The Metal Forüm

[Parama]

Your post reads as really pretentious btw

sorry for having preferences

i'm more into prog than metal in general, just that all the prog i like is metal

[Suspicious]

What's usually pretentious nowadays is saying "[x] genre is dead" because that's just simple ignorance.

Tech can be a hard genre to love, especially in the modern context.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Your post reads as really pretentious btw

sorry for having preferences

Lol have your preferences dude but you busted in here calling something that people put a shit ton of work into a "joke" just because you can't be bothered with players that are skilled with their instruments. Also, something sounding cool is subjective but skill/talent is not.
That's how I took your post, even if it wasn't your intention like you look down your nose at people who spend time to master their instrument.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Love the join date. Same day

The Battle of Yaldabaoth

came out.

[Parama]

At no point did I make any insult at their skill and you getting overly defensive for someone else in that way isn't healthy, dude

[Dr Easy Bake]

At no point did I make any insult at their skill

that archspire record i literally can't see as anything other than a joke with how over the top the playing is

Maybe there is some miscommunication here, but I took calling it a joke as an insult.

[Parama]

Oh I'm absolutely insulting the album but that's not a knock against the skill of the musicians

You can be skilled and make bad music.

[Flubbernugget]

^^agree

[Dr Easy Bake]

^^disagree
Alright, well there's our problem.
When you insult a piece of music you also insult anyone who listens to that music.
There is no such thing as "bad" music, only bad players and/or bad fans.
You dismissing something as "bad" is incredibly selfish and close-minded because you aren't taking into consideration what that music does for other people. You are only thinking about

your

experience with the music, which you might perceive to be bad, and there might be people that agree with you. But, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's "bad," it just means it's not for you. By labeling it as "bad' you are negating the emotions/opinions of the people that enjoy it. Music is arguably the most subjective thing on this planet. No one has the right to call any of it "bad."
By all means, you have every right to not enjoy something, and others have the right to enjoy that thing. But if a piece of music exists, at least one person in the world enjoys it or enjoyed it at some point. I don't appreciate the negation of any music fan's thoughts on said music.
I don't like most electronic music, but I would

never

say any of it is "bad."

[Parama]

Congrats on discovering music is subjective

Still not sure what you're trying to accomplish here

Saying I'm not allowed to crack jokes against an album I dislike is a take for sure, though

[Dr Easy Bake]

You weren't cracking jokes. You called the album a joke and then called it bad music.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Then tried to dismiss me when I had an opinion about that by saying it was "unhealthy" to defend something I feel passionate about.

[Parama]

What you are arguing is that nobody should review music ever because it may hurt the feelings of someone who does enjoy it when an album is reviewed negatively.

Please let me know how that is in any way a reasonable or healthy mindset to hold.

If you feel personally insulted by my dislike towards an album you weren't in any way involved in the creation of you are going to really struggle in life, my dude.

[Dr Easy Bake]

I'm not insulted by you disliking an album that I liked, I'm not a child that needs everyone to like what I like.
I'm mostly a metal-head so I'm used to people not enjoying the same things I do.
I'm insulted that you simply dismissed it as "bad." That's not a review, that's you going "I don't like this, therefore it is bad because I only like good things."
Now that's an unhealthy mindset.

[Dr Easy Bake]

A music reviewer doesn't write something like this: This was bad. 0/5 stars.

They write an essay of thoughts on why or why they don't personally like it.

[Parama]

I mean I could go into depth as to why I don't like it but this is a random thread on a mafia site and I'm not gonna expend that effort lol

Again, it's not your album, there's literally no reason for you to take it personally

[Dr Easy Bake]

If you're not here to expend effort then why are you here?
And I already explained why I do take it personally.

[Dr Easy Bake]

And I'm not saying you need to write all of your thoughts to express your feelings about something. You can simply write it's not for you instead of dismissing it and calling it bad.

[Parama]

lol k

[Flubbernugget]

Bake I think you're way too absolute in interpreting how others use their words

[Dr Easy Bake]

lol k

OMG great argument I surrender.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Bake I think you're way too absolute in interpreting how others use their words

I mean, if this was a face to face argument I'm sure it would have gone differently. It's hard to make words come across the way you want them to with written text.
I can admit that I definitely got tilted.

[Majiffy]

Oh yes, naturally, that comes with the package. My issue is when talent at playing alone, by itself, is favored over constructing engaging songs. Someone can be very competent or even a wizard at using a guitar, but it's all for naught if their tracks serve no purpose.

This is my main gripe with noodling guitarists or blastbeat drum slammers

Playing repetitive shit over and over means you sit down and practice it a lot. It says little about your abilities as a musician to pick what to play where to compose a song that lives and breathes. Sadly it feels like most rock and metal as a whole has been trending this way since the 80s.

[Suspicious]

Depends on where you look my man. I'm a part-time volunteer reviewer myself, so I've had to wade through the modern music scene countless times.

My main takeaways:
1) The music market's barrier to entry is at its lowest point ever. Technology and methods of distribution--digital and physical--have become so much easier to access for the common musician. This is an incredible boost, since people that ordinarily would never be able to have a voice now have an avenue to do so, even in their own basement. Some amazing artists have emerged from the underground through websites like bandcamp, which I make common trips to to pick out new music.
2) I did say that anyone can enter the music business. That means ANYONE. Someone who just learned the chords to Wonderwall and wants to drop their 5-song acoustic EP about their last break-up can absolutely do so. There is incredible innovation or at least overall solid playing in modern music, but it has become undeniably saturated.
3) It's therefore very easy and understandable to conclude the current state of music is poor, because it DOES take digging to get to the good stuff most of the time. For many, that's a tall order, since it calls for sifting through mediocrity and simply poor quality. But it can absolutely be rewarding.

[Majiffy]

I think you misunderstood. I'm not saying there isn't good stuff out there. I just think

as a whole

rock has been trending the wrong way for decades.