UK Pol - #independenceday

[Mac]

In the last three years:

2014 - European Election
2014 - Indy Ref
2015 - UK General Election
2016 - Brexit
2016 - Scottish Parliament
2017- Local Elections
2017 - UK General Election

I just think people can't be bothered any more sadly and that played right into the Conservatives hands. Sturgeon should've held off before calling for another referendum.

[Zulfy]

sinn fein labour coalition confirmed

[zoraster]

why when people come in to announce news do they not link to things?

[zoraster]

also Conservatives+DUP is a majority even with Sinn Fein I think?

[Untrod Tripod]

hey I heard zor eats farts

[Not_Mafia]

I'm pretty sure Zulfy is making some sort of weird joke

[zoraster]

i guess.

[Mac]

Sinn Fein don't sit at Parliament

[Max]

This might be bad news for NI Peace Process though.

SF and DUP probs will not make deal now, so another election.

[Not_Mafia]

Having DUP governing at all is terrible in and of itself, no matter how much they have to tone themselves down to form a coalition, they are primitive fringe extremists and lunatics who live in an alternate reality and it's embarrassing that our country has slipped to this point

[Papa Zito]

If only the Tories had kept their majority :3

[Mac]

This might be bad news for NI Peace Process though.

SF and DUP probs will not make deal now, so another election.

Huh? SF don't matter. DUP + Conservatives is enough for a coalition.

[Max]

For the NI peace process ONLY SF and DUP matter.

[Not_Mafia]

This might be bad news for NI Peace Process though.

SF and DUP probs will not make deal now, so another election.

Huh? SF don't matter. DUP + Conservatives is enough for a coalition.

I think Max is talking about the Stormont

[Mac]

Ah, my mistake.

[Vi]

So let me make sure I have this right.

1) The snap election was an act of gross mismanagement intended to cement a dysfunctional and incompetent government that blatantly ignores a huge swath of citizens.
2) Even factoring in that both of the two major parties are perceived as dysfunctional and incompetent, the election succeeded beyond everyone's wildest imaginings in cementing a dysfunctional and incompetent government that blatantly ignores a huge swath of citizens.

Is that basically it?

[zoraster]

what do you mean by "succeeded"?

[Vi]

what do you mean by "succeeded"?

I edited for clarity.
The election resulted in an even more dysfunctional and incompetent government by forcing a coalition of bad and awful, instead of just giving bad a "sole mandate".

[zoraster]

I guess if we're going for funny, sure. But in reality that's using mismanaged and dysfunctional in two different ways. The Tories wanted to put into place a lot of pretty extreme policies (or continue to do so) and were fine with a Hard Brexit, or at least pretended to be. The election was designed to allow them to more effectively do that. They would have been pretty functional at doing so had they received a large majority, whatever you believe about the merits or morality of doing that.

[Davsto]

And then they got too cocky and decided to announce loads of policies they'd never push otherwise because they have a huge lead which resulted in them losing their lead as they really turned people off

Now they are stuck in the position of both still having to negotiate brexit while also barely having a majority even with a coalition, which is literally the worst possible turnout for them

[Vi]

I guess if we're going for funny, sure. But in reality that's using mismanaged and dysfunctional in two different ways. The Tories wanted to put into place a lot of pretty extreme policies (or continue to do so) and were fine with a Hard Brexit, or at least pretended to be. The election was designed to allow them to more effectively do that. They would have been pretty functional at doing so had they received a large majority, whatever you believe about the merits or morality of doing that.

Somewhat guilty as charged, but I haven't exactly heard much about the Tories being functional at negotiating Brexit.

[Wraith]

So let me make sure I have this right.

1) The snap election was an act of gross mismanagement intended to cement a dysfunctional and incompetent government that blatantly ignores a huge swath of citizens.
2) Even factoring in that both of the two major parties are perceived as dysfunctional and incompetent, the election succeeded beyond everyone's wildest imaginings in cementing a dysfunctional and incompetent government that blatantly ignores a huge swath of citizens.

Is that basically it?

They won't have the political capital or breathing room to institute their extreme austerity measures, AND they're now going to get hung with the albatross of the economic backlash from Brexit. Call me an optimist, but I think this was actually the worst possible outcome for them, save for if they had lost three more seats and been unable to salvage their majority even with a coalition.

I think the Tories are going to lose a lot more seats come 2020.

[zoraster]

theoretically 2022 now, Wraith.

[mykonian]

There was also the issue that dealing with the immediate results of brexit would coincide with the next elections. This way there's a single government that can deal with it.

I think it's too easy to say that this is going to suck regardless, at the very least I think you'd want leadership with a certain goal in charge, even if you disagree with that goal. This is too important to leave parts up for chance. Any deal is better than no deal, and a deal some are happy with is better than a deal nobody is happy with. At least maximised your result then, for the hardness of brexit that they wanted to achieve. I really hope that they can manage to forge a coalition that has their brexit stance ironed out somehow. If that doesn't work out, I feel very sorry for the UK

[zoraster]

I would always, always rather a result that leads to something I dislike somewhat over one that I dislike a lot. I don't care whatsoever that someone else would love the thing I dislike a lot. That's not a

selling

point, myko.