Star Wars (Spoilers)

[Majiffy]

I think Luke's progression was pretty natural.

[Who]

i think there are two star wars fans

1) people that care about writing, continuity, world building, epic storylines
2) people that wanna see psychic space samurai fuck up bad guys

i'm more in the 1st camp and i didn't like it at all. it looks better, but its story is worse than revenge of the sith

at least the force awakens wasn't bad even though it was mostly boring. tlj is just bad in so many ways but #2s in the fanbase don't care

i like rogue one when i treat it as an offshoot and not part of the 'star wars saga' but it does fill in some gaps. it's like if they made a roberts rebellion movie/tv show from game of thrones. important, but at the same time unimportant

If you want 1 why are you watching Star Wars? The movies have never had good writing/continuity/worldbuilding/whatever. Other than maybe 5.

[zoraster]

I read a lot of EU stuff as a kid, but I'm glad they did not try to do something with that. Even the best books the original trilogy characters were kind of painful. It introduced some cool characters like Mara Jade and Thrawn, but I definitely did not need them to go down the EU route.

EDIT: I guess now the books I read are part of the "Legends" continuity.

[hiplop]

I think the worst thing about TLJ is that for the first time I'm not wondering what's coming next and I'm not really interested in episode IX at all and that's a weird thing for me to grapple with

[zoraster]

It does seem that a some of the discontent comes from an anxiety about future movies than the movie they were just presented with.

[TwoInAMillion]

EU was mostly about the classic characters, the movies are going to be less and less that way.

[DeathNote]

I think the worst thing about TLJ is that for the first time I'm not wondering what's coming next and I'm not really interested in episode IX at all and that's a weird thing for me to grapple with

I do understand this however it had the opposite effect for me. I have no idea what's going to happen in the final installment and that excites me.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's also quite possible that there will be some setup for X-XII which could be interesting.

[Majiffy]

I think the worst thing about TLJ is that for the first time I'm not wondering what's coming next and I'm not really interested in episode IX at all and that's a weird thing for me to grapple with

I do understand this however it had the opposite effect for me. I have no idea what's going to happen in the final installment and that excites me.

Samesies

[Ginngie]

It's also quite possible that there will be some setup for X-XII which could be interesting.

The next trilogy is supposed to be unrelated to literally everything

[TwoInAMillion]

It's also quite possible that there will be some setup for X-XII which could be interesting.

The next trilogy is supposed to be unrelated to literally everything

No that is Rian Johnson's trilogy which is different from X-XII.

[Ginngie]

Wait wat

[shaft.ed]

It's also quite possible that there will be some setup for X-XII which could be interesting.

The next trilogy is supposed to be unrelated to literally everything

so kinda like TFA and TLJ

[TwoInAMillion]

Wait wat

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/mov ... 850180001/

[Ginngie]

That’s not saying there will be an X through XII

[TwoInAMillion]

That’s not saying there will be an X through XII

No but it's not saying there won't be. And with TLJ at $1B globally already it would be silly for there not to be.

[Ginngie]

Okay?

That was just saying what i just said already

[TwoInAMillion]

My point is that for all intents and purposes the likely format will be for there to be "saga" films alternating with Johnson films every year.


2021: Episode X
2022: Johnson film 1
2023: Episode XI
2024: Johnson film 2
2025: Episode XII
2026: Johnson film 3

[McMenno]

EU was mostly about the classic characters, the movies are going to be less and less that way.

they should just explodinate r2, c3po and chewie and get it over with

[zoraster]

those are the characters they can use forever because it's so easy to recast them.

[Agent Sparkles]

Okay. I thought it was both amazing and flawed, probably better than TFA and definitely Rogue One.

The plot was alright, nothing really to write home about, but the execution of it (most of the time) was really good. It was a lot more tense than TFA, and exciting enough that I never found myself waiting for the next interesting thing to happen. Some pros and cons:

+Character development. Poe as a hit-or-miss wild card that has to learn from his mistakes, Luke trying to shut out the world but eventually helping the Resistance survive, Rey's changing relations with Luke and Kylo Ren, Finn confronting the past he used to run from. Even Snoke, while underused, comes off as a much more threatening and malicious villain than in TFA.
+The entire throne room scene
+Kylo Ren as unhinged Supreme Leader
+General Hux
+Best part of the movie was desperate Finn trying to fly into the cannon against Poe's orders, knowing that it'll kill him, only for Rose to slam her ship into his and save him at the (almost) cost of her own life. I also loved his last battle with Phasma and the "rebel scum" line.
+The general foreboding tone of the movie. It made me genuinely concerned for the characters, and the First Order always felt like a real threat as much as the Empire did.

-The Leia fakeout was really convincing, but... really, the vacuum of space doesn't instantly kill her?
-It's written by a different director, and it shows. While I prefer Kylo as Supreme Leader, we never got any real payout or insight on Snoke. The decision to make Rey's parents nobodies is fine in itself, but in the bigger picture of the movies.... nah. It makes a fair amount of screen time in both TFA and TLJ now seem wasted on a mystery that didn't really go anywhere. Also, did the series forget about the Knights of Ren?
-The one thing that really frustrated me was Luke's death. The hologram scene seemed like an awesome fakeout where Luke had totally fooled the First Order, and then he just.... died anyway. It made his stunt completely irrelevant and full of false hope, and I never felt like the scene couldn't have been done without killing off such an important and iconic character. At least the reasoning behind Han's death was more understandable. (I still like that he eventually came around to helping them, though.)

This is about where I'm at with the new movies:

The Last Jedi: 8.5 (could've been as high as 9.5 without the issues)
The Force Awakens: 8
Rogue One: 6.5-7 (good, but slightly overrated)

[Annadog40]

Space doesn't instantly kill you.

[Agent Sparkles]

Space doesn't instantly kill you.

I did a bit of research and you're right. She still wouldn't have lasted that long, though, much less stayed conscious and saved herself with powers she'd never used before.

[TwoInAMillion]

Space doesn't instantly kill you.

I did a bit of research and you're right. She still wouldn't have lasted that long, though, much less stayed conscious and saved herself with powers she'd never used before.

Rey had never used the jedi mind trick in TFA but she did it anyways. Leia is the daughter of The Chosen One and The Force can do amazing things so it's not that unbelievable.

[Agent Sparkles]

Space doesn't instantly kill you.

I did a bit of research and you're right. She still wouldn't have lasted that long, though, much less stayed conscious and saved herself with powers she'd never used before.

Rey had never used the jedi mind trick in TFA but she did it anyways. Leia is the daughter of The Chosen One and The Force can do amazing things so it's not that unbelievable.

Rey doing the mind trick was a reach too. But my point was more that she would never be awake and strong enough to pull something like that off.