm the (insert athlete who sits on the bench except for one game because they suck) of mathletes.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:45 am

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Oh. I'm the youngest kid who does better than everyone else except the seniors.

Our recruitment stuff sucks. I can't imagine how horrible my team will be next year. And I can't even imagine what it'll be like when I'm a senior. We've got no freshman and the majority of the team are juniors and seniors.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:15 am

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Then there's the Crawfordian definition: Any form of entertainment which is open-ended, goal oriented, and which has perceived interactivity (paraphrased). Therefore a challenge/puzzle lacks perceived interactivity and a toy lacks goal-orientedness. That leaves sports squarely in the realm of challenges, puzzles, and games, of a decidedly physical nature. If our entertainment lacks open-endedness it can be any number of things, none of which really relate to this discussion.

Generally when people ask me questions that I feel are ridiculous, I give an equally ridiculous answer. For instance, in JEEP's situation, I probably would give an estimate in cubic feet. This usually ends up being nearer the mark for my interegator than it would be for me.

I tend to think that nobody "owns" games. Games are just rituals that have high memetic fitness. You might as well say you own a holiday. On the other hand there is ownership of equipment, or sometimes the rights to the equipment for a game. Mmm...hairsplitting.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:15 am

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People frequently get annoyed with me when I'm too literal, this conversation jeep posted reminded me of that. I wanted to look at from a point of view other than my own, so I reviewed the convesation again, and I came up witha conclusion...
MeMe wrote:Wow - I think you should consider yourself lucky that he didn't punch you in the face.
jeep wrote:?? Why? I was just trying to get enough information to answer the question.

We get along well, I just wanted to figure out what he wanted.

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I disagree. I think right when you said you wanted to scream, jeep, that you lost track of what he wanted and turned the conversation into "what is a game."

*I* certainly can't blame you for this, I think "what is a game" is a lot more interesting than "how many games does jeep own" but I don't think you can claim to have the original question as your priority throughout the conversation. Does that warrant a punch in the face? Maybe from MeMe...

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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:24 am

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Oh I forgot to address this...
Stewie wrote: Well, that's not where the flaw is... you could turn it into a sport that way because you can have just two teams competing against each other, with unlimited numbers of players in each side. However, how would you cound orgazms? I heard woman are really good at faking them, so it would be hard to keep an accurate score.
I belive Kinsey used (for his research) equipment to monitor orgasms in men and women. This is a purely biological definition of orgasm, basically defined as an involuntary contraction of muscles, and YES men CAN have an orgasm without ejaculating.

I guess my mind just rejected the idea of two people competing against the third in a threesome, but it certainly could work. So there you have it, the sport of sex.

And for those of you that were unlcear: you score a point when THE OTHER PERSON has an orgasm, not you.

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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:10 am

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Hmm, you managed to annoy him and twist the intentions of his question in such a way as to completely waste his time and yours in a nonmalicious and incredibly unaware way.

That is quite interesting.

Imagine a conversation like this,

Jeep: Are you scum?
IS: Yes, however I am also a doctor, a cop, 3 townies, a married man, a liar, an egotist, a cult leader and annoyed at you, what else would you want to know?
Jeep: Are you scum in THIS game,
IS: Which game are you refering to? The thread in which we are talking, or the mindgame I'm having with you, or that shogi game we're playing in the Mish Mash thread?
Jeep: Mini#7482 are you scum?
IS: Depends how you define the word "scum"
Jeep: a member of a secret group of people who kill at night in Mini#7482
IS: Well inherently there's a flaw in your question, if I were to tell you that I am scum, I would not be secret would I? It's like me making the statement that I'm a liar, you won't force me into a contradiction so easily old man!
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IS: Good heavens no! I spend my nights drinking coffee and making sure that poor innocent babies won't go to waste, I sautee them with a special sauce.
Jeep: I'm talking about night in this game, the PHASe night.
IS: which game are we talking about again?

Such a conversation would doubtlessly end with Jeep driving over to IS's house and stabbing IS with a incredibly scary looking knife in an uncomfortably looking way.

It seems to your poor coworker that you knew the intent of his question all along because the intent of his question seemed very simple to him(otherwise he would not have posed it in such a manner), then your constant dodging and clarification seemed to him to have the intention of pointlessly hassling him, as if you enjoyed playing around with his question and chewing him up. Basically it seemed to him probably that you were messing around with him for no reason.

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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:02 am

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yeah, I definitely read that as "I'm a jerk and being overly smart about answering the question", mostly because my friends and I do that to each other a lot.

and Halo, do you own a deck of cards? :wink:
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:42 am

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Pooky, do you play on OKBRidge? Or did you just mean Yahoo! games or something?

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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:49 am

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MOS yes i do several in fact, why?
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:48 am

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usually I play on BridgeBase, which has a GREAT imp system and some solid competition though its occasional run of nuts.

Unfortunately it's freeware that's windows only :(

I can play on another thingamabob as long as it's free :) When ya free Cam?(Does the wife play?)
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