UK Pol - #independenceday

[Porochaz]

I mean if I thought for a second I could vote for Labour then I would. I've voted Labour I think in every election that I could, even that one that Lib Dems promised free tuition fees. Scottish Labour has been a non-entity for so long. I don't think there is much support there and when I look at issues Scottish independence is probably the main one right now, before an independent Scotland had a few things going for it, namely EU and oil. Since we don't/wouldn't have either it would be insanity to leave. Yet that's what the SNP (and the greens) want to do. Whilst Sturgeons policies are somewhat in line with what I believe the SNP's really aren't.

I don't know, I mean take the independence thing out then the SNP still wouldn't be a useful vote, they cannot take charge of the country. Labour under Corbyn is full of in-fighting and are so pre-occupied with themselves that their is no point voting for them. I can't see them magically coming together to make an effective force against the Tories, especially in Scotland where they would get a lot more of their seats if they could crowbar some of the SNP's MP's out, but I doubt they do that. Tories is a horrible vote, I only see my and the general public's standard of living getting worse but I can see people in Scotland voting them, I can't see them voting Labour. I hope the next few weeks prove me wrong.

EDIT: I can't see my voting Conservative and being okay with it, I probably will vote Labour again. Despite Corbyn.

EDIT2: http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/index.php is telling me Lib Dem... http://wsyvf.com/x/19aba (for 2015 election)

[Bellaphant]

Huh, that test is telling me Greens overwhelmingly (41 points to Lab's 16).

This is the test I was talking about when we chatted outside, I think https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

[Porochaz]

http://uk.isidewith.com/results/3072789315 - I dont like this test for a few reasons. (No SNP choice, it tells me education isn't important to me, it was just that the questions asked hold less importance to me. Also it told me my educational interests lie with UKIP which is worrying, but again, think the wrong questions were probably asked)

[Bellaphant]

Vote for policies also told me my educational views were very Ukip - I think it's because i went for a very hands off approach!

[mykonian]

I tried bella's test: that's really hard to get through! All points for each subject are just thrown onto a pile, and their answers are sometimes written in an inaccessible way. It doesn't do much to help you judge party promises (or which individual ones they could actually keep)

[Mac]

Apparently he was asked three times if gay sex was a sin and he didn't answer. Sigh.

This is maybe irrelevant given his opinions but, despite this heavily religious viewpoint, he has voted in favour of LGBT policies before.

[Davsto]

May refuses to debate. BBC and ITV defy this and will hold debates anyway, without her.

[Randomnamechange]

smart. Easier for opposition to go after the areas that Tories are fucking up in if they can get her to admit them.
On the Farron thing, he has previously stated that he is strongly in favour of gay rights, so he may understand that it is important even if he is against it. still a slimeball, but it isn't as politically major as it could be.

[Nexus]

i mean to be fair the lib dems threw away everything they promised last time they got a sniff of power so fuck them

[zoraster]

Well, they did get a referendum on the alternative vote method.

Anyway, i think their dalliance with the conservatives was pretty poorly considered, and it was pretty obvious. I don't know if LDs with their first whiff of power just lost their heads or what.

[Nexus]

they got elected mostly from a student vote, I believe, and then promptly fucked that. Or at least that's how i ended up feeling after voting for them.

[zoraster]

Oh, I completely agree. It was political suicide for them to enter into a coalition with the Tories.

At the same time in some sort of marginal constituency where a LD is in the running, what else is there to do? Vote for Corbyn led Labour? The Tories? There are no good answers.

[Mac]

I was thinking earlier I really have no one to vote for. Or want to vote for maybe. Not sure on the SNP because it'll be all indyrefindyref forever, don't want to vote conservative because, well, tories, don't fancy Labour because they're up shit creek and the Greens have policies which, if I remember rightly, contradict with my line of work. And I don't think there's a Lib Dem candidate either, even then I don't know if I'd vote for them after the last election fiasco.

[Nexus]

My current constituency has a 12k gap between the Tories and then who was second - Labour last time around - the Lib Dems took a 15% hit going from second to fourth behind the Tories, Lib Dems and UKIP.

I need to get out and speak to the local candidates (other than Victoria Prentis because she's foul)

[zoraster]

Vote strategically in those situations, Mac. Think about which candidates have any shot in your constituency whatsoever, vote for one whose party you dislike least.

[zoraster]

My current constituency has a 12k gap between the Tories and then who was second - Labour last time around - the Lib Dems took a 15% hit going from second to fourth behind the Tories, Lib Dems and UKIP.

I need to get out and speak to the local candidates (other than Victoria Prentis because she's foul)

It looks like she at least campaigned to Remain.

[shaft.ed]

namely EU and oil. Since we don't/wouldn't have either it would be insanity to leave.

independent Scotland can always join the EU

[Max]

Especially as Spain said they wouldn't block it.

[Mac]

An indy Scotland also never had the EU going for it? That was part of the No campaign's threats (and further reason why Scotland is continually being shat on)

[Drench]

full nationalism when tbh
bring on united ireland

[mykonian]

before an independent Scotland had a few things going for it, namely EU and oil. Since we don't/wouldn't have either it would be insanity to leave.

Mind explaining this one to me? I don't think I quite understand.

[Porochaz]

I was thinking earlier I really have no one to vote for. Or want to vote for maybe. Not sure on the SNP because it'll be all indyrefindyref forever, don't want to vote conservative because, well, tories, don't fancy Labour because they're up shit creek and the Greens have policies which, if I remember rightly, contradict with my line of work. And I don't think there's a Lib Dem candidate either, even then I don't know if I'd vote for them after the last election fiasco.

Regardless of where you live in Aberdeen there will be a lib dem candidate. (whether voting for them would do anything...)

[Mac]

I don't live in Aberdeen, I live in the sticks, it's just easier to say Aberdeen here lol. I do work there though!

[Nexus]

My current constituency has a 12k gap between the Tories and then who was second - Labour last time around - the Lib Dems took a 15% hit going from second to fourth behind the Tories, Lib Dems and UKIP.

I need to get out and speak to the local candidates (other than Victoria Prentis because she's foul)

It looks like she at least campaigned to Remain.

But she didn't defy her party to vote for it...

[zoraster]

Sure, but most Labour voted for it too in the end. 177 of 229 did so, amazingly. Only SNP and LDs really voted convincingly against of the parties with more than 3 MPs.