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Post Post #5650 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:18 am

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you forgot oil
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Post Post #5651 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:28 am

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In post 5649, Shiro wrote:I am cool discussing no matter how you react.

Middle East had destroyed itself not cause of sacrifices to reach a greater goal but because of religious indoctrination.

And obviously I am not talking about rounding up people to kill them because they disagree with you.
"religious indoctrination"
"greater goal"

You're too naive to realize they all are fucking excuses and they all are fucking "idea" and no one should die for it

"oil"

is also for control

but w/e

whenever you lost your relatives for "greater good" - if you were not that blinded to be the murderer - then you get the right to open your mouth for those big words. Till then learn to grow up and make sure you're not a blinded fool to turn into the murderer.
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Post Post #5652 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:30 am

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Like

you don't know anything about middle east so you won't realize the similarity of this crap to what a religious indoctrination actually means so I don't expect you to understand
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Post Post #5653 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:32 am

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We kill people to make the earth heaven they say in ISIS

They kill people to be in heaven on earth and afterlife
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Post Post #5654 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:37 am

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They also have a written version of the illustrated utopia

It's not fundamentally different from accountant version

it's actually more practical

and it's logical and very consistent
(by exception of some women rights)
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Post Post #5655 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:02 pm

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So Accountant is part of ISIS?
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Post Post #5656 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:29 pm

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In post 5651, Frozen Angel wrote:whenever you lost your relatives for "greater good" - if you were not that blinded to be the murderer -
I have though admittidly not people I knew anything about since it was before I was born, during the minor asia desstruction.

FA, I do not mean gathering people to kill them for disagreeing with me, I am a huge advocate of conversation(since I truthfulyl believe discussion is the best way to expand ones knowledge) nor anything of the like.

I am however talking about enacting harsh punishment to people that disrupt the world. People should fear that if they step over the line they wont get a pat in the back and a "don't do it again please" memo.
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Post Post #5657 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:56 pm

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lol
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Post Post #5658 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:22 pm

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In post 5656, Shiro wrote:
In post 5651, Frozen Angel wrote:whenever you lost your relatives for "greater good" - if you were not that blinded to be the murderer -
I have though admittidly not people I knew anything about since it was before I was born, during the minor asia desstruction.

FA, I do not mean gathering people to kill them for disagreeing with me, I am a huge advocate of conversation(since I truthfulyl believe discussion is the best way to expand ones knowledge) nor anything of the like.

I am however talking about enacting harsh punishment to people that disrupt the world. People should fear that if they step over the line they wont get a pat in the back and a "don't do it again please" memo.
there is a very obvious line between execution for guilt and cold blood murder.
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Post Post #5659 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:24 pm

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what's so funny?
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Post Post #5660 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:28 pm

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FA pls :[
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Post Post #5661 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:54 pm

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There's nothing in the latest posts I can respond to, plz ping me once someone says something I can respond to
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Post Post #5662 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:57 pm

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In post 5661, Accountant wrote:There's nothing in the latest posts I can respond to, plz ping me once someone says something I can respond to
you said lol

I like to know what about killing people or my comments regarding that is so funny?
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Post Post #5663 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:15 pm

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In post 5658, Frozen Angel wrote:there is a very obvious line between execution for guilt and cold blood murder.
Indeed but the thing is mistakes are going to be made, we aren't perfect and people that might not be guilty could be punished. That is an unfortunate sacrifice that should not deter such a system from existing.
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Post Post #5664 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 5663, Shiro wrote:
In post 5658, Frozen Angel wrote:there is a very obvious line between execution for guilt and cold blood murder.
Indeed but the thing is mistakes are going to be made, we aren't perfect and people that might not be guilty could be punished. That is an unfortunate sacrifice that should not deter such a system from existing.
after Iran independence revolution more than 1 million innocents were executed cause a sociopath said this "we don't have time to judge everyone, This will take forever. We will execute the suspicious people anyway, if they were guilty then whatever, if they were innocent they will go to heaven as a martyr"

One who dies defending their idea and beliefs is a hero for whoever else who has that idea or counts it rational.

One who dies enforcing an idea to a group is just a blatant murderer.
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Post Post #5665 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:27 pm

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The same ideology is still getting victims in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
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Post Post #5666 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:32 pm

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You are implying I said that there shouldn't be a process to minimise such mistakes. Obviously there should but we are humans and it is impossible not to make mistakes ever.
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Post Post #5667 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:48 pm

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In post 5666, Shiro wrote:You are implying I said that there shouldn't be a process to minimise such mistakes. Obviously there should but we are humans and it is impossible not to make mistakes ever.
I'm not sure what is your point

Everything started when it was implied to make you're utopia happen, whoever is not on the correct path can die

That is not executing for guilt - it's executing for idea and you will be a murderer - a terrorist to kill anyone for what they believe.

Now you're saying only bad people who does something really wrong that we can't let them live with humanity anymore must be executed. That is execution for guilt. It's what a government is obligated to do for the crimes that can't stop or compensated by keeping the criminal in prison (no crime is componsatble tbh but we humans design a system of punishment to make the criminals pay for they're crimes with their money, time and life).

now, in a revolution if anyone kills the opposite side for what they believe in, They're a murderer. But if after a revolution someone is executed for their actions - that might be just.

Now tell me which one were you suggesting?
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Post Post #5668 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:57 pm

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I am talking about the latter FA.

Punishing people that are guilty harshly, both as punishment as a deterent from further crime.

My point was that in such a system though mistakes are bound to be made and innocent might die cause of them. That shouldn't deter from keeping said system if it benefit the greater popoulation. That was my point from the get go and the part I agreed with Accountant.

Though honestly reading back my first posts, I can see how it can be taken wrong.
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Post Post #5669 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:58 pm

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Circulating my thoughts in text is sadly something I tend to have a problem with
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Post Post #5670 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:02 pm

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In post 5668, Shiro wrote:I am talking about the latter FA.

Punishing people that are guilty harshly, both as punishment as a deterent from further crime.

My point was that in such a system though mistakes are bound to be made and innocent might die cause of them. That shouldn't deter from keeping said system if it benefit the greater popoulation. That was my point from the get go and the part I agreed with Accountant.

Though honestly reading back my first posts, I can see how it can be taken wrong.
read back and read the definition of "bad people who must be executed" from accountant and read all my posts since then the way I was drawing a borderline here.

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Post Post #5671 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:16 pm

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In post 5608, Accountant wrote:
In post 5602, Frozen Angel wrote:come the fuck on

are you saying we are same human beings?

You know NO two people are same right?
We aren't the same. A mortal has less value than a utopic follower. Hence, it's acceptable to kill mortals for the sake of utopic followers.
thats fucked up
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Post Post #5672 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:26 pm

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In post 5671, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
In post 5608, Accountant wrote:
In post 5602, Frozen Angel wrote:come the fuck on

are you saying we are same human beings?

You know NO two people are same right?
We aren't the same. A mortal has less value than a utopic follower. Hence, it's acceptable to kill mortals for the sake of utopic followers.
thats fucked up
It's the truth.
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Post Post #5673 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:33 pm

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I stand by everything I said

You're an enemy of humanity

After your first kill - if I see you I will kill you with my bare hands.
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Post Post #5674 (ISO) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:34 pm

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I will do what I know to be right.
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