Nomic: The Constitution Game - Game Over

[Jake The Wolfie]

P to the A to the G to the E to the T to the O to the P

What does that spell?

PAGETOP!

[Jake The Wolfie]

Hey, do status conditions stack? Like, for instance, if I hit Jake with a Judge's Gavel twice, will he get 2 stacks of Unpopularity?

If you hit me, I'll smack you back.

[Ircher]

Up to date as of post 876.

Pending Proposals

1.

Proposal 453

(845) by logan5123: In any actions which requires a player to name a specific player, a player may instead name Player Conditions, which are a set of descriptors that target exactly one user. [Example: If Player L wishes to target Player J. who has the least Reputation and therefore dies faster, with a duel, but doesn't want to get on Player J's bad side, instead of targeting Player J for a duel, Player L can target the player with the least Reputation, which at that time would be Player J.]
Yea - logan5123, StrangerCoug
Nay - Ircher, Jake the Wolfie
Not Voting - Allomancer
(expired on 2020-05-09 22:00:00) time left.

2.

Proposal 454

(845) by logan5123: Players may delay actions by doing DELAY (the action) X, where X is a measurement of time, or a condition that must be met. Actions that are delayed to the end of time are cancelled outright. These actions will act as if they had been made when that measurement of time/condition is met. [Second clause is important: If this passes before 453, I will be making a DELAY-ed move immediately.]
Yea - logan5123, StrangerCoug
Nay - Jake the Wolfie
Abstain - Ircher
Not Voting - Allomancer
(expired on 2020-05-09 22:00:00) time left.

3.

Proposal 455

(847) by Ircher: Proposals and pending motions that are dependent upon other proposals or pending motions to pass cannot pass until the dependent proposal(s) and pending motion(s) pass.
Yea - Ircher, StrangerCoug
Nay -
Not Voting - Allomancer, logan5123, StrangerCoug, Jake the Wolfie
(expired on 2020-05-09 22:22:00) time left.

4.

Proposal 458

(867) by Jake the Wolfie: Players may queue up Proposals of any kind (Currently Proposals and Motions). Queued Proposals can be voted on, but cannot be passed as law until they are a Pending Proposal. They become a Pending Proposal if they are both at the front of the Queue, and a slot is open for them. They can, however, be failed like a Pdnding Proposal. The only exception to this is if all players decide to pass it.
Yea - Jake the Wolfie
Nay - Ircher
Abstain - logan5123 (869)
Not Voting - Allomancer, StrangerCoug
(expired on 2020-05-10 21:45:00) time left.

Pending Motions

1.

Motion M020

(861) by logan5123: There is hereby added a torch to the weapons shop with a price of 250 coins. When used on another player, 1 life (minus any life prevented from being deducted by armor) is deducted from the attacked player. A torch may only be used once; upon said usage, it is destroyed. When you use a torch on a player, it destroys one (1) random flammable weapon or armor held by that player, if possible. Wooden swords, wooden shields, and judge's gavels are flammable. This motion lasts 1 second, however, torches may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale. [Upgrade your stuff, guys.]
Yea - logan5123
Nay -
Not Voting - Ircher, Allomancer, StrangerCoug, Jake the Wolfie
(expired on 2020-05-09 21:05:00) time left.

2.

Motion M021

(861) by logan5123: There is hereby added a bronze shield to the armor shop with a price of 100 coins. When used to defend against another player, 100 life is deducted from the damage taken from the attacking player. This motion lasts one second; however, bronze shields may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale.
Yea - logan5123
Nay -
Not Voting - Ircher, Allomancer, StrangerCoug, Jake the Wolfie
(expired on 2020-05-09 21:05:00) time left.

3.

Motion M022

(861) by logan5123: There is hereby added a mirror shield to the armor shop with a price of 10,000 coins. When used to defend against another player, -5 life is deducted from the damage taken from the attacking player. After this resolves, the damage you take is set to zero, and the damage you would've taken is instead deducted from your opponent. This armor may only be used once; afterwards, this armor breaks and 500 Life is removed from its holder. This motion lasts one second; however, mirror shields may continue to be purchased until another motion removes them from sale. [The 500 Life? It's glass. What do you expect to happen when it breaks?]
Yea - logan5123
Nay -
Not Voting - Ircher, Allomancer, StrangerCoug, Jake the Wolfie
(expired on 2020-05-09 21:05:00) time left.

[Ircher]

Btw did the Judge's Gavel's status affliction ever have a time limit? Status afflictions are supposed to have either that or a post limit.

Regarding stacking... Not sure... Maybe we need a proposal to fix that. Though if it did come ultimately for me to decide, I'd probably say only the duration is renewed. That'd be totally arbitrary on my part though since there's no current rules that state to do it one way or another.
VOTE: Yea M021
VOTE: Abstain M020

[logan5123]

I would make a rule for stacking (yes 1 + 1 does in fact equal 2) but I don't know how I would word it.

[Jake The Wolfie]

I mean, 1 indefinite time + 1 indefinite time =/= 2 indefinite times

[Ircher]

Infinity + Infinity = 2 * Infinity = Infinity

Only Infinity - Infinity and Infinity / Infinity are undefined.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Yea 457
VOTE: Nay 458
VOTE: Yea M020
VOTE: Yea M021
VOTE: Yea M022

[Jake The Wolfie]

Infinity + Infinity = 2 * Infinity = Infinity

Only Infinity - Infinity and Infinity / Infinity are undefined.

Infinity is not a number. Aleph Null is. You may abreviate it as AN.

[logan5123]

I'll say this for you, Ircher:

Touche.

[Ircher]

457 and M021 pass. 458 fails.

Proposal 459: Status conditions cannot last for an indefinite period of time. Any status condition that fails to list a time or post count when they expire shall expire after either two weeks pass or 500 posts pass since the status condition was inflicted, whichever comes first.

That seems long enough to allow effectively indefinite status conditions without

you know

being indefinitely long status conditions. I just think its kinda bleh to get inflicted with a status condition and have no way of get rid of it.

Motion M023: This motion lasts for one second and is retroactive. This change stays in effect even after the motion expires. The following line is added to the Judge's Gavel's additional effects description: "The Unpopularity status condition lasts for 30 days."

I would like for all weapons/armor that grant status conditions to specify a time limit (or post limit) if at all possible. 30 days sounds like a more than generous amount of time for the status condition.

[logan5123]

VOTE: YEA 459
VOTE: YEA M023
Seems about right.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Yea 459
VOTE: Yea M023

[logan5123]

Ok so I was waiting for you guys to make a post, any post, but there... isn't really one... so I guess I'll just wait.

eh.

[Ircher]

I will be updating tomorrow.

Edit: Since Allo left, I might be updating Monday as I really don't feel like updating it amd there isn't a compelling reason to immediately update it.

[Allomancer]

/out.

Sorry guys, but I really haven't been dedicating much time to this game lately, in case you hadn't noticed. I came in here with a legislative agenda, but recently the laws became too complex for me to keep track of, so I just sort of coasted on by.

[Ircher]

Well we need a fifth once more. I will say though that this is probably the most successful Nomic ever ran on this forum.

[Jake The Wolfie]

That means there's an open slot on The President's Advisory board.

[logan5123]

Jake, while I have a bit of downtime, how's the 1,000 Blank White Cards game prep going?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I'm still waiting on 2 more players.

[Ircher]

459 and M023 pass. 453, 454, 455, M020, and M022 all expire from time.

[logan5123]

Ah. Fuck.
That's an obvious problem we probably should've thought of in advance.
Remind me to amend 408 to stop the timers if no players are able to make any actions. Actually, we might want to apply that to 202 as well.

[Ircher]

We tried that, but it was shot down. From a logistical standpoint, it's pretty tough to implement accurately anyway. I'd rather people make the proposals, etc. again than have to figure out the new times.

[logan5123]

I mean having everyone take a metric ton of damage because someone left and they couldn't vote is... kinda unfair, tbh. I'll make a motion to reinstate all the failed proposals and motions, and undo the damage in that case. Also I will make a proposal to ignore the damage, at the very least that's easy to implement (just don't do the damage)

[Ircher]

Oh we could make an exemption on damage. I forgot about that tbh when updating....