Mage Mash - Round 20!

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Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:53 pm

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Post Post #22 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:01 pm

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Three questions:
Does Tornado redirect damage that would be dealt to you, damage that would be dealt to a separate target, or all damage?
Ditto for Tsunami's "deal 1 damage" effect; who does it target?
How do redirect spells interact?

Examples for the last question:
A targets B with Fireball. B targets A with Ice Wall. C targets A and D with Gust.
E targets F with Fireball. F targets E and G with Gust. G targets E with Ice Wall.
H targets I with Fireball. I targets J with Tornado. J targets H and K with Gust.
L targets M with Fireball. M targets L and N with Gust. N targets M with Tornado.
O targets P with Fireball. P targets Q with Tornado. Q targets O with Ice Wall.
R targets S with Fireball. S targets R and T with Gust. T targets R and S with Gust.
U targets V with Fireball. V targets W with Tornado. W targets V with Tornado.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:16 am

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In post 24, vonflare wrote:tornado resolves before gust, which resolves before ice wall. Sorry for not including that info in the op, I'll add it now.
That makes Gust more powerful than Tornado :eek: :eek: :eek:
I would have assumed either
Gust > Tornado > Ice Wall
resolution or Tornado trumping Gust entirely.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:49 am

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Also, shouldn't damage reduction resolve after damage redirection?
Finally, does mana generation resolve before or after mana destruction?
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Post Post #44 (isolation #4) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:52 pm

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It also basically turns you into a glass cannon - i.e. a big target.
Nature's Wrath suffers the same problem; it gets even more DPR than Inferno, at the cost of making
everyone
mad at you.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:34 pm

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Faalcon should have FWA, not just FA. (He just used Channel Water a second time, so he should still have that Water mana.)
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Post Post #62 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:04 am

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Wow.

I was actually planning to use Lightning Bolt too, but apparently vonflare treated my earlier "tentative" submission as final and resolved the round before I could change it.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:18 am

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In post 53, vonflare wrote:
KuroiXHF channels water


NAME MANA HP
KuroiXHF | FWWEA | 5
What is this? Is Kuroi channeling or meditating?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:33 am

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Attempts to put together a team: 3 tries, 3 failures

Maybe I should give up and become a hermit
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Post Post #110 (isolation #9) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:49 pm

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^ Because that skull icon isn't cool :cool:

To be fair, Kuroi, you did threaten my buddy. I don't like when people threaten my buddies (as opposed to mere NAPs).
KuroiXHF wrote:The only amicable thing I can do is step out of any disagreements. I'm not here to back anyone. My alliances are for purposes of not attacking each other. I won't attack you or Harkonnen.

And likewise, I'm not in an alliance with Stapler, so I may attack him.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #10) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:50 pm

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Plus you were kind of "king of the hill" with that big pile of mana. It was making a lot of people I talked to nervous.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #11) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:08 pm

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^If you do this, I've been creating a revised spell list to address some of the balance issues that have come up in this game; you can use it if you like. I also expanded it a little.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #12) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:30 pm

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For the revised list I did nerf Mind Control (and Meditate). I also buffed healing/defense and gave each pure-element spell list a stronger defining identity.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #13) » Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:36 pm

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Steam Blast is tricky. I don't think it needs more damage, but as it stands it's useless for combined attacks unless everyone uses it. I think I'll make its ability more of an "armor break" thing.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #14) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:52 am

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To me, a Diplomacy-type free for all without the opportunity for diplomacy is just boring and random.

For "just submit my actions" games, 1-on-1 or teams is much better.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #15) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:35 pm

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Here's my idea for a revised and expanded spell list:

Spoiler: Revised and Expanded Spell List
NameCostAreaEffect
ChannelNoneSelfGain 1 mana
ForcefieldNoneSelfBlock 1 damage
Flame Arrow
1 Fire
Target
Deal 1 damage
Flame Aura
1 Fire
Self
Deal 2 damage to any player who targets you
Fireball
2 Fire
Target
Deal 2 damage
Rain of Fire
2 Fire
All
Deal 2 damage to all players
Inferno
3 Fire
Target
Deal 3 damage
Frostbolt
1 Water
Target
If target casts a damage dealing spell, reduce its damage by 2 and deal 1 damage
Ice Block
1 Water
Self
Block any damage
Silent Field
2 Water
All
All spells cast this turn fail
Icy Mirror
2 Water
Self
Block any spells and reflect them back at their casters
Freeze
3 Water
Target
Target cannot take any action
Healing Touch
1 Earth
Target
Restore 2 health
Nature's Blessing
1 Earth
Self
Gain 2 mana of a single element
Stone Skin
2 Earth
Target
Block any damage
Ley Line
2 Earth
All
All single element spells cost 1 less mana
Resurrection
3 Earth
Target
If target dies, return him to life with full health
Lightning Bolt
1 Air
Target
If target casts a mana generating spell, deal 2 damage
Gust
1 Air
Target
Redirect target's spell to a player of your choice
Ionization
2 Air
All
Deal damage to all players equal to half the size of their mana pool, rounded down
Tornado
2 Air
Self
Redirect all spells targetting you to a player of your choice
Drought
3 Air
Target
Target loses all mana
Steam Blast
F
+
W
Target
Deal 1 unreduceable damage; block effects on target fail
Meteor
F
+
E
Target
Deal 1 damage; all players lose all mana of a single element
Curse
F
+
A
Target
Deal 1 damage; target cannot be healed (permanent effect)
Purify
W
+
E
Target
Restore 1 health; remove negative effects (Frostbolt / Curse / Freeze / Mind Control)
Tsunami
W
+
A
Target
2 random effects: deal 1 damage; restore/prevent 2 health/damage to self;
randomly redirect target's spell; gain 1 water mana; all players lose all fire mana
Fear
E
+
A
Target
If target casts a spell with a target other than himself, it fails
Mind Control
F
W
E
A
Target
You control target's action; this spell cannot be blocked or redirected

Obviously this particular list was made with teams in mind; it might need a bit of tweaking for free-for-all mode.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #16) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:42 pm

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...That sounds like a really stupid strategy. For one thing, forcefield is a last-ditch defense; it can't stand up to a determined assault. For another, the enemy is just going to ignore the forcefielder and kill the teammates with mana first.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:06 am

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I tried to recruit Faalcon, but he never replied. :cry:
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Post Post #155 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:13 pm

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That mana list is wrong. According to my match history (mash history?) spreadsheet, the current standings are:
  • KuroiXHF:
    W
    A
    3hp (cursed)
  • Save The Dragons:
    F
    W
    4hp
  • Harkonnen97:
    F
    E
    4hp (cursed)
  • StaplerTowel:
    A
    5hp
  • Faalcon
    : :dead:
  • Felissan
    : :dead:
  • Rhinox
    : :dead:
  • gigabyteTroubadour:
    WW
    5hp
  • Thurhame:
    E
    A
    5hp
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Post Post #158 (isolation #19) » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:08 am

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Were you targetting gigaT (loop)? If not, then his mind control on you doesn't conflict with anything so it doesn't wiff.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #20) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:10 am

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What's the hold up? It's been over 66 hours...
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Post Post #174 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:15 pm

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Agreed.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:21 pm

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btw I'm looking for replacements for a game of The Omega Virus, if anyone's interested.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:28 am

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WHAT.
In post 0, vonflare wrote:
Gust (1 air):

Target two enemies. Their damage is redirected to each other.
Mind Control is not damage; it should not have been redirected.
EDIT: Also, Mind Control resolves before Gust. It should not have been redirected twice over. :evil:
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Post Post #190 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:03 am

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So if my calculations are correct, the board should look like this:

Actions
  • gigabyteTroubador mind controls Harkonnen97 to curse KuroiXHF.

  • KuroiXHF channels Earth

  • SaveTheDragons channels Water

  • Thurhame meditates

  • StaplerTowel gusts Thurhame and gigabyteTroubador

  • (mind controlled) Harkonnen97 curses KuroiXHF
Standings
  • KuroiXHF
    : :dead:
  • SaveTheDragons:
    W
    A
    4hp
  • Harkonnen97:
    E
    4hp (cursed)
  • StaplerTowel:
    3hp
  • Faalcon
    : :dead:
  • Felissan
    : :dead:
  • Rhinox
    : :dead:
  • gigabyteTroubador:
    F
    WW
    4hp (cursed)
  • Thurhame:
    FF
    EE
    AAA
    4hp
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Post Post #201 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:02 pm

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In post 197, Harkonnen97 wrote:
In post 186, vonflare wrote:Thurhame: FFEEAAA 4hp
hmm i dunno about u guys but i think this is our winner if we dont do something about it x)
I hope you're right; but a few turns ago Kuroi had even more mana than I have now, and look where it got him :(
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Post Post #207 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:59 am

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114 hours and counting...
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Post Post #236 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:45 pm

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In post 227, vonflare wrote:thurhame lightning bolts JDGA (what a meanie)
Thurhame wrote:Lightning Bolt > Harkonnen97 [aka Kuroi#2]
What part of that says JDGA?

Also, what actions did JDGA and STD do?
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Post Post #238 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:00 pm

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No, JDGA replaced StaplerTowel. KuroiXHF
#2
replaced Harkonnen. I attacked the latter, not the former.

And you still haven't said what JDGA's action was.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:26 pm

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quick-and-dirty status list

KuroiXHF#2: Dead
Save The Dragons: FWEAA 4hp
JDGA:
(no mana)
3hp
gigabyteTroubador: FFFEEAA 4hp cursed
Thurhame: FFE 4hp
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Post Post #245 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:46 pm

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You had two hitpoints and channeled water and I lightning bolted you.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:40 am

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That avatar is creepy :eek:
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Post Post #263 (isolation #32) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:26 pm

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My mana should be WE, not FFWWE, because of the mind control.

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