Team Mafia 2020 Announcement

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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:51 pm

Announcing Team Mafia 2020

This event will begin on January 2nd, 2020. This gives everyone ample time to get teams together and for those who wish to participate to wind down their current commitments.

Team Mafia is a sitewide event spanning five games. Teams of four players will be given the opportunity to choose four out of the five games to be placed in, and will work together to win their chosen games. Scoring, based on whether or not your team was in winning games, will determine the overall winners of the event. The winning team will receive a banner for their accounts that will be displayed until the next Team Mafia event or the next Scummies, whichever comes first. The tentative plan for the five games will be

1. A large theme, run by Untrod Tripod
2. A mini theme, run by PenguinPower
3. A mini normal, run by implosion
4. A white flag open, run by T-Bone
5. A small open setup, run by Micc

These games will be moderated by members of the Listmod team. Each team will be required to put a player in the large theme. Therefore, the number of players in the large theme will be the same as the number of teams in the event. The numbers in all of the games will be determined by the number of participating teams.

Application to Participate


If you wish to participate, please submit the following application to me via PM:

Code: Select all
[b]1. Team Name[/b]
[b]2. Players[/b]
[b]3. Briefly tell us why will your team win this event[/b]


The deadline for team submissions is November 1st. At that point I will make a PT for each team and send everyone the application for game choices.

Thank you, we look forward to running this.

- Untrod Tripod and the Listmod team

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The Lit TorchesCephrirKlickDeasVailBellaphant
The Four HorsemanPinekuriboXtoxmmastina
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Team "Team" TeamHopkirkHecticElementsJcras
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Newb Kids on the BlockgobbledygookMenalquebob3141EspressoPatronum
You Over A Disproportionately Small Gapskitter30mathdinoAlmost50jjh927
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:11 pm

HYPE

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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:23 pm

I would like to voice my strong objection to teams being able to choose who participates in which game AFTER seeing their PMs.

In the described paradigm, a player who is horribly, terribly incompetent as scum is functionally an IC in their game.

We want the winners to be among the best players on site, not the ones who have a meta that is convenient for breaking team mafia.

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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:33 pm

Why is this post in the Speezy?

Seems like a weird place to have it.


Nvm. Still weird that someone linked me to it and my alt couldn't access, but they can see it when I search my main's topics so I'm guessing it's an issue with the link.
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:34 pm

It's a global announcement.
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:37 pm

In post 2, Kagami wrote:I would like to voice my strong objection to teams being able to choose who participates in which game AFTER seeing their PMs.

In the described paradigm, a player who is horribly, terribly incompetent as scum is functionally an IC in their game.

We want the winners to be among the best players on site, not the ones who have a meta that is convenient for breaking team mafia.

I’d put that person in a scum game, just to screw with your expectations

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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:38 pm

Also: if the number of teams warrants it, we will add a sixth game.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:56 pm

In post 0, Untrod Tripod wrote:5. A small open setup, run by Micc

Not a Micro?

I now know how Starbucks Baristas feel when someone asks for a "medium" XD
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Yup, def pretty sure I'm retiring from Mafia this time...

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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:58 pm

In post 5, Pine wrote:
In post 2, Kagami wrote:I would like to voice my strong objection to teams being able to choose who participates in which game AFTER seeing their PMs.

In the described paradigm, a player who is horribly, terribly incompetent as scum is functionally an IC in their game.

We want the winners to be among the best players on site, not the ones who have a meta that is convenient for breaking team mafia.

I’d put that person in a scum game, just to screw with your expectations


Sounds nice in theory, but terrible scum are still terrible scum and it will become obvious very quickly.

I find it very hard to come up with a good reason to let players see their alignment prior to joining a game, and it will absolutely lead to players who are town by team composition.

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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:02 pm

Which in turn handicaps that team by making it so the only competent scum players on it get pl-d instantly because they're much more likely to have chosen scum. If a team wants to shoot themselves in the foot by picking people who aren't versatile on the off chance it confs them, more power to them.

Vaguely on the market if anyone wants to recruit me, btw.
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:30 pm

I feel like you guys are being contrarian for little reason.

It is almost certainly is optimal to have at least one player on your team who can't reasonably be scum, and this will absolutely be a driving discussion in games. Even if it were disadvantageous, it will happen anyway as those sorts of players will want to play team mafia. You'll be pretty upset if you roll scum against a Town that has multiple soft-ICs.

Outside of team mafia, you don't get to choose your alignment; this is something everyone is accustomed to and being able to deal with having either role PM is part of being a good player. Why mess with that?

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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:38 pm

I recall it causing issues in the last Team Mafia.
I'd almost prefer the swap mechanic back over people making a huge deal out of the meta of who would or wouldn't take scum all over again.

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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:53 pm

I concur heavily with the issues Kagami has expressed.

Also, why is it my Team Mafia Winner banner is gone?
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:56 pm

I'm open for a team. I'd prefer to be teammates who are ok with playing scum, particularly with coaching. I don't want to be presumed scum because I can do it.

Also, I'm going to be more laid back.
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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:57 pm

I think it's dumb

Jingle, suppose you're right, and Kagami is wrong, and you go on to kick Kagami's ass in team mafia by exploiting the mechanic correctly, then you get a fancy banner all year that says how good at mafia you are, then I queue up for a bunch of large normal and minithemes with you that year and Kagami Sherlock Holmes's me every time I randomly am scum and powerwolfs me everytime I randomly am town, and we are just mislynching Bingle d1 all year: I'm going to start to feel your banner is rather silly as an award that implies "good at mafia" when you won a event with deliberately included mechanics perpendicular to mafia.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:58 pm

In post 12, Katsuki wrote:Also, why is it my Team Mafia Winner banner is gone?

I have no idea. That is a zoraster question.
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:11 pm

So, given the objections, I think the smarter thing to do is just eliminate the possibility for this dumb meta argument and have teams submit a preference list for games and then be randomly assigned roles after they divvy up the assigned games among the team members.

One thing that I wanted to have in this event that was unique was teams being able to play to their strengths to some degree. We might give each team one swap once roles are randomized, since it would be a calculated risk that a team could take.
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:17 pm

Team Mafia banners were given out from winning through the next scummies, if I recall.

We did do role pm before selection before once and while it had some positives, I found the meta arguments to detract from the game itself quite a bit.
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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:46 pm

In post 16, Untrod Tripod wrote:We might give each team one swap once roles are randomized, since it would be a calculated risk that a team could take.



What do you mean by calculated risk? I might not be understanding what you're trying to present here, but an "up to one swap rule" is nearly functionally identical to "freely distribute roles amongst your teammates" rule since the 3 townies : 1 scum is the mostly likely distribution. You wouldn't have enough swaps allowed left to swap your town doctor and town VT or whatever but that's much more minimal.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"

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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:01 pm

A calculated risk of "The payoff of this teammate getting this role is worth the risk of some people wanting to play meta instead of mafia"
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:02 pm

In post 14, popsofctown wrote:I think it's dumb

Jingle, suppose you're right, and Kagami is wrong, and you go on to kick Kagami's ass in team mafia by exploiting the mechanic correctly, then you get a fancy banner all year that says how good at mafia you are, then I queue up for a bunch of large normal and minithemes with you that year and Kagami Sherlock Holmes's me every time I randomly am scum and powerwolfs me everytime I randomly am town, and we are just mislynching Bingle d1 all year: I'm going to start to feel your banner is rather silly as an award that implies "good at mafia" when you won a event with deliberately included mechanics perpendicular to mafia.


The fallacy here is thinking that winning team mafia at all implies generally "good at mafia". :P
Fundamentally different skill-set regardless of how the selection meta pans out.
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:04 pm

In post 19, Untrod Tripod wrote:A calculated risk of "The payoff of this teammate getting this role is worth the risk of some people wanting to play meta instead of mafia"


Making a distinction between the two is silly.

If you want to remove the selection component (which I think is fine) just do away with that line of thought completely (no swaps).
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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:12 pm

Elli are you playing?
Nvm got my answer over discord

I’m LFT or might start to gather up folks I suppose.
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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:22 pm

If someone swaps they're inherently drawing attention to their slot which is a decision they can choose to make or not.
If everyone gets to pick who gets which PM the game is just going to be meta about every slot rather than the few who decide to swap games for some reason.
Wherein the reasoning for swapping games could be a variety of reasons and less distracting from the game.

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:27 pm

I will join grandsons team
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