I read your reply. The only way I can charitably interpret it is "I care more about what the party thinks irrespective of the chances for a general election." Because otherwise you'd never make a statement that dismisses the fact he loses even 18-24. Because he sure doesn't do better with any other age group. And if you can't win 18-24, you can't win 25-34, you can't win 35-44, you can't win 45-54, you can't win 55-64, and you can't win 65+ who exactly do you think is voting for you?In post 323, Davsto wrote:I mean... did you even bloody read my post? That post wasn't even close to the point you're saying I'm trying to make.In post 321, zoraster wrote:I mean, if your point is "I don't give a shit about winning elections" then okay. Fine. My point is that he's not going to be elected, so although I'd want to believe most peopleIn post 319, Davsto wrote:Nope, it's totally accurate. People are pissed that Jeremy Corbyn is an actually left-wing leader of a supposedly left-wing party, rather than just a centre leader. By distinguishing himself, he's dared to make it controversial.In post 316, zoraster wrote:In post 314, Randomnamechange wrote:Labour were irrelevant anyway. They were basically became a shit version of the Tory Party.
Unless you're a Tory, that's either an ignorant statement or oneentirelydesigned to justify a politically unsuccessful policy shift.
Great, he couldn't even win 18-24. That is, 18-24 of all voters of all parties. How is this relevant? Who gives a damn what someone who is destined to vote Tory or UKIP anyway thinks?
Really, Conservative, UKIP and Lib Dem voters think May would make a better PM than Corbyn? I could have told you that myself, it's plain damn logic.
He divides voters. So what? FDR was constantly criticised by the media and big company owners yet he won by a landslide. Good politicians are inevitably going to have haters, and ones such as Corbyn which have more "controversial" policies are going to have even more. That doesn't mean he should step down. Now, I think he should step down because him being leader is resulting in complaints in his party which is putting Labour in absolute shambles during an already politically turbulent time, but not because some voters don't like him.careabout winning and the Tories not being in power, if you don't then we don't have a quibble on this point.
This isn't, by the way, a statement about whether he wins a LABOUR LEADER election, obviously. Maybe he will. I think odds are roughly... even? Maybe even slightly in his favor. I'm arguing about whether he is a terrible choice to continue to lead the party.