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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:28 pm

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When I compiled a top 10 list it was based on all the elements of actual rapping rather than body of work.
It's basically "quality over quantity". I feel like if Big L was still alive he'd be as big as Nas/Eminem/Jay-Z.
Throwback to when Big L and Jay-Z had that 7 minute freestyles - Jay-Z was really good but L was just on a whole higher level (you can argue that Jay-Z rapped off the dome and L prepared a few verses but the point still stands).

Weezy, The Game, Kanye West, J Cole, Kendrick Lamar and Kid Cudi are all some of the best of this era.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:36 pm

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A Body of Work argument isn't "quantity over quality" it's "quantity of quality over less quantity of quality". Like I said, Hov has more top 3 or 5 albums of w/e year he released one in then anyone that we have discussed so far. The amount of quality and the ability to put sustained efforts together is astonishing and honestly unlike anything I've seen before or since. The only guy who can boast 6 albums that dominated their respective years like Hov did is Ye and he took almost twice as long.

And yeah, the problem with a lot of freestyle is not much of it is actually off the top. One of my favorite freestyles that seems off the dome is Gambino on hot 97.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:50 pm

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I know what you mean but you can't compare body of work between someone living to the age of 45 and someone that died at age 24.

Aforementioned the rap game has changed dramatically from the gangster rap era and rapping will keep constantly changing as time progresses. The rise of the internet has widely affected rap and society has changed. There's now even an Underground VS the Mainstream. There are more female rappers since the days of Missy Elliott to nowadays Nicki Minaj. etc
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:07 pm

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I don't care if you die. You ain't the goat if you only got a handful of hot tracks and never put together a year smashing album. Only short term guy that gets the nod is Big for that Bill Walton esque short term dominence.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:24 pm

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That's like saying someone who has won more mafia games on this site whilst having played much more is definitely better than someone who has won less but also played less. It's just incomparable.

But in those terms I'd say the top are: Eminem, Nas, Jay Z, Rakim, Andre 3000, Kendrick, Weezy
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:44 pm

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In sports, you don't get in the Hall of Fame for only 1 or 2 good years. You have to have sustained greatness. I think that translates well to any field. In order to be a goat, you to have to be able to be great for a long period of time. That's the Kendrick argument, right? Otherwise he'd be very near the GOAT or the actual GOAT. But it's only 3 albums over 4 years. I think Kendrick is undeniable if you aren't judging from a standpoint of body or work. He's released 2 classics (one of which has become a de facto anthem of the new civil rights movement/black lives matter) and another very good album, and has all the skills on the mic and I think over the course of the last year he's become one of the most important rappers of all time, but it's only 4 years and 3 albums.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:59 pm

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I guess when you're talking about being the G.O.A.T to an extent yes what you're saying is right.
Kendrick - I agree with what you're saying about him why is why I included him on that list there. As the youngest on the most recent list I gave, I do think he has the potential to become the GOAT in the future years to come.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:08 am

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I was sayin by your parameters, there is no reason that he was in your honorable mentions in your list post. The only reason to keep him off is a longevity argument. He's already infinitely more important to hip hop history than a third of the guys on your list and potentially American History. He has all the skills you mentioned in spades. Why would he be off and L be on? Doesn't make sense. IMO only justification L was on your list (esp at 1) is hipster cred garbage.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:01 am

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In post 100, Deductive wrote:When I compiled a top 10 list it was based on all the elements of actual rapping rather than body of work.
It's basically "quality over quantity". I feel like if Big L was still alive he'd be as big as Nas/Eminem/Jay-Z.
Throwback to when Big L and Jay-Z had that 7 minute freestyles - Jay-Z was really good but L was just on a whole higher level (you can argue that Jay-Z rapped off the dome and L prepared a few verses but the point still stands).

Weezy, The Game, Kanye West, J Cole, Kendrick Lamar and Kid Cudi are all some of the best of this era.
Strike Cudi, hes a meme who could have been good but hasn't put anything out worth remembering in years
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:24 am

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I don't like game either, tbh. But yeah Cudi is a joke. That one album was dope tho
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:26 am

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fuck outta here bih cudi not good now but a kid named cudi and motm 1 +2 are incredible
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:17 am

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Terribly underrated album with both an interesting, dark narrative and terrific, almost spatial beats to match. It's gotten me through a lot of my more critical periods of introspection, jumping in and out of my catalogue over the years.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:28 pm

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Motm 1 was good. Everything else was wack.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:35 pm

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Panzerjager wrote:Motm 1 was good. Everything else was wack.
You didn't like A Kid Named Cudi?

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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:08 pm

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In post 99, PJ. wrote:Couldn't get into it.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just requires a certain kind of taste, y'know?

Anyway, I've been getting into old cudi shit. Also, listened to Nostalgic 64, and it was great.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:11 pm

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King Los is also the greatest freestyler I've ever seen. It's what got me into his music. I mean, Sway was throwing out words, and his flow was just undeniable. Check him out if you like good freestyle.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:07 pm

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In post 114, Killthestory wrote:
In post 99, PJ. wrote:Couldn't get into it.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it just requires a certain kind of taste, y'know?

Anyway, I've been getting into old cudi shit. Also, listened to Nostalgic 64, and it was great.

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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:38 am

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Probably a better wording.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:41 am

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In post 116, PJ. wrote:It's not for me.
Holy shit I feel like this about Chance's Coloring Books. Which is a shame cause the flow is SO GOOD.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:05 pm

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In post 118, Oman wrote:
In post 116, PJ. wrote:It's not for me.
Holy shit I feel like this about Chance's Coloring Books. Which is a shame cause the flow is SO GOOD.

I think we might be getting at 2 seperate things.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:06 pm

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Coloring Books is pretty g with it not gonna lie. I like Angels.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:34 pm

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It's good. Great even. I was surprised that it's been on the radio lately
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:55 pm

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I also never mentioned Flatbush Zombies but that's a given. FBZ, UA, and Steez. If you sleep to any one of these you sleep forever.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:42 pm

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I never got into FBZ, who is UA?

Right after Steez died, I heard from somewhere that Steez wrote most of the stuff for all the pro era guys, which i didn't really believe at the time, but i haven't liked anything from those guys since his death and Joey Bad has become a bit of a joke imo.

The worst part is both him and rocky came on the scene at the same time and they are both kinda lame now.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:33 pm

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Just been listening to UA for the past couple days, can't believe I was sleeping on them. I've been listening to FBZ for just a couple months now
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