(trigger warning) Which do you notice first?

[Quick]

It is hardwired into us as an evolutionary protection mechanism for intermingling with people of other genders

Evolution prevents us from intermingling with other genders? I feel like you don't understand how evolution works...

I didn't say that.

You could say we are cautiously optimistic towards other races. This goes across the board IMO. I mean, is extreme inequality/segregation a good thing? Absolutely not! But that's not what I am claiming. All I am claiming is that people have a preference for their kin, essentially.

I get that there could be some kind of attempt at an argument about race (I am NOT saying the argument is valid, I'm just saying I could believe that someone could attempt to make one and I'm too lazy to evaluate the argument), but you said that the same applies to gender. Evolution only happens when people of different genders "intermingle".* Evolution is very strongly biased in favor of intermingling with other genders.

*Or well technically there are some people who are exceptions but there aren't enough of them to continue the human race at its current population.

I threw in gender because that was what was in the OP. I don't think the same applies to gender. I don't think humans really have the capacity to "segregate" men from women as hard as they may try. Reason for this is that if you segregate men and women, there's no way to procreate, which kinda goes against the whole premise of evolution.

[Davsto]

is extreme inequality/segregation a good thing? Absolutely not!

Implying that moderate inequality and segregation is absolutely fine?

[vonflare]

moderate inequality

fine and necessary

segregation

not fine

[Quick]

is extreme inequality/segregation a good thing? Absolutely not!

Implying that moderate inequality and segregation is absolutely fine?

I'm saying it's a problem with the way we are wired, not that it is good. It's just that when it get's dogmatic (which is a countermeasure to the alternative) things get really fucked up and you end up with hitler.

[Porkens]

That’s not true! “Race” is a product of racism, and is not part of our “wiring” at all.

[Inferno390]

*Or well technically there are some people who are exceptions but there aren't enough of them to continue the human race at its current population.

LMFAO

[Inferno390]

I mean to be honest, skin color is skin color. We're all God's children, so why does it matter? It's just hereditary traits that are pretty much based on how long a certain group of people spent time in the sun over the last 8000 years.

[Harambey180]

Why, if we hear the word "Race", do most of us not think about competitive racing, but about something disgusting as someone's skin color?

[Psyche]

idk about u but my skin color isn't disgusting and im offended you'd say so

[Psyche]

lol jk im just messing with you my skin reminds me of dirt and poop

[Quick]

That’s not true! “Race” is a product of racism, and is not part of our “wiring” at all.

People are biased and are not rational. Why shouldn't this apply to race?

[Porkens]

Of course it does. But that bias is not hardwired, but learned.

[Quick]

Of course it does. But that bias is not hardwired, but learned.

I think this is something that I don't have enough knowledge of to say one way or another.

[N]

then why did you

[Quick]

then why did you

That’s not true! “Race” is a product of racism, and is not part of our “wiring” at all.

People are biased and are not rational. Why shouldn't this apply to race?

[Porkens]

Why, if we hear the word "Race", do most of us not think about competitive racing, but about something disgusting as someone's skin color?

Wow great question!

[Porkens]

While the polling shows gender is noticed more than race, no one is talking about gender.

[Porkens]

then why did you

Zing

[Annadog40]

From a biology stand point, wouldn't it make more sense for nature to prefer gene diversification rather than segregation?

[vonflare]

nature would prefer it if humans didnt reproduce at all

[Psyche]

lots of factors matter more than gene diversification, otherwise we’d all be attracted to animals
natural selection ultimately happens at the level of the gene, so the ones that have made it this far are ultimately out for themselves

[Harambey180]

While the polling shows gender is noticed more than race, no one is talking about gender.

When it comes to gender, just take it from a purely biological point: Species need to reproduce in order to survive. That is at least one of multiple reasons why people notice people from the other gender more often than from the same gender, at least that's what I think we're arguing about.

In other words, noticing gender is probably something in our genes of reproducing as a species. It's just a known fact that people generally are more excited about ones from the other gender too. That's biological and afaik mutual too, so there's not much wrong with noticing more people of the other gender really.

What would be the case with people of a different skin color, I don't know. Although, lately I've read a book that also included slavery. When two black people came to Europe, it says in the book 'everyone was surprised to see the two black princes as they'd never seen black people before'. Which would confirm that we notice different races more often. It was also the other way round, as in, when the Europeans came to their colonies, they were also 'strangers' in company of all the black people.

I think the reason that there's a lot of anger around all of this, is because for gender, men have been more powerful than women in the past and thus women complain about being abused sexually and stuff all that, and for race, white people have been more powerful. That doesn't mean that it's NECESSARILY bad that men have certain thoughts when it comes to women, and that white people have certain thoughts about black people - afaik, it works the same way the other way. It's just that men and white people have been more powerful in the past than women and black people respectively because of what happened in the past. Now, the women and black people speak up about it because they realize that the 'other side' is more powerful. That's why there are a lot of discussions about this.
Again, doesn't mean it's NECESSARILY bad that we occasionally 'judge people by their cover'. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It's natural and it's the way nature works that we 'notice the ones from the other side' first, not that bad.

[vonflare]

lots of factors matter more than gene diversification, otherwise we’d all be attracted to animals

owo

[Annadog40]

We aren't compatable with them though.

And wrong vonflare, humans r natural.

[vonflare]

if humans are natural then explain this



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