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Post Post #19200  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:07 pm

I will say that Republicans are a) not great at public relations and b) Republicanism is more popular in less populated areas than more populated areas. Doesn't mean liberalism is better.

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Post Post #19201  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:15 pm

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that republicans think that republicans are awful at messaging (pr as you called it) and that democrats are good at it
and democrats think that democrats are awful at messaging and that republicans are good at it.

Both sides are deeply disappointed in themselves =P
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Post Post #19202  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:15 pm

theyre actually quite good at public relations given how incredibly unpopular most of their positions are

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Post Post #19203  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:16 pm

In post 19203, shaft.ed wrote:theyre actually quite good at public relations given how incredibly unpopular most of their positions are

case in point
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Post Post #19204  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:24 pm

so youre saying Republicans dont perform above the popularity of their platform?

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Post Post #19205  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:30 pm

No, I was speaking purely about perceptions.
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Post Post #19206  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:51 pm

In post 19201, YellowSnow wrote:I will say that Republicans are a) not great at public relations and b) Republicanism is more popular in less populated areas than more populated areas. Doesn't mean liberalism is better.


can you define what you see as republicanism and liberalism, in your own words?

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Post Post #19207  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:02 pm

Unpopular with liberal websites...

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Post Post #19208  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:08 pm

just define it, so we can discuss it

or if you like, just define 'republicanism'

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Post Post #19209  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:20 pm

In post 19208, YellowSnow wrote:Unpopular with liberal websites...

You don't have to believe that cnn or whatever website a poll is on to evaluate the poll itself and decide if it's trustworthy. Any poll worth reading has very transparent policies concerning their methods and results.

Let's take Gallup, for example. Here's a link to the first politics related poll I saw on their site. At the bottom, they discuss their methodology.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246371/ame ... ew%2520Low

And then here they have their results for the same question going back to the '70s so you can take a look over time and compare their polling numbers to past election results or w.e and decide if they have a credible track record

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246377/ame ... edium=copy

Me, I trust smart people like Nate Silver to figure out how to determine which polls are most credible, but you can do it yourself.
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Post Post #19210  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:02 pm

In post 19208, YellowSnow wrote:Unpopular with liberal websites...

nice to see people admit that conservative idealogy is pissing off the liberals

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Post Post #19211  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:18 pm

Of course because conservatism is rooted in white supremacy.

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Post Post #19212  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:21 pm

Only a few conservatives actually support white supremacy.
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Post Post #19213  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:34 pm

In post 19213, Creature wrote:Only a few conservatives actually support white supremacy.


Many ignore it because of some "bigger picture" whether that be gun rights, abortion, immigration, isolationism, etc.

They enable it by not speaking out, letting it happen, and electing people like Steve King.

Im not going to say all conservatives are racist or some bullshit like that, but many are willing to turn a blind eye for something they find more important, and I think that's dangerous.
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Post Post #19214  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:52 pm

In post 19213, Creature wrote:Only a few conservatives actually support white supremacy.

Wrong again...

A Winthrop University survey of Americans in 11 Southern states found that 29 percent of respondents said they either “agree” or “strongly agree” with the statement that “America must protect and preserve its white European heritage.” Fifty-four percent said they “disagree” or “strongly disagree.”
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Post Post #19215  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:02 pm

Were they asked what they would do to protect their culture?

EDIT: Nevermind, white European heritage really seems to refer to racism.
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Post Post #19216  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:29 pm

They must protect their white european heritage

as they laugh at europe and britain and think they are better than them, and make "world started in 1776" memes.

meaning it's not about the european heritage that they dislike, it's about the white heritage
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Post Post #19217  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:49 pm

Just surprising we have a huge ammount of white nationalists.
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Post Post #19218  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:59 pm

Yeah, mate

and the most bat-shit of them are organizing

don't join any bookclubs for "young american patriots"
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Post Post #19219  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:00 pm

I should have been clear

it's a neo-nazi recruiting tactic
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Post Post #19220  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:55 pm

In post 19208, YellowSnow wrote:Unpopular with liberal websites...


You're clearly not interested in good faith discussion.

I mean really, three out of the last five presidents were Republican? What kind of ass backwards metric is that? You don't get to choose when to stop in a sample, first of all. That is like, so damn far from how any honest argument is constructed. Second of all, I am fairly sure you are privy to the fact that of those presidents that two won without the popular vote. Third, as others mentioned, you are using historical data to try to argue the popularity of fairly, at least to the mainstream, new ideas in the US.

I absolutely refuse to believe you're interested in actually understanding another point of view, so why front? Just say you're mind isn't going to be changed and leave it at that. Don't waste people's time.

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Post Post #19221  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:56 pm

In post 19187, Creature wrote:
In post 19177, T-Bone wrote:I don't mean to be insulting...but I've yet to see a self-described "fiscal conservative" have a real grasp on how taxes and government work. It makes it really difficult to discuss economic policy with someone who describes themselves that way when they don't know how these things work.

And like, I'm not trying to make you feel bad Creature, or anyone else who wants to hold a conservative ideal. But if you want to debate policy, you really need to understand what we're talking about. Otherwise it just makes you A) look stupid and B) feel like you are getting ganged up on for being a conservative. You're not stupid, and you're not getting ganged up on for being a conservative. You're getting ganged up on because you don't understand how taxes and government work AND you are unwilling to learn!

And I, nor anyone else, want you to feel that way!

I mean, I don't need to know the exact tax system to argue why whatever the % on the rich is shouldn't be exaggerated.


But, when the tax system is explained to you, you retreat and make the same arguments about taxing the rich while you refuse to understand the very thing explained to you!
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Post Post #19222  (ISO)  » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:16 pm

I'd also like to hear about more of those unpopular leftists policies. So that we can drop them from our platform. What are they, exactly?
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Post Post #19223  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:05 am

In post 19218, Creature wrote:Just surprising we have a huge ammount of white nationalists.

not so surprising when you look at the actual history of this country

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Post Post #19224  (ISO)  » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:06 am

In post 19223, T-Bone wrote:I'd also like to hear about more of those unpopular leftists policies. So that we can drop them from our platform. What are they, exactly?

i hear taxing the rich is really unpopular with the rich
and people that don't understand taxation almost as though they had been repeatedly misinformed to hold opinions that run directly against their self-interests

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