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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:19 pm

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There's a *long* list of NFL people who need slapping before you get down to Kaepernick.
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:54 pm

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I'd give tony romo a call or see if bradford or bridge is available before I go after kaep

I didn't see the jets pats game or the controversial call of the non-td touchback until just now in a video. They should not have overturned that td on that call. At no point does the ball leave his person. If it hit the ground or fell out, I'd be ok with it but seriously that didn't look like much of a bobble and a bobble is not a fumble. Given there was still 8+ minutes left, no telling how game would have changed. Patriots would have played harder if score was closer. Patriots probably still would have won. But that was a bad call.
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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:30 pm

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In post 948, Bella wrote:while having a back up whose last meaningful non-preseason action was as in Division III for Wesley.
Why should Kaep get a chance to play instead of him?
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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:40 pm

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In post 951, PokerFace wrote:I'd give tony romo a call or see if bradford or bridge is available before I go after kaep
I don't think Romo would leave and Bradford might be done for this year and Bridge won't even be able to play for a few weeks.
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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:22 am

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In post 951, PokerFace wrote:I'd give tony romo a call or see if bradford or bridge is available before I go after kaep.
So, you'd go after a retired QB who's focused on broadcasting and thus doesn't have time to be working out or in shape (and has a very good chance of turning into a better broacaster than he ever was a QB) or two players who're currently injured ahead of Kaep?
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In post 948, Bella wrote:while having a back up whose last meaningful non-preseason action was as in Division III for Wesley.
Why should Kaep get a chance to play instead of him?
He's a proven NFL caliber QB. At the very least, you're better off having at least one guy like that around to help the two unproven young kids they have on their roster right now. Also, he was actually decent last season despite having the 49ers roster around him.
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:24 am

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Romo isn't ever going to consider coming back to the league

Favre is more likely to come back than Romo
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:39 am

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Kaep was an amazing quarterback with a good coaching staff and a decent roster. He did a lot for the 49ers before we lost Jim Harbaugh and a lot of our big players.
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:19 am

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Kaep was not amazing. He's been average to slightly below average every year beside 2012. That being said, even saying he's a slightly below average STARTING QB means this guy should have a job and he'd definitely be one of the best if not THE best back up in the league. AND A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN BRANDON WEEDEN. That's honestly what convinced me that he has a case and that's what convinced me that he was indeed being blackballed. The guys Tennessee worked out were really some putrid level QBs and Weeden being the best of those really speaks volumes. "Here comes Brandon Weeden" are the most terrifying words in sports if he's on your club.

Also, I didn't get the hype to sign Kaep when they were gonna start Hundley until I saw that Bella post, so like, thanks bella.
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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:40 am

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Hundley should get the start in Green Bay. He's been on the team for three years. He knows the playbook and presumably has a little bit of chemistry with the skill players. Even if Kaep is a better QB (which he is), knowing the playbook and chemistry with players is a HUGE advantage Hundley has over every other potential QB in the league. If GB were to bring anyone else to start, all they would be able to do is run basic plays.

Now you have to have a truly desperate situation to need Kaep (both starter and backup injured), because Kaep didn't go through camp, spring training, or the first 6 weeks of the season. He should have been on a roster from the get-go of course, but now I'm not sure he could help a team without some massive injuries to the position.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:41 am

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Why did Kaep opt out of his contract?
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:45 am

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The giants managed to beat the broncos, on our way to a miserable 6-10 which will manage to both miss the playoffs and not get a good draft pick.
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:03 am

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In post 957, PJ. wrote:Kaep was not amazing. He's been average to slightly below average every year beside 2012. That being said, even saying he's a slightly below average STARTING QB means this guy should have a job and he'd definitely be one of the best if not THE best back up in the league. AND A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN BRANDON WEEDEN. That's honestly what convinced me that he has a case and that's what convinced me that he was indeed being blackballed. The guys Tennessee worked out were really some putrid level QBs and Weeden being the best of those really speaks volumes. "Here comes Brandon Weeden" are the most terrifying words in sports if he's on your club.

Also, I didn't get the hype to sign Kaep when they were gonna start Hundley until I saw that Bella post, so like, thanks bella.
I'm not saying he's the second coming of Tom Brady or anything, but based on last seasons stats and the garbage he had around him and bearing in mind he was running an offence that was notionally designed for Blaine Gabbert (who was benched for him yet somehow still has a job in the NFL), I'd argue that putting him anywhere in the 15-25 range in a list of Best Active QBs is entirely reasonable.

The Kaepernick thing is somehting I've seen brought up plenty of places, basically from the standpoint of a) he's a local and b) he's been really good against the Pack in the past. And, y'know, the clear best free agent QB available.
In post 958, T-Bone wrote:Hundley should get the start in Green Bay. He's been on the team for three years. He knows the playbook and presumably has a little bit of chemistry with the skill players. Even if Kaep is a better QB (which he is), knowing the playbook and chemistry with players is a HUGE advantage Hundley has over every other potential QB in the league. If GB were to bring anyone else to start, all they would be able to do is run basic plays.

Now you have to have a truly desperate situation to need Kaep (both starter and backup injured), because Kaep didn't go through camp, spring training, or the first 6 weeks of the season. He should have been on a roster from the get-go of course, but now I'm not sure he could help a team without some massive injuries to the position.
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In post 959, Nero Cain wrote:Why did Kaep opt out of his contract?
Probably because he wanted a shot to start and the 49ers didn't want him.
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:25 pm

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omg, watching the Giants vs. Broncos and dude says "here the Giants are coming off a worse week than Harvey Weinstein"
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:06 pm

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Yeah it was really poor taste imo. He's apologized.
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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:06 pm

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In post 961, Bella wrote:I'm not saying he's the second coming of Tom Brady or anything, but based on last seasons stats and the garbage he had around him and bearing in mind he was running an offence that was notionally designed for Blaine Gabbert (who was benched for him yet somehow still has a job in the NFL), I'd argue that putting him anywhere in the 15-25 range in a list of Best Active QBs is entirely reasonable.

The Kaepernick thing is somehting I've seen brought up plenty of places, basically from the standpoint of a) he's a local and b) he's been really good against the Pack in the past. And, y'know, the clear best free agent QB available.
For sure, I was being sincere about not getting the GB needs to sign Kaep now hype until you were like "just in case shit hits the fan on Hundley, they should have kaep instead of just the practice squad guy". Like I figured if they were going with Hundley, don't bother with Kaep(I'm also a bit of a Hundley believer).

My response saying he's not amazing was mostly directed at KTS who said he was amazing.
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:46 am

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fwiw, the argument that "Oh, he knows the system and the play book, that's way more important than being a better QB" doesn't really hold up. Look at the 2017 Colts, for example, Jacoby Brissett took Scott Tolzien's job after 30 minutes of football and liek a week on the roster, because Scott Tolzien is garbage and Brissett is vaguely competent and all the familiarity with the players and the playbook can't change that.
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:16 am

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I agree(hence why I think the Weeden thing is bullshit), but I honestly think Hundley can be p good and it's better to find out what they have in him now than after the re-sign him in 2 years(or let him walk and become a star somewhere else). And he's 5 years younger than Kaep. And yeah, I think that putting Kaep as the back up to Hundley would be a bit of confidence in case he goes down. The only downside is if it causes too much distraction in a Tebow-esque fashion. That'd really be my only concern with him in Green Bay.
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Post Post #967 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:53 am

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I don't know about you guys, but nothing could be more 'exotic smash mouth' than Brandon Weeden
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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:59 am

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oh and i saw the jets overturned TD
that was a big crock of BS
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:33 am

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Well, we don't know that Hundley isn't a good QB like we know Tolizen is. (also Toilzen is like a million years old)

Also, did Brissett really play that well initially, or is he just riding the hype of *not* being Tolizen? He's gotten better as he's gotten more familiar with things sure.
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:36 am

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In post 969, T-Bone wrote:also Toilzen is like a million years old)
Now I feel old. I'm 27 which makes me three years away from a million.
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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:35 pm

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I grew up watching Randall Cunningham...
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:40 pm

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I made a joke when I said call bradford or bridgewater. MIN are rivals with GB after all. Guess no one realized that

I'd rather have old Romo than old Kaep, but don't think Romo would go for it. They should see what they got in Hundley and maybe look into kaep if that fails.
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm

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Kaep not old, tho.
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:36 am

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In post 971, drealmerz7 wrote:I grew up watching Randall Cunningham...
didn't everyone?
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