it's almost like large amounts of the disagreement here is coming from cultural experiences of christmas being different in different countries causing people's attitudes to them to be different
In post 1646, hiplop wrote:Mina you're making excellent points. Christian-raised non-religious folks often forget how much a Christian upbringing changes their view of "culture". Plenty of people I know don't celebrate Christmas and it's annoyingly patronizing to insist that they are the problem.
Basically this.
The US is a super Protestant country, even in places that are not very religious, because so much of our core cultural values are rooted in Protestantism that you can't really escape it.
In post 1619, Davsto wrote:I think it's celebrated a bit more non-secularly here
I think you messed up your definitions here davman
hiplop wrote:Ani your post was pretty unnecessarily hostile
Mina you're making excellent points. Christian-raised non-religious folks often forget how much a Christian upbringing changes their view of "culture". Plenty of people I know don't celebrate Christmas and it's annoyingly patronizing to insist that they are the problem.
not christian, just western. I know I wasn't raised christian but we always put up a tree and stuff
Is it just me or does church service get more and more bafflingly bizarre the longer you stay away from it?
This last Christmas Eve was the first time I've been to church in several years and I was dumbstruck by just about everything. It's so foreign to me now. And
the shit
they assert as beliefs
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I'm not Christian but I celebrate Christmas. Can't I just like presents?
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In post 1658, Majiffy wrote:Is it just me or does church service get more and more bafflingly bizarre the longer you stay away from it?
This last Christmas Eve was the first time I've been to church in several years and I was dumbstruck by just about everything. It's so foreign to me now. And
the shit
they assert as beliefs
depends on the church you go to, tbh
I really enjoy something like 25% of the services I go to
In post 1658, Majiffy wrote:Is it just me or does church service get more and more bafflingly bizarre the longer you stay away from it?
This last Christmas Eve was the first time I've been to church in several years and I was dumbstruck by just about everything. It's so foreign to me now. And
the shit
they assert as beliefs
What was the sermon about?
Some priests have like the weirdest interpretations
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In post 1662, Kublai Khan wrote:Nowadays, from a legal standpoint, a church doesn't need to be involved at a wedding at all.
Well yeah. From my uneducated point of view marriage just seems like a legal thing to get a tax break. Traditionally marriage was more of a spiritual thing and some still do it like that. I think if you go to a wedding in a church its going to be at least a little spiritual.
The funny thing is that marriage was a pagan ritual. Celtic I believe.
^
something I heard/read. Dunno if its true or not.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
There are tons of people that see marriage are a spiritual/religious binding of one's soul to each other/by the power of God. But I guess we should all ignore them 'cause you don't see it the way. :/
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
There are tons of people that see marriage are a spiritual/religious binding of one's soul to each other/by the power of God. But I guess we should all ignore them 'cause you don't see it the way. :/
Do you not see the hypocrisy in this comment
You saying they are a religious thing is dismissiv of all people that it isn't?
Some priests have like the weirdest interpretations
It was several people because they had people talk about what Christmas meant to them. Not bad, just... The Bible excerpts? The shitty Bach-era composition for hymns? Fuck all that, yo.
There was a Mendohlsson (sp) song, though. Props to him, he at least made the era interesting.
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You saying they are a religious thing is dismissiv of all people that it isn't?
I am?
I don't think I am.
I'm saying that I think that you are being dismissive of people that see marriage as a spiritual/religious thing.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
khan was saying that he gets annoyed whenever jesus is mentioned at a wedding. nero said that weddings are religious. he's clearly just saying that some people see it that way, and khan shouldn't be surprised or annoyed.
weddings are rooted in religion, and have been incorporated into law.
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