Brexit

[Zulfy]

Good morning limeys.

It seems you're gonna leave the EU.

Tell us what that means for you here.

[Nexus]

It means we're fucked. The Pound is already at an all time low level.

It's been used as a political points scoring tool, and it basically all anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Scared about what is going to happen.

[Thestatusquo]

This is a momentous occasion. We just watched a little bit of the world burn.

[Thestatusquo]

The frustrating thing is unless they really plan on fucking themselves they're still going to want to be part of the market. And if they do, they're not gaining any new control over immigration.

[xRECKONERx]

The frustrating thing is unless they really plan on fucking themselves they're still going to want to be part of the market. And if they do, they're not gaining any new control over immigration.

this is the part i cannot fucking understand

[Thestatusquo]

Also I feel for Scotland, who unanimously voted to remain and gets fucked anyway.

[springlullaby]

What mystifies me is how the idea of a referendum was pitched to Cameron in the first place.

Historically, when asked its opinion in direct votes, the general public across Europe had already shown to be at best lukewarm about the whole idea of increasing European integration.
France, and the Netherlands both said no to the European Constitution, and that was back in 2005, well before the debt-crisis. AND a time when nationalist parties with anti-european discourse were still marginalized for their dubious nazi/fascist flavoring, and not being considered as legit, mainstream, even respectable political forces as there are now.

It was already clear back then that, if media/intellectuals/'elite' were in love with Europe and its vast (economic) prospects, the general populace of richer countries didn't like the idea of sharing reality with poorer ones.

[Shiro]

Also I feel for Scotland, who unanimously voted to remain and gets fucked anyway.

There is word that Scotland might be having another independence referendum after this.

[hiplop]

genuinely shocked at the result. Thankfully this isn't legally binding. Hopefully they don't decide to do this...

[Shiro]

They most likely will.

The prime minister that backed the remain campaign just resigned.

[Drench]

they absolutely will

[Korts]

On the bright side, Ireland may finally be unified.

[BBmolla]

Can someone explain why they did this and what it means

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm in tears. I don't know how to deal with this. All of the rights and privileges that my generation should have had are being burned down, one by one, by those who benefited from them.

I don't really want to leave behind the people and cultural connections that I have to the UK, but it feels untenable. I want to live somewhere inclusive with socialised healthcare. Now I guess I have to find somewhere new - probably in Europe, but who's to say, with the extra instability that will now come to the whole of the EU, that anywhere to which I move stays that way? And I don't even know what career I would take there, because I don't want this one any more. Buying a house feels like such a distant dream.

Honestly, right now, it's impossible to know what it is I'm supposed to be looking forward to.

[BBmolla]

CDB is there anywhere I can read more about this? I'm horribly uninformed and I want to understand what is happening

[Thestatusquo]

I'm in tears. I don't know how to deal with this. All of the rights and privileges that my generation should have had are being burned down, one by one, by those who benefited from them.

I don't really want to leave behind the people and cultural connections that I have to the UK, but it feels untenable. I want to live somewhere inclusive with socialised healthcare. Now I guess I have to find somewhere new - probably in Europe, but who's to say, with the extra instability that will now come to the whole of the EU, that anywhere to which I move stays that way? And I don't even know what career I would take there, because I don't want this one any more. Buying a house feels like such a distant dream.

Honestly, right now, it's impossible to know what it is I'm supposed to be looking forward to.

George.

I'm so sorry.

[Thestatusquo]

CDB is there anywhere I can read more about this? I'm horribly uninformed and I want to understand what is happening

Molla:

Here is an article that cdb posted on his facebook yesterday. it's informative, except now it reads sadder than it did yesterday.

https://nick-alexander.com/2016/06/15/b ... oungsters/

[mykonian]

I'd try the BBC website right now, Molla. Everybody is a bit in shock and stuff isn't super clear yet, but it's basically the only news they are going to have today.

[BBmolla]

CDB is there anywhere I can read more about this? I'm horribly uninformed and I want to understand what is happening

Molla:

Here is an article that cdb posted on his facebook yesterday. it's informative, except now it reads sadder than it did yesterday.

https://nick-alexander.com/2016/06/15/b ... oungsters/

Thank you.

[BBmolla]

Sorry CDB.

[ChannelDelibird]

CDB is there anywhere I can read more about this? I'm horribly uninformed and I want to understand what is happening

It's kind of hard for me to concentrate right now and I can't find the link to an article I read that explained this better than I'm about to, but one of the major reasons why this has happened is because there is a huge, gaping divide between the north and south of England (really, between London and not-London), where years of hardship and government cuts have been spun by said governments and right-wing media to blame immigration and the EU instead. There's such a pervasive desire to stick it to the political elite, just to feel like their voices are being heard, and that ill feeling has spiraled into this. It's turkeys voting for Christmas, because they're just handing more power to people who will only make things worse for them, but we've served so much of the country so poorly.

I have no idea how we can recover from it.

[N]

Why is the UK so bad at referendums?

[Shiro]

CDB is there anywhere I can read more about this? I'm horribly uninformed and I want to understand what is happening

It's kind of hard for me to concentrate right now and I can't find the link to an article I read that explained this better than I'm about to, but one of the major reasons why this has happened is because there is a huge, gaping divide between the north and south of England (really, between London and not-London), where years of hardship and government cuts have been spun by said governments and right-wing media to blame immigration and the EU instead. There's such a pervasive desire to stick it to the political elite, just to feel like their voices are being heard, and that ill feeling has spiraled into this. It's turkeys voting for Christmas, because they're just handing more power to people who will only make things worse for them, but we've served so much of the country so poorly.

I have no idea how we can recover from it.

There is a pettion to the goverment for a redo of the referendum. And that a decision should not be accepted unless turnout is at least 80%

[Shiro]

It is even worse taht Scotalan and Irelan might try to break out from the UK and join EU meaning it might soon not be a UK but just England (or well keep the name cause wales)

[Firebringer]

The reasoning for the brexit was terrible from what I know (which is limited).
Anyone see the John Oliver clip covering? If it is all true (didn't check), was pretty informative.