2018 NFL Football

[Nero Cain]

TIAM, I think your arguments about QB's are bad. I mean, at the NFL lvl you are facing better defenses so a good college game doesn't necessarily translate to a good NFL game but winning Heisman and going early round=//=bust.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't say early round, I said specifically overall #1 pick and heisman trophy do not mix historically. Just based on history. If a super bowl ring is your goal.

[Nero Cain]

Sure but avoiding a QB just b/c they won a Heisman b/ OMG history seems like a dumb thing to do. Football is a team sport so you could still be a good QB and not win a SB if the team is bad but if you are picking #1 you don't have that good of team anyways so...

[TwoInAMillion]

Sure but avoiding a QB just b/c they won a Heisman b/ OMG history seems like a dumb thing to do. Football is a team sport so you could still be a good QB and not win a SB if the team is bad but if you are picking #1 you don't have that good of team anyways so...

Not really, just like you shouldn't take a kicker with the #1 overall pick. Mayfield could end up winning 10 super bowls. Just my prediction he won't.

[Nero Cain]

He

COULD

theoretically. I really don't see a need to write him off though b/c history. I think your argument might point more towards Heisman voters being shitters than whether or not the QB's are good or not.

[Nero Cain]

No, it's a mostly a bad thing

by rub I meant y the Browns shouldn't have drafted Mayfield. I liked the pick. The CB pick might have been a reach but I think that was kinda a pr move to get a hometown guy but they could have traded down and got him later right?

[SleepyKrew]

You're using statistics incorrectly

[PJ.]

Winston, Newton, Bradford, Palmer...all heisman trophy winners picked #1. None have yet to win a Super Bowl.

1 of those guys was really good though. And 1 of them is currently really good. The other the jury is still out on. And Bradford is an above average starter when he isn't hurt.

And in 17 years only 10 QBs have won a super bowl. In 13 in 20. 7 of those 13 are either in the Hall of Fame or guaranteed to be in the Hall of Fame. It's a very weird thing to measure success solely by whether or not you won a super bowl or not.

I'm pretty sure Cleveland wants to win a Super Bowl. Maybe I'm wrong.

That's obviously every organizations goal, but your thesis statement is "don't draft a Quarterback who won the heisman #1 overall, because they never win the super bowl", and my counterargument is only a very small number of quarterbacks win super bowls and it is not indicative of skill at the position due to the nature of the accomplishment (i.e it's a team game). There are several Hall of Fame passers without championships( for example, Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkenton). And as I stated previously, only 7 of 13 QBs in the last 20 years are current or surefire future hall of famers and the other 6 got carried by an elite defense, and if we're being honest Peyton Manning should really count as a half point for each side considering how bad he was when he won the broncos super bowl, so the score is a flat tie 6.5 to 6.5. The only person who can swing this score is Russell Wilson. It's a team accomplishment, not an individual accomplishment
What you're saying is basically akin to saying "You should only draft Quarterbacks with the 199th pick because they win the most super bowls". It's silly. If you draft good players , regardless of when you draft them, you have a better chance of winning and for sure at least 50% of the players you mentioned are good football players and have nearly won a super bowl. Baker Mayfield seems to be a good football player.

This whole "Mayfield is short" thing is dumb. Last year, Russell Wilson, who I remind you, was considered too short to play QB, put up ridiculously good stats.

And Drew Brees is a future Hall of Famer. They are the exception not the rule.

No, it's a mostly a bad thing

by rub I meant y the Browns shouldn't have drafted Mayfield. I liked the pick. The CB pick might have been a reach but I think that was kinda a pr move to get a hometown guy but they could have traded down and got him later right?

I already explained why they shouldn't have drafted him first overall in the post you quoted. They could of gotten a likely generational talent in Barkley AND still gotten Mayfield. They could have easily traded back into the first to get the corner if they were 100% sold on the guy, given how many picks they had.

[brassherald]

Let's be real, on a team like the Browns, Baker Mayfield will be a relative success this year alone if they win 4 games.

[shaft.ed]

You're using statistics incorrectly

thats not even statistics

[shaft.ed]

Just my prediction he won't.

it's really easy to not win a Super Bowl

[BROseidon]

You're using statistics incorrectly

^

[shaft.ed]

Man the QB class of 83 only had one Superbowl winner
must have sucked big time

[BROseidon]

Philly jumping Dallas to draft Dallas to spite Dallas man what a meme

[brassherald]

Also, on the QB stuff, we have just 8 active Quarterbacks who have won the Superbowl as a starter. Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz, who are both extremely good QBs, not on that list.

[SleepyKrew]

reminder that the best postseason by a QB in NFL history belongs to JOE FLACCO

[Spiffeh]

My friend from high school just got drafted to the Rams so that’s cool

[brassherald]

My friend from high school just got drafted to the Rams so that’s cool

That's awesome. You can now brag to everyone about knowing an NFL player personally.

[Bella]

What if, I don't know, Shazier actually wanted to walk out and announce the pick? Kinda overreacting and showing your steelers hate right now.

I mean, he's said he wants to play again, it'd be a pretty big slap in the face if you drafted a guy to play his specific position in the first round. The bigger complaint about my statement is that I confused the two Edmunds brothers and the one they drafted is a safety, so the Steelers are off the hook. The lengths the NFL went to to get people to not boo Goodell were pretty low, still. Personally, I'd have had him announce a day two or three pick so his excellent progress isn't being used as a human shield for Goodell.

[Sugar Cain]

I'd assume that more ppl estch d1 than d2 or d3. I don't really think they were using him as a human shield. Just a feel-good moment with max exposure.

[brassherald]

I'd assume that more ppl estch d1 than d2 or d3. I don't really think they were using him as a human shield. Just a feel-good moment with max exposure.

Nero, you are super bad at this getting off Hydras thing.

[Nero Cain]

ikr?

[BROseidon]

Shaquem Griffin to Seattle is all that matters go Knights!

[D3f3nd3r]

NFC West is gonna be so fun next year

[PJ.]

No its not. I hate football.