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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:33 am

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... TE=DEFAULT

This is so cool. I know they haven't claimed final results yet and are scrutinizing their reports but holy fuck... this gave me chills. A foundational pillar of physics could just be ripped apart by this. Amazing.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:44 am

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We were just talking bout this on scumchat and now they're talking about who would or would not go into space and if teleporting would be safer or something.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:46 am

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This is absolutely amazing and I can't wait to get it even more confirmed. Physics will undergo big changes.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:48 am

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Sounds awesome in a way that I am unable to comprehend. As a committed sci-fi geek, things going faster than light seems commonsense.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:55 am

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This is...fairly freaky.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:00 pm

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Looks like people are getting over-excited before its been confirmed conclusively.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:45 pm

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I always find it amazing how when something new is discovered when it comes to science, people are shocked.

The point of science is to prove itself wrong.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:00 pm

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In post 5, Porochaz wrote:Looks like people are getting over-excited before its been confirmed conclusively.

its actually the second experiment to get such a result. This one just had a better margin of error
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:02 pm

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just when i ggt interested in quatum and special relativity and start reading books on it (try the elegant universe by Brain Greene) everything I know becomes wrong...

sigh...

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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:07 pm

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In post 6, hasdgfas wrote:I always find it amazing how when something new is discovered when it comes to science, people are shocked.

The point of science is to prove itself wrong.
The point of the Olympics is to showcase humanity's triumphs of excertion and peak athleticism. To prove themselves ever greater than those that came before them.
And yet, when a world record is achieved, it's a big deal.

Anyways, this is awesome.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:08 pm

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just stick with biology. Everything is proven wrong on a daily basis
physics you have to wait decades
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:27 pm

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Wormholes, time travel, teleportation...

This is amazing
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:39 pm

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does heisenberg's uncertainty principle not help explain this? that's what i heard
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:30 pm

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I would totally go to space if i got the opportunity btw.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:32 pm

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In post 12, Alabaska J wrote:does heisenberg's uncertainty principle not help explain this? that's what i heard

it seems that if their set up had a way to measure light speed it would be the right control experiment
haven't read about the actual research I just know they were shooting neutrinos hundred of miles across Europe and measuring there arrival with 10 nanosecond precision. Which mindboggling to me
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:06 am

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yeah, the goal of science is to prove itself wrong, but I didn't expect to be still alive when special relativity risked to be falsified. Also: the technological environment of this experiments seems really impressive.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:35 am

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Awesome, now I actually have a good reason to drink for : D .
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:49 am

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In post 7, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 5, Porochaz wrote:Looks like people are getting over-excited before its been confirmed conclusively.

its actually the second experiment to get such a result. This one just had a better margin of error


That being said, I'd still give something like 20 to 1 odds that this turns out to not, in fact, be an actual example of something traveling FTL. Especially since neutrinos actually have mass.

It would be awesome if true, of course.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:14 am

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Physicist Michael Brooks on CERN scientists' neutrino discovery: It's quite possible they took a shortcut through a wormhole.

what in the actual fuck
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:54 am

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mmh... this is not gonna be settled soon, I am afraid.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:19 pm

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In post 18, xRECKONERx wrote:Physicist Michael Brooks on CERN scientists' neutrino discovery: It's quite possible they took a shortcut through a wormhole.

what in the actual fuck


Well, that actually makes more sense then "relativity is wrong lol".

lewarcher82 wrote:mmh... this is not gonna be settled soon, I am afraid.


There's really two ways it could go. If the results of the experiment are replicated, which should happen within the next few years, then it will change theoretical physcis. If, more likely, they're not replicated, then it was probably some kind of experimental error and everyone will forget about it as fast as they did "cold fusion".
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:03 pm

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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:04 pm

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If this were tachyons, that would make way more sense. Tachyons are at least theoretically possible.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:29 pm

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Yeah, I'd give wormholes about 100 times the odds of FTL neutrinos, and measurement error about 500 times the chance of wormholes. We've
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:01 pm

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1. The statement of restrained relativity "Nothing travels faster than light" is false. The true statement is "No information travels faster than light".

2. In OPERA, Neutrinos have been measured to travel 7km/s faster than light, the significance is high enough for that fact to be considered as plausible.

3. Neutrinos have been considered as mass-less for a long time, but the flavor oscillation is impossible without mass.

4. Thus Neutrinos have more or less traveled faster than light.

Possible explanations directly from my professors : mass-less state, interaction with particles created due to the Heisenberg equation, unknown constraint of the relativity theory on a neutrino, and another hundred things I can't understand.

Honestly it's not as sexy as it may sounds for you. It won't change physics, at most it will reveal a particular case of a certain theory.

If you want to know more, you may look into Quantum Field Theory, Quantum Chromodynamics but it's highly mathematical and less than 5,000 people on earth can understand what it is really about (and I am not one of them)
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