Which is the better antonym for "Conservative"?
-
-
Porkens
- the worst
-
the worst Snuggly Duckling
- the worst
- Snuggly Duckling
- Snuggly Duckling
- Posts: 36293
- Joined: November 7, 2015
- Location: pond
I come from a crackpot country where the most right-leaning (on average) major party is called the Liberal Party.
Being Australian is a thought exercise sometimes-
-
Porkens
- the worst
-
the worst Snuggly Duckling
- the worst
- Snuggly Duckling
- Snuggly Duckling
- Posts: 36293
- Joined: November 7, 2015
- Location: pond
˙ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ uʍop ǝpᴉsdn ʎɹǝʌ lǝǝɟ I ¡¡ǝʌᴉsuǝɟɟo ʇou puɐ snoᴉɹɐlᴉɥ sᴉ ʇɐɥ┴-
-
Porkens
- Majiffy
-
Majiffy Go with the Flow
- Majiffy
- Go with the Flow
- Go with the Flow
- Posts: 23825
- Joined: November 23, 2011
- Location: Memphis, TN
- Contact:
Depends on your use of conservative. Conservative as in restraint? Liberal. Conservative as opposed to change? Progressive.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
How To Win Every Game At Mafiascum (The Flowchart)||In case anyone was unsure...
Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game- CooLDoG
-
CooLDoG Mafia Scum
- CooLDoG
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4575
- Joined: September 2, 2009
- Location: A grand nominal wizard from the peripheral
- Contact:
I really don't like that both progressive and conservative are value laden terms. On one hand you have an implication of saving what is valuable (conservative) and on the other you have a making the world better (progressive). I don't so much mind the term liberal, but it does not align well with typical US liberals economic thought.
I honestly prefer the terms traditionalist and reformist (or revolutionary. Although almost no US liberals are actual revolutionaries who want to completely destroy the current political system.) It seems to evoke the "old ways best" attitude and the liberal project of changing and adding new policies/programs...after a wank.- Majiffy
-
Majiffy Go with the Flow
- Majiffy
- Go with the Flow
- Go with the Flow
- Posts: 23825
- Joined: November 23, 2011
- Location: Memphis, TN
- Contact:
For instance you can be conservative with money or liberal with money but being progressive with money makes no sense. Alternatively you can be conservative in your approach to something or progressive in your approach to something but being liberal in an approach is limited to only a few concepts.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
How To Win Every Game At Mafiascum (The Flowchart)||In case anyone was unsure...
Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game- CooLDoG
-
CooLDoG Mafia Scum
- CooLDoG
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4575
- Joined: September 2, 2009
- Location: A grand nominal wizard from the peripheral
- Contact:
Also, jiffy is correct, there are many "progressive" programs that find their home on the left-wing which are certainly NOT liberal. For instance, there is a good case to be made that the civil rights bill and other non-discrimination acts (which I whole heartedly agree with) are not "liberal" because they actually impose and take away certain freedoms from the system. While it would be hard to argue that they are not progressive.
EDIT;
Actually Conservative/Reformist were the two political factions in ancient Rome for those wondering.after a wank.- Parama
-
Parama Survivor
- Parama
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 18799
- Joined: November 22, 2009
good personShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
RateYourMusic page because song contests are like the only reason I'm still here.
GET TO KNOW ME
I basically post like I'm always on twitter, ignore my spamminess.- Majiffy
-
Majiffy Go with the Flow
- Majiffy
- Go with the Flow
- Go with the Flow
- Posts: 23825
- Joined: November 23, 2011
- Location: Memphis, TN
- Contact:
Ooh ooh yeah we can break this down to active and passive freedomsOnly playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
How To Win Every Game At Mafiascum (The Flowchart)||In case anyone was unsure...
Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game- Randomnamechange
-
Randomnamechange Jack of All Trades
- Randomnamechange
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6075
- Joined: February 8, 2014
- GreyICE
-
GreyICE Fifty Shades
- GreyICE
- Fifty Shades
- Fifty Shades
- Posts: 15455
- Joined: December 15, 2010
SaneShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
Official Visigoth
Read Mother Jones- the worst
-
the worst Snuggly Duckling
- the worst
- Snuggly Duckling
- Snuggly Duckling
- Posts: 36293
- Joined: November 7, 2015
- Location: pond
Fav postIn post 12, GreyICE wrote:Sane- Parama
-
Parama Survivor
- Parama
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 18799
- Joined: November 22, 2009
it's a great postShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
RateYourMusic page because song contests are like the only reason I'm still here.
GET TO KNOW ME
I basically post like I'm always on twitter, ignore my spamminess.- Tammy
-
Tammy Survivor
- Tammy
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 15361
- Joined: January 13, 2012
- CooLDoG
-
CooLDoG Mafia Scum
- CooLDoG
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4575
- Joined: September 2, 2009
- Location: A grand nominal wizard from the peripheral
- Contact:
typically the distinction is made in the form of negative and positive, because freedom is generally considered to be a passive state that one is in regardless.In post 10, Majiffy wrote:Ooh ooh yeah we can break this down to active and passive freedoms
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libe ... -negative/
Essentially, conservatives are more about negative liberty, i.e. finding the the minimum of things that you can't do and then allowing people to do whatever beyond that. Liberals tend to want to increase positive liberty of some specific groups, meaning, give them more possibilities of action.
Negative liberty: "you are free if no one is stopping you from doing whatever you might want to do."
Positive liberty: "you must be self-determined, which is to say that you must be able to control your own destiny in your own interests."
you are correct with your edit. However, I always figured that this was what the two main factions were in a defacto sense. Like, the Optimates were for the elite and the Populares were for giving shit to the peasants. But sure, whatever. I think my distinction could still hold overall.In post 15, Tammy wrote:I came in here because I was going to answer "sane" thinking I was clever, but someone beat me to it.
Last edited by CooLDoG on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:02 am, edited 1 time in total.after a wank.- Majiffy
-
Majiffy Go with the Flow
- Majiffy
- Go with the Flow
- Go with the Flow
- Posts: 23825
- Joined: November 23, 2011
- Location: Memphis, TN
- Contact:
Yeah my b been a few years since I've touched social theoryIn post 16, CooLDoG wrote:
typically the distinction is made in the form of negative and positive,In post 10, Majiffy wrote:Ooh ooh yeah we can break this down to active and passive freedomsOnly playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
How To Win Every Game At Mafiascum (The Flowchart)||In case anyone was unsure...
Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game- CooLDoG
-
CooLDoG Mafia Scum
- CooLDoG
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4575
- Joined: September 2, 2009
- Location: A grand nominal wizard from the peripheral
- Contact:
- vonflare
-
vonflare doot
- vonflare
- doot
- doot
- Posts: 3093
- Joined: January 1, 2014
- Location: Blue Gatorade Factory
-
-
Porkens
- Vijarada
-
Vijarada Goon
- Vijarada
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 460
- Joined: November 5, 2016
- Location: Canberra, Australia
- Vijarada
-
Vijarada Goon
- Vijarada
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 460
- Joined: November 5, 2016
- Location: Canberra, Australia
- vonflare
-
vonflare doot
- vonflare
- doot
- doot
- Posts: 3093
- Joined: January 1, 2014
- Location: Blue Gatorade Factory
Yeah I feel like Americans like to give 'conservative' a negative connotation. Like they lump conservative and alt-right into the same category, which is pretty strange.
American politics manTHIS POST IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
- vonflare
- Vijarada
- Vijarada
- vonflare
- CooLDoG
- Majiffy
- CooLDoG
- Tammy
- Parama
- the worst
- GreyICE
- Randomnamechange
- Majiffy
- Parama
- CooLDoG
- Majiffy
- CooLDoG
- Majiffy
- the worst
- the worst