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In post 29, Vijarada wrote:nobody let RC be in any position of power PLEASE for our own sanity
overlap of being too tone deaf to realize that I was meming despite it being incredibly obvious + open wolfing as hard as it's possible to open wolf in secret hitler
I am not going into NSG meta but that opener is already ridiculously more likely to come from her scum game. I think she engages with me on her opener like 95% of the time as town.
Bujaber for President ; Vijarada for Chancellor.
you're townreading that post why?
I am not actually. He wants you away for a reason. Are you his buddy?
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Post #46 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:26 pm
Postby BuJaber »
Do you have a read on nsg radiant?
I'm townreading her. She would also be a good choice for chancellor.
Are you saying you would only be posting this way as town and not as scum? Because that wouldn't make it NAI, and weakens the case against vijarada. Has he played with you before?
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Post #67 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:31 pm
Postby BuJaber »
I don't think your posts or RC's replaceput is AI but for the record I didn't get the feeling it was personal when you said you didn't want him as chancellor.
But to be fair I didn't read the other game and if you guys got into a personal fight there I think it is easy to see how RC might interpret your post as a continuation of that.
I just realized harambey is president this round that doesn't change.
Pick me as chancellor. VOTE: Buj
Would be okay with nsg chancellor too.
But if I can't be president vij going chancellor doesn't tell me anything about him so don't pick him.
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Post #70 (isolation #12) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:47 pm
Postby BuJaber »
Of course picking someone before hearing everyone else is bad. Doesn't change the fact that I want to be chancellor and I don't want vij to be chancellor if I am not president. And depending on the order I may never be president.
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Post #72 (isolation #13) » Tue May 01, 2018 12:52 am
Postby BuJaber »
In post 29, Vijarada wrote:nobody let RC be in any position of power PLEASE for our own sanity
This reads to me like he has an agenda.
Distancing a buddy or making us doubt a townie.
Sorting vijarada might help sort RC slot. Especially if I am right that he is scum.
However if you take him as chancellor, I would only have his and your words to go on with regards to what policies he received. And since I don't know what you are I can't trust you yet.
So I don't want you to go with someone who looks to me like probable fascist.
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Post #74 (isolation #14) » Tue May 01, 2018 1:15 am
Postby BuJaber »
It's possible.
I mean we all know RC was pulling a gambit.
You don't ramble on like that and open the game up calling yourself a fascist and just being all weird and random just for laughs. He is either a townie baiting scum into calling him out (taking it seriously before anything even happens in the game) or he is scum wanting us to go down the WIFOM rabbit hole. He claims he's good at that.
The fact that vij claimed he never wants RC as chancellor based on those posts alone is really interesting.
Vij might be pulling something too I don't know, but I do know I don't want him going on mission 1.
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Post #85 (isolation #16) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:52 am
Postby BuJaber »
I actually read the posts but I do agree with harambey please consider not capitalizing this many words. It does make it more difficult to read.
As per the board game rules the first election there is no voting. I was only using it as a way to nominate people for harambey to choose. But he has full power here in election 1.
In post 0, Ausuka wrote:Once the President has chosen a Chancellor, every player (the candidates included) votes "Yes" or "No" indicating whether they want the current nomination to go into power or not. If there is a tie, or No gets the majority, then the government is voted down, and the presidency is passed onto the next player.
Here is your answer Harambey!
Notice the LACK of exceptions as well
My RL friend is a D for making up his own rule regarding the first election and claiming it as part of the rulebook. We have been living a lie.
No harambey the solution to that is to pick someome else you think is liberal. IF you're wrong about them and they put down fascist policy you can use the investigative power on a nullread/scumread to sort them.
I won't vote yes for vij. I think RC slot becomes easier to sort after vij is sorted. So a nein for that too for election 1.
Not sure about mallow & nico. Probably best to hold off on them for now.
Everyone else seems okay for the first mission. Would 'ja' them.
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Post #129 (isolation #19) » Tue May 01, 2018 6:52 pm
Postby BuJaber »
In post 120, Mitillos wrote:
@BuJ: I think you're putting too much stock to this perceived RC-Vij connection (as are others). Sorting one out tells us pretty much nothing about the other.
Perhaps, but since there's not much to go on before election 1 whatever reason I find to eliminate people from the chancellor pool is still better than a random vote.
Also I haven't figured out yet if it's a positive association or a negative associations. AND the association is void if vij is found to be liberal.
I think it's quite logical to investigate vij with the presidential power though if/when a fascist policy is enacted.
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Post #146 (isolation #24) » Fri May 11, 2018 8:46 am
Postby BuJaber »
In post 112, BuJaber wrote:Not sure about mallow & nico. Probably best to hold off on them for now.
So this is what I said. I suppose you're right: it's less clear than I remembered.
Let me put it this way. Everyone else's posts I just read past didn't ping me at all. Mallow's made me stop and hesitate. Wouldn't say I definitely felt it was scummy but it made me a little uneasy.
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Post #199 (isolation #28) » Fri May 18, 2018 10:44 pm
Postby BuJaber »
I'm saying I can't pick NM because he went last round, so do I pick one of the first round goers which gives us lib hopefully or somebody new to test them?
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Post #217 (isolation #29) » Sat May 19, 2018 4:27 pm
Postby BuJaber »
Just be careful with quick reads.
SS's predecessor is way too comfortable with reck and mallow.
If a president is liberal a fascist chancellor may not want to give them the investigative power.
Reck could have thrown out a liberal policy and lied.. etc.
I'm waiting for reck to explain what post 200 means
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Post #248 (isolation #35) » Wed May 30, 2018 10:46 pm
Postby BuJaber »
I got 3 fascist policies.
I don't think any of the people who went on missions have been overly suspicious, and none have accused each other of lying. As far as I'm concerned I need to investigate someone who hasn't played yet. The only issue with investigating you is that you have 4 presidents before you. Even if we say mallow and nsg are likely town and don't need to be investigated that still leaves inspi and SS that I would rather investigate over vijarada.
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Post #279 (isolation #40) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:42 pm
Postby BuJaber »
In post 271, xRECKONERx wrote:we could just not include inspi or bu in any future governments tbh
That only works short term. Eventually you run out of trusted guys because of the no repeating rule and if we don't sort conflicts out early on we force ourselves to go with a coin flip later.
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Post #282 (isolation #41) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:05 am
Postby BuJaber »
Correctly is the key word there.
The issue is less about failure to get the liberal policies and more about incorrectly choosing hitler for chancellor later on. Based on the first 2 elections I suspect it is much harder to read people in the forum format. Fascists and especially hitler are going to want to get into the townbloc. If assuming we shun another 2 people after the 2nd investigation we have a 4:2 lib to fasc ratio left we're basically betting that our reads will be good enough to overcome the rng of the policy draw and not pick hitler for chancellor.
We have a confirmed guilty here and another confirmed guilty/confirmed town after the 2nd investigation. We need to act on those.
In post 274, Mitillos wrote:Anyway, @S_S: You may well be positioned between two fascists, so it's important to get reads on you immediately. You said you have other reads. Any of them that you want to share and explain?
Vijarada's second post looked a hell of a lot like distancing and none of the rest of his posting has been impressive.
N_M and Reck are townreads because they could have burned liberals and lied about it. But is a townread for neining that vote and calling what I already suspected on inspir.
Also unfortunately I'm V/LA for the weekend.
I mean if you were fascist!NM and knew your chancellor was liberal would you give him 1 lib 1 fasc policy if you had 2 liberals? It makes you look better if you give both lib and it doesn't make a difference to you result wise.
And if by some chance he received 3 liberal policies as fascist he would never tell us he threw a 3rd liberal so we'd think we have more liberal policies left.
I personally am assuming NM is town for now while there are unknowns / more suspicious players around but just be careful with reads based on policies.
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Post #284 (isolation #43) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:22 am
Postby BuJaber »
That said, the first pair is much more telling.
Reck is pretty much confirmed as liberal. And mallo is either liberal or hitler. I doubt he's regular fascist because he didn't just choose a lib policy he also confirmed a liberal for us which is huge.
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Post #316 (isolation #47) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:08 pm
Postby BuJaber »
It's better to go with the unknown players. Unless SS is partners with the person he investigates we are likely going to know for sure that x is scum or that x is lib. If lib they become one if the chancellors for the late rounds.
And if x is scum we already know inspi is fascist so it'd be rarer to pick scum for chancellor among the rest of us.
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Post #326 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 pm
Postby BuJaber »
Before we vote obviously we need to hear from SS and just in case a fascist policy is passed we need to know who mallow would pick as president with the power.
So in effect we are not only voting for his choice of chancellor but also who he will pick as special president. Because the decision is solely his and we won't be able to influence it later.
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Post #338 (isolation #49) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:48 am
Postby BuJaber »
Nice try inspi. I take it mallow is your partner and you're trying to bury me with him?
My point was made simply to slow mallow down until we discuss the potential outcomes. If he chooses quickly people may vote on that pairing alone when we also need to vote for the possible outcome of a chosen instead of elected president. Fascists can turn losing games around with this power and they aren't even losing now they're even.
Plus assuming we pick a likely liberal for chancellor the only way we're getting a fascist policy is if the president gets 3 fascist policies 3 times in a row And THAT is literally impossible given that everyone claimed they discarded a fascist policy. Because of this if the next policy is fascist we know for sure that mallow or his chancellor are fascist.
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Post #345 (isolation #51) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:19 am
Postby BuJaber »
That makes 0 sense do you expect me to remember exactly how many cards were played and how many are remaining at all times?
And then am I supposed to not talk about the current presidential power just because it is unlikely to pass?
After all what do you think happens when the cards are all dealt?
They get reshuffled. We are in this 3rd power scenario until either a liberal policy gets passed 3 times in a row or a fascist policy is passed.
If you want to be the veteran who explains what can happen in each round instead of me go ahead. But I took it as my responsibility because I know the game well.
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Post #349 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:05 am
Postby BuJaber »
I'm more confident that Reck is town than anyone else.
I think NM is town too, but less sure of that than Reck. So pick NM now and Reck later on when we want someone we trust more than anyone.
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Post #366 (isolation #55) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:52 pm
Postby BuJaber »
No reck we need you and 1 other person we all agree on to be the 2 chancellors that we rotate until the end of the game.
If SS explains his math maybe it'll help because I don't know how he came up with that one.
And don't pick vij he just shaded the most confirmed player we have.
This is why the elimination thing doesn't work. We are now forced to choose people based on probability instead of having 2 confirmed townies. Yes there's 66% chance of finding a lib if you exclude the 4 involved in investigations compared to 50% but if we had continued to test the same people we'd have known at least 1 guaranteed townie.
I don't like mallow's attitude. If you're not interested in discussing our different viewpoints you're not thinking with a pro-town mindset.
We'd be in a MUCH better position if you picked say nsg or one of the people that were investigated instead of reck.
Considering inspi and SS both voted ja.. I'd trust mitilos more than SS at the moment.
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Post #367 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:58 pm
Postby BuJaber »
You actually have to pick either me or SS as president.
If a liberal policy is passed you know you can trust both people involved (unless the chancellor got 2 Ls, in which case obviously still uncertain, but somewhat suggests a liberal president).
If a fascist policy is passed I would kill inspi and SS would kill mitilos. If we don't that's a scumclaim. If we do the dead person's alignment would be revealed which means you'd know who was lying.
As for chancellor I think we have to hedge our bets and go with NM.
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Post #369 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:04 pm
Postby BuJaber »
So don't pick me pick SS.
Doesn't matter to me if you don't trust me right now, just need you to trust that I know the best strategy to win. The beauty of the calculated approach to the game is that you can reduce the dependency on correct reads a lot.
By PoE you'd either figure out I am liberal eventually or you will find enough liberals outside of me/inspi.