Abolish the Two Party System

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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:52 pm

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Is Accountant being bashed for feeding a troll or am I missing something
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:50 pm

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In post 50, Flubbernugget wrote:Is Accountant being bashed for feeding a troll or am I missing something
It's an ouroboros of trolling.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:54 pm

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In post 51, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 50, Flubbernugget wrote:Is Accountant being bashed for feeding a troll or am I missing something
It's an ouroboros of trolling.
I think Accountant is 100% serious.
Part of the problem.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:26 pm

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In post 49, KuroiXHF wrote:Be careful, -Grey-. Last time I mentioned the two-party system and third party politics, a discussion mod accused me of drinking too much Kool Aid.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 pm

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In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:[insert rant about two party systems being mandated by first past the post here]
canada has 3 parties and fptp
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:24 pm

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In post 42, James3 wrote:If everyone acted in a completely individualist manner, the human race would die out as no children would survive to adulthood.
Each person pursues their function on an individual level. There will of course be people whose function is to care for and raise children.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.

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In post 42, James3 wrote:I don't know what world you're living in, but there are plenty of organizations that admit only members of minorities. Few raise objections to it.
I can't think of any off the top of my head. Can you?
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In post 55, Accountant wrote:
In post 42, James3 wrote:If everyone acted in a completely individualist manner, the human race would die out as no children would survive to adulthood.
Each person pursues their function on an individual level. There will of course be people whose function is to care for and raise children.
What would be a good way to pick those people?
In post 56, Accountant wrote:
In post 42, James3 wrote:I don't know what world you're living in, but there are plenty of organizations that admit only members of minorities. Few raise objections to it.
I can't think of any off the top of my head. Can you?
The Congressional Black Caucus.

You know, there's lots of information just a Google search away.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:21 pm

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In post 54, hiplop wrote:
In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:[insert rant about two party systems being mandated by first past the post here]
canada has 3 parties and fptp
canada is a very different parliamentary system than the US
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:27 pm

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In post 57, James3 wrote:The Congressional Black Caucus.

You know, there's lots of information just a Google search away.
Yes in fact there is.
Wikipedia wrote:race and party affiliation are not explicit prerequisites for membership
Part of the problem.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:05 pm

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In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:[insert rant about two party systems being mandated by first past the post here]
In post 45, Nahdia wrote:If you're curious about what other voting systems look like, CGPGrey has a fairly easy to understand video series on youtube explaining some other systems & their advantages and disadvantages.
Basically, FPTP is really really terrible for democracy.
In post 9, Majiffy wrote:No FPTP and the electoral college needs to be replaced with MMP and a preferential voting system in order to affect any real change.

CGP Grey does a good number of videos on political systems and some of the troubles we and other democracies (notably the UK, where he now lives) face. Check it out on Youtube if you have some time to burn.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:24 pm

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In post 59, theplague42 wrote:
In post 57, James3 wrote:The Congressional Black Caucus.

You know, there's lots of information just a Google search away.
Yes in fact there is.
Wikipedia wrote:race and party affiliation are not explicit prerequisites for membership
If there were a "Congressional White Caucus", people would go mad.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:51 pm

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In post 57, James3 wrote:What would be a good way to pick those people?
"WANTED: people who can raise and nurture children. Should have a kind and caring personality, experience in social work, enough money to support the kids and a willingness to raise a child. Apply at your nearest ministry of human resources office now!"
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:51 pm

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In post 57, James3 wrote:The Congressional Black Caucus.
That one is a special case that is okay.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.

You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:13 am

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you know WHAT fuckos it APPEARS that i gotta talk about FPTP while DRUNK

FTPT: MAKES PROPORTIONALITY MORE DIFFICULT! per district, ONLY TWO WINNERS
per jurisdiction: NAH!! DIFFERENT WINNERS PER DISTRICT

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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:14 am

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god i'm drunk but basically stop blaming fptp for your problems when shit like the seventeenth amendment fucked it up for you more
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MULTIWINNER DISTRICTS IS THE BEST WAYTO ENSHRE PROPORTIONALITY
HOW YOU DO IT IS UP TO YOU
BUT YOULL ALWAYS BE DISPROPORTIONATE WITH SINGLE WINNER DISTRICTS

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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:04 am

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In post 54, hiplop wrote:
In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:[insert rant about two party systems being mandated by first past the post here]
canada has 3 parties and fptp
Like that's a real place.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:36 am

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In post 54, hiplop wrote:
In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:[insert rant about two party systems being mandated by first past the post here]
canada has 3 parties and fptp
sadly we have four
Routine day with a dirt cheap brush
Then a week goes by and it goes untouched
Then two, then three, then a month
Then the rest of your life, you beat yourself up
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:45 am

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from the time I was born until 2008 the bloc was our third largest political party, in fact there was a stretch of about five years where the bloc was the official opposition party
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:22 am

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In post 61, James3 wrote:If there were a "Congressional White Caucus", people would go mad.
Possibly, but you used it as an example that limits membership on race, when it clearly does not. There is a difference between a group that represents minority interests and a group that limits membership based on race.
Part of the problem.
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In post 71, theplague42 wrote:
In post 61, James3 wrote:If there were a "Congressional White Caucus", people would go mad.
Possibly, but you used it as an example that limits membership on race, when it clearly does not. There is a difference between a group that represents minority interests and a group that limits membership based on race.
Why does a group that represents minority interests have to refer to itself as black when blacks are not the only minority?

Does it not suggest they are the only minority that matters?
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:28 am

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In post 72, -Grey- wrote:Why does a group that represents minority interests have to refer to itself as black when blacks are not the only minority?

Does it not suggest they are the only minority that matters?
That's irrelevant. James3 was claiming the CBC was an example of a group that restricted membership by race. That is incorrect.

The CBC does not discount the interests of other minorities. Blacks just happened to be the first minority to make big inroads into the government. There's also congressional caucuses for Hispanics, Asians/Pacific Islanders, and Sikhs.
Part of the problem.
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