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Post Post #275  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:46 pm

Could you do an analysis of my mafia forum posts
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Post Post #276  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:03 pm

click the link in my sig to so it urself
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Post Post #277  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:58 pm

In post 274, StefanB wrote:What does that say about me?
Authority-challenging that high, strange

Everyone seems to have roughly the same output. Give or take some fieryness.
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Post Post #278  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:21 pm

the stuff you’re bringing up has already been brought up in this thread many times

https://console.bluemix.net/docs/servic ... ml#science

here are some details and scientific background behind the service; can iso me to catch up on the discussion further
the content in this link and elsewhere at the linked site are what differs this service from any horoscope
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Post Post #279  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:35 pm

But that doesn't really address the issue that we're all getting virtually the same results. Like... everyone should not be top 1% of intellect.
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Post Post #280  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:40 pm

Spoiler: Just Discussion
Big Five
Openness
Adventurousness - 0.27060054712398884
Artistic interests - 0.38678535274628134
Emotionality - 0.2914063921176907
Imagination - 0.5090069526707915
Intellect - 0.9715555731522293
Authority-challenging - 0.9271047879971142

Conscientiousness
Achievement striving - 0.16127752984875315
Cautiousness - 0.4662320489977208
Dutifulness - 0.405713719231615
Orderliness - 0.04700728958883604
Self-discipline - 0.02818138432281103
Self-efficacy - 0.10860358686040117

Extraversion
Activity level - 0.16562789351538987
Assertiveness - 0.25376442053672926
Cheerfulness - 0.009163893168373294
Excitement-seeking - 0.1440310940771764
Outgoing - 0.008022701498535567
Gregariousness - 0.015336849963054067

Agreeableness
Altruism - 0.1959155269986358
Cooperation - 0.38028553052489844
Modesty - 0.5778230875521644
Uncompromising - 0.45330613572848266
Sympathy - 0.44962104755989757
Trust - 0.24281199280592347

Emotional range
Fiery - 0.6494925046137947
Prone to worry - 0.6530818542684402
Melancholy - 0.9632360847829373
Immoderation - 0.7675221339706129
Self-consciousness - 0.9550545398842292
Susceptible to stress - 0.8529864381950268

Values
Conservation - 0.010183916218312494
Openness to change - 0.373166561606755
Hedonism - 0.2163885836013632
Self-enhancement - 0.29328344080188473
Self-transcendence - 0.3343224281559188

Needs
Challenge - 0.33278467946154044
Closeness - 0.04574849214489629
Curiosity - 0.6760676853432448
Excitement - 0.2727549844632537
Harmony - 0.028456391424761973
Ideal - 0.3003167572568294
Liberty - 0.31789071567491445
Love - 0.08658529951616162
Practicality - 0.43561575741854913
Self-expression - 0.1430728571179256
Stability - 0.04237332629207191
Structure - 0.3943575874660265


Spoiler: Just Mafia
Big Five
Openness
Adventurousness - 0.2448711684846267
Artistic interests - 0.312569412325186
Emotionality - 0.3514759641878484
Imagination - 0.8101252414010371
Intellect - 0.9864466148272548
Authority-challenging - 0.9142669059018886

Conscientiousness
Achievement striving - 0.09213831828380908
Cautiousness - 0.1520371283026825
Dutifulness - 0.2540891274808152
Orderliness - 0.04733389378427166
Self-discipline - 0.01006749995514522
Self-efficacy - 0.2523429380122337

Extraversion
Activity level - 0.07830061077216233
Assertiveness - 0.33993791362071474
Cheerfulness - 0.007552492000510114
Excitement-seeking - 0.3634942230847979
Outgoing - 0.007263440464223836
Gregariousness - 0.010011119753083775

Agreeableness
Altruism - 0.2845611726293136
Cooperation - 0.13352367350041294
Modesty - 0.4693107513539853
Uncompromising - 0.14692419898251757
Sympathy - 0.6949616216208458
Trust - 0.131911166891249

Emotional range
Fiery - 0.9045894282136011
Prone to worry - 0.8251011551046703
Melancholy - 0.9856631573153629
Immoderation - 0.6836167329515949
Self-consciousness - 0.9578335224947225
Susceptible to stress - 0.8527100529390519

Values
Conservation - 0.011205103710728248
Openness to change - 0.2236353684359893
Hedonism - 0.21295880275888762
Self-enhancement - 0.24776664762081024
Self-transcendence - 0.22975967399534597

Needs
Challenge - 0.28335833483340545
Closeness - 0.05144484232740126
Curiosity - 0.599840564247013
Excitement - 0.3095777214995289
Harmony - 0.05829631479391156
Ideal - 0.36141027838503603
Liberty - 0.2687085727691992
Love - 0.08477912036905622
Practicality - 0.45449442653616007
Self-expression - 0.1609071633882908
Stability - 0.08126912391501362
Structure - 0.3210579790776926


Spoiler: Both
Big Five
Openness
Adventurousness - 0.23414607520119618
Artistic interests - 0.4598888433321624
Emotionality - 0.501626306960533
Imagination - 0.6213444365037728
Intellect - 0.9884582382038563
Authority-challenging - 0.9090948598873008

Conscientiousness
Achievement striving - 0.13968344884255324
Cautiousness - 0.32791115805085713
Dutifulness - 0.3565114850399612
Orderliness - 0.02815093208420344
Self-discipline - 0.01768712282104129
Self-efficacy - 0.18063603300941322

Extraversion
Activity level - 0.14676567319481554
Assertiveness - 0.382600980835774
Cheerfulness - 0.014448793461758203
Excitement-seeking - 0.22405275609692094
Outgoing - 0.01249086381348341
Gregariousness - 0.015336515929035621

Agreeableness
Altruism - 0.4126282970997827
Cooperation - 0.25249399233352093
Modesty - 0.4504176666503301
Uncompromising - 0.3051354213732227
Sympathy - 0.7140660406367382
Trust - 0.18976914013131058

Emotional range
Fiery - 0.7914278543417606
Prone to worry - 0.7431653037341491
Melancholy - 0.9523700724242379
Immoderation - 0.6523609473035872
Self-consciousness - 0.9355429935599019
Susceptible to stress - 0.8763203600889733

Values
Conservation - 0.011346021607772927
Openness to change - 0.41778826212884546
Hedonism - 0.23979126289885527
Self-enhancement - 0.566654062732939
Self-transcendence - 0.28374082875379125

Needs
Challenge - 0.40286953905193623
Closeness - 0.08758334880971708
Curiosity - 0.7057476562552105
Excitement - 0.3526943163615107
Harmony - 0.0699591273111434
Ideal - 0.5114920381522671
Liberty - 0.2967817796278247
Love - 0.11380602849289939
Practicality - 0.40518097222949045
Self-expression - 0.17630834460397576
Stability - 0.12167815711782037
Structure - 0.20566989713923955


Spoiler: discussion/mafia side-by-side
Just Discussion | Just Mafia


Openness
Adventurousness - 0.234 | 0.244
Artistic interests - 0.459 | 0.312
Emotionality - 0.501 | 0.351
Imagination - 0.621 | 0.810
Intellect - 0.988 | 0.986
Authority-challenging - 0.909 | 0.914

Conscientiousness
Achievement striving - 0.139 | 0.092
Cautiousness - 0.327 | 0.152
Dutifulness - 0.356 | 0.254
Orderliness - 0.028 | 0.047
Self-discipline - 0.017 | 0.010
Self-efficacy - 0.180 | 0.252

Extraversion
Activity level - 0.146 | 0.078
Assertiveness - 0.382 | 0.339
Cheerfulness - 0.0144 | 0.007
Excitement-seeking - 0.224 | 0.363
Outgoing - 0.012 | 0.007
Gregariousness - 0.015 | 0.010

Agreeableness
Altruism - 0.412 | 0.284
Cooperation - 0.252 | 0.133
Modesty - 0.450 | 0.469
Uncompromising - 0.305 | 0.146
Sympathy - 0.714 | 0.694
Trust - 0.189 | 0.131

Emotional range
Fiery - 0.791 | 0.904
Prone to worry - 0.743 | 0.825
Melancholy - 0.952 | 0.985
Immoderation - 0.652 | 0.683
Self-consciousness - 0.935 | 0.957
Susceptible to stress - 0.876 | 0.852

Values
Conservation - 0.011 | 0.011
Openness to change - 0.417 | 0.223
Hedonism - 0.239 | 0.212
Self-enhancement - 0.566 | 0.247
Self-transcendence - 0.283 | 0.229

Needs
Challenge - 0.402 | 0.283
Closeness - 0.087 | 0.051
Curiosity - 0.705 | 0.599
Excitement - 0.352 | 0.309
Harmony - 0.069 | 0.058
Ideal - 0.511 | 0.361
Liberty - 0.296 | 0.268
Love - 0.113 | 0.084
Practicality - 0.405 | 0.454
Self-expression - 0.176 | 0.160
Stability - 0.121 | 0.081
Structure - 0.205 | 0.321
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Post Post #281  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:41 pm

In post 279, zoraster wrote:But that doesn't really address the issue that we're all getting virtually the same results. Like... everyone should not be top 1% of intellect.

Well, it looks like we're being compared to Twitter. SO maybe that makes sense.
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Post Post #282  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:47 pm

Yeah like I said before, I think it’s a reasonable consequence of the difference in sourcing. According to the link, the model was apparently fitted on tweets. MS posts are in general different from tweets in key ways likely to result in overall patterns of scores across profiles.

In an ideal situation, I would collect everyone’s raw personality scores across MS and re-generate percentiles based on their distribution. That way, even though the model is fitted on tweets, you at least know you’re being compared to a more appropriate population.
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Post Post #283  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:20 pm

Anyway, we’ve been thinking of hosting our modbot tools the same way I’ve hosted this profiler thing. Does that seem like a good idea given your experience with google colab so far?
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Post Post #284  (ISO)  » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:03 pm

if you’re interested, you can compare your text based results with survey results you can generate at the page here: http://www.personalitylab.org
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Post Post #285  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:17 am

In post 279, zoraster wrote:But that doesn't really address the issue that we're all getting virtually the same results. Like... everyone should not be top 1% of intellect.


To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Mafia. The balancing mechanics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of power roles most of the breadcrumbs will go over a typical townie's head. There's also mod meta, which is deftly woven into their setups - their personal philosophies draw heavily from several converging mafia communities, for instance. The good players understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these communities, to realise that they're not just role madness - they say something deep about all of mafiascum. As a consequence people who dislike mafia truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in claiming a nk immune miller vig itself is a cryptic reference to Who. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as xReckonerx's genius wit unfolds itself on their game threads. What fools.. how I pity them. :lol:

And yes, by the way, i DO have a mafiascum tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid :cool:
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Post Post #286  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:29 am

In post 285, Majiffy wrote:personnel kid

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Post Post #287  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:00 am

Lol
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Post Post #288  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:26 pm

In post 276, Psyche wrote:click the link in my sig to so it urself

I know what it says, I just don't know what it means
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Post Post #289  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:48 pm

In post 235, Psyche wrote:Some new resources for interpreting your scores (the Big 5 ones anyway):
https://watson-developer-cloud.github.i ... istics.pdf
https://watson-developer-cloud.github.i ... istics.pdf
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Post Post #290  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:50 pm

In post 289, Psyche wrote:
In post 235, Psyche wrote:Some new resources for interpreting your scores (the Big 5 ones anyway):
https://watson-developer-cloud.github.i ... istics.pdf
https://watson-developer-cloud.github.i ... istics.pdf

This is all just gibberish, Psyche! What does it mean!?!
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Post Post #291  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:51 pm

I think I can work with that? thanks
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Post Post #292  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:42 pm

I think the subject matter will skew the results no matter what model is used underneath. Especially the mafia sections.
But it's a really interesting use of this service.

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Post Post #293  (ISO)  » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:44 pm

I'm excited to split my Discussion and Mafia sections!

I also wish I had known about this a while ago so it could caputre my Rel drama amd I could compare its thoughts to my SUPP excitement!

Both are extremely different in how I talked, acted, and thought! The variations could have been awesome!

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Is there a way to do this for a specific thread?
I honestly think it would have 2 completely different models of myself if we compared the two!
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Post Post #294  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:35 pm

I wonder what feature of Twitter users makes us all 99% for Openness.

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Post Post #295  (ISO)  » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:15 am

Big Five
Openness
Adventurousness - 0.4297913112463878
Artistic interests - 0.5873595651400602
Emotionality - 0.38839505942161434
Imagination - 0.6256272553559271
Intellect - 0.9961378726755232
Authority-challenging - 0.9654427719847412

Conscientiousness
Achievement striving - 0.040865555894676386
Cautiousness - 0.09592222344302093
Dutifulness - 0.09587017534760212
Orderliness - 0.06336967846851632
Self-discipline - 0.006245482472432062
Self-efficacy - 0.10422472442058017

Extraversion
Activity level - 0.07019895681982952
Assertiveness - 0.3668492212453499
Cheerfulness - 0.014622874057803548
Excitement-seeking - 0.3519586691696279
Outgoing - 0.05767805647659202
Gregariousness - 0.12681753941116874

Agreeableness
Altruism - 0.2749047424019971
Cooperation - 0.1556249772126282
Modesty - 0.31357777134781617
Uncompromising - 0.18448770207613147
Sympathy - 0.7629990747577743
Trust - 0.11896603296741559

Emotional range
Fiery - 0.8065785736799825
Prone to worry - 0.6450145594161292
Melancholy - 0.9488855604835134
Immoderation - 0.8453473730945481
Self-consciousness - 0.8007897813482072
Susceptible to stress - 0.7462806772019723

Values
Conservation - 0.0002761969112120566
Openness to change - 0.3338108763499644
Hedonism - 0.2235975437350659
Self-enhancement - 0.24227359522864167
Self-transcendence - 0.1924049219702228

Needs
Challenge - 0.2095508023358808
Closeness - 0.038979426896503966
Curiosity - 0.4638384890203885
Excitement - 0.2552401760281925
Harmony - 0.016931263547481534
Ideal - 0.1521566343113241
Liberty - 0.17078922537986818
Love - 0.050129960414446895
Practicality - 0.36190653217968016
Self-expression - 0.08363329565074301
Stability - 0.010476586836486113
Structure - 0.08155807470747894
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Post Post #296  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:01 am

/in

Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #297  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:29 am

In post 231, Psyche wrote:https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1LiTzRa0J3tyBuZZXBx_P1EvWeCdth76u#forceEdit=true&offline=true&sandboxMode=true

Here! This is a simple, easy to use tool you can use from your Google account to generate a personality profile for yourself. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Post Post #298  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:45 pm

Psyche: Maybe an off-the-wall question, but what's your favourite model for classifying emotional states (or maybe just state of mind in general)/variation.
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Post Post #299  (ISO)  » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:55 pm

have always been a big fan of appraisal theory but other than that idk
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