In post 5320, Ankamius wrote:Considering that the philosophy fundamentally relies on everything related to reality being false, it's frankly absurd to assume that rising intelligence will correlate to more people accepting i
1) No, it relies on everything related to reality not being true or being the most important thing 100% of the time. Everything has its place, and reality should only impose itself during its allotted time slots.
2) Why is it absurd?
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 5322, Ankamius wrote:Logic and understanding reality has been what drives humanity throughout time. Accepting 'the correct path' assumes we will do blatantly the opposite and make up stories for how the world works when we can't explain it, which we are starting to move past.
But... the correct path imposes itself on reality. So someone seeking to understand reality would be seeking to understand the correct path. That's a move towards accepting it.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 5322, Ankamius wrote:Plus you still feel the need to constantly push for it, which wouldn't be necessary at all if it's 'inevitable'.
Two reasons.
1) It makes me feel good that I'm calling people out and shutting down their evil.
2) It accelerates the process.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
Your ideology is "science" now you have to explain why that is more important than freedom, fighting with poverty, removing corrupted governments, order, fighting with human inequality problem an whatever other ieologies people are fighting for nowdays to reach their own dream which might be the same as what you are suggesting.
congratulations
My ideology is not science, my ideology is the correct path.
Also it accomplishes all those things so people fighting for those ideologies should follow my dream. Except freedom.
I think you don't understand the meaning of the words you use. ideaology is the way of achieving umanity goals. its an idea about how we should achieve that perfect utopia - most of us can imagine in the same way.
imagining good things doesn't matter at all tbh, its how we go forward toward it that matters. your ideology is "science" as you beleive utopia is achievable with science. now answer why if we put our most efforts on science poverty will go away, and how we will have better equal societies for all human beings as thats a part of the utopia you are describing.
In post 5328, Frozen Angel wrote:ideaology is the way of achieving umanity goals. its an idea about how we should achieve that perfect utopia - most of us can imagine in the same way.
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a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy." Naw
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
a system of ideas and ideals that will shows us the correct path, the idea itself can't be the correct path. it must be somthing that will determine that, you get what I mean?
If I were KK, I wouldn't feel bad that one of the people who comes out of this looking the worst thinks I came out looking the worst tbh.
This post is a very Shaziro post
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
a system of ideas and ideals that will shows us the correct path, the idea itself can't be the correct path. it must be somthing that will determine that, you get what I mean?
What are you asking?
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 5320, Ankamius wrote:Considering that the philosophy fundamentally relies on everything related to reality being false, it's frankly absurd to assume that rising intelligence will correlate to more people accepting i
1) No, it relies on everything related to reality not being true or being the most important thing 100% of the time. Everything has its place, and reality should only impose itself during its allotted time slots.
2) Why is it absurd?
Because as humanity has gained knowledge and learned more about the world, logic, mathematics, physics, etc. evolved to be able to provably explain how our new knowledge of the world works. Your philosophy is more leaning reversing that process than moving forward.
In post 5322, Ankamius wrote:Logic and understanding reality has been what drives humanity throughout time. Accepting 'the correct path' assumes we will do blatantly the opposite and make up stories for how the world works when we can't explain it, which we are starting to move past.
But... the correct path imposes itself on reality. So someone seeking to understand reality would be seeking to understand the correct path. That's a move towards accepting it.
No. Your philosophy rejects logic. That's fundamentally contradictory to understanding reality.
In post 5335, Ankamius wrote:No. Your philosophy rejects logic. That's fundamentally contradictory to understanding reality.
Disagree
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
I also disagree that the utopia rejects logic. The utopia understands that logic is a useful tool that can produce great results if used properly.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 5334, Ankamius wrote:Because as humanity has gained knowledge and learned more about the world, logic, mathematics, physics, etc. evolved to be able to provably explain how our new knowledge of the world works. Your philosophy is more leaning reversing that process than moving forward.
I disagree. It's the next natural step in the evolution of knowledge.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
Go outside accountant. Go climb a mountain or go camping. (For real, not in your head)
I think maybe part of the issue is you're on the internet too much.
In post 5339, Fluminator wrote:Go outside accountant. Go climb a mountain or go camping. (For real, not in your head)
I think maybe part of the issue is you're on the internet too much.
No, I refuse. I don't see the value in real world mountain climbing. There is no issue. You don't get to dictate what I do with my time. You can try, but you are as helpless as a baby to affect what I really do in the end. I will continue hiding this from my parents. I will continue daydreaming and being immersed in utopia. I will continue "not seeking help". There is nothing you can do about it.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 5342, Fluminator wrote:Also, one day your parents won't be paying for your food and shelter. I hope you have a plan for that
Of course I do. Don't be silly.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
a system of ideas and ideals that will shows us the correct path, the idea itself can't be the correct path. it must be somthing that will determine that, you get what I mean?
What are you asking?
I'm saying I have a good dream too and I beleive there is a correct path
I want you to give me some clues what is that path. how our civilizations must act how people must act to make this stupid world a better place. thats all that matters the rest is just "the wall is orange" argument.
just to clarify you is not accountant. its everyone. thats ideology talking - what should be general humanity conscious and what should we humans push toward.
I don't believe singaporean air is particularly fresh
I mean, smoking is illegal from my last understanding. They're kinda known for their crazy laws. Something like 150 dollars for not flushing public toilets.
In post 5337, Accountant wrote:I also disagree that the utopia rejects logic. The utopia understands that logic is a useful tool that can produce great results if used properly.
And logic gets rejected when it disproves your utopia?
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