ScumChamps 2022 is over!

[Gypyx]

Clarification, just in case: you may not change a move once it has been posted even if your opponent hasn’t yet seen it or made their own move. Moves are final once posted in thread

Also editing stuff on my phone is awful, so I’ll be updating the table with scores once I’m back in Madrid

and in case of a typo, that's not allowed either? (granted i'd assume peoples check their moves, but you never know)

[Umlaut]

Datisi vs. Umlaut ended 0-1 by timeout.

[Umlaut]

and in case of a typo, that's not allowed either? (granted i'd assume peoples check their moves, but you never know)

While I am not in charge here, I would guess that if the typo is a legal move it has to stand, and if not then it doesn't count at all (meaning you haven't made a move yet)

[Gypyx]

Datisi vs Gypyx ended with a datisi timeout

[Menalque]

ah shit, sorry gang, it's been a busy weekend

I'll update games/scores/start new games later today

ty for the ended games updates

[Menalque]

and in case of a typo, that's not allowed either? (granted i'd assume peoples check their moves, but you never know)

While I am not in charge here, I would guess that if the typo is a legal move it has to stand, and if not then it doesn't count at all (meaning you haven't made a move yet)

correct -- please make sure you check your final moves before posting! treating a typo as kind of like a touch move rule thing

[Menalque]

I'm going to check in with Datisi and bugspray before I start any new games for them to check that they both intend to continue playing, given that they both lost all their games so far on timeouts. If either is dropping out, their remaining games will be cancelled and no points awarded for those matchups.

[Datisi]

sorry, haven't been feeling the best in the past couple of days

cancel my games, i do not think i'll have the brainpower for them

sorry

[Menalque]

Sorry to hear that, but how you're doing should take priority.

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Datisi's remaining games have been cancelled.

As Mist7676 also timed out of their last game, I'm awaiting confirmation that they intend to continue before starting their game with Gypyx.

[Umlaut]

I'm going to check in with Datisi and bugspray before I start any new games for them to check that they both intend to continue playing, given that they both lost all their games so far on timeouts. If either is dropping out, their remaining games will be cancelled and no points awarded for those matchups.

I'd suggest either awarding the point to whoever is on the other side of those matchups (provided they don't also drop out), or else not awarding points to the players against whom Datisi and bugspray timed out. I personally would feel kind of awkward about "winning" just because I had more opportunities to gain points than someone who got fewer games to play.

[Mist7676]

Sorry to hear that, but how you're doing should take priority.

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Datisi's remaining games have been cancelled.

As Mist7676 also timed out of their last game, I'm awaiting confirmation that they intend to continue before starting their game with Gypyx.

I still have two ongoing games! Just timed out (technically) one of them. Just didn't see Umlaut's move.

[Menalque]

I'd suggest either awarding the point to whoever is on the other side of those matchups (provided they don't also drop out)

does anyone have any objections to this? I'll make the final call, but it seems reasonable to me. I couldn't remember how it was done last year, but (correct me if I'm wrong umlaut) I think it was this instead of what I proposed.

48hrs to raise issues or this is what we're rolling with

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Thanks Mist! Just wanted to make sure due to datisi and bugspray being unable to continue

[Something_Smart]

That seems fine. I'm pretty sure in round-robin tournaments if someone drops out it's standard to award their future opponents a forfeit win.

Also, if I wanted to continue a game despite my opponent's time expiring, would I be allowed to do that?

[Menalque]

Also, if I wanted to continue a game despite my opponent's time expiring, would I be allowed to do that?

Yes, this is fine, but please don't feel obliged to. Last year a lot of people were, uh, very generous and it led to things dragging out a lot. If you're enjoying the match and you want to play it out that's okay.

Thanks for the feedback on the points giving too.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah, that makes sense. I would only do it once per game, and only if I didn't already feel I was going to win.

[Umlaut]

The rules as currently written, somewhat paraphrased, say:

• If your opponent has already made a move, but did so after their time had run out, you may claim a win/draw on time
  or
  you may make a move yourself. Once you've accepted the move by answering it, you can't later say "Actually I won on time ten moves ago." In this case, the director (Menalque) should not claim on your behalf, but should instead let you decide to accept the move or not.
  
• If your opponent has
  not
  yet made a move (and their time is up), you may at any point claim a win/draw on time. In addition, if the director notices, he may make the claim on your behalf. (Presumably he may use some discretion in doing this, if he has reason to think you'd like to wait a bit longer; but he will definitely end it eventually.)

Menalque can amend these rules if he likes; I don't want to suggest I have any special say in how this is run, I just know the current rules-as-written pretty well since I'm the writer, so thought I might clarify.

I suppose these rules don't cover the edge case where someone might deliver checkmate/stalemate after their time has expired, ending the game before their opponent can decide whether to claim. That seems... pretty wildly unlikely to ever happen in this format, and if it does then that's why we have a human arbiter to decide how to handle it. I think typical OTB tournament rules would have it that the mate stands, but I don't think that's any better or worse in principle than allowing the claim.

[Umlaut]

Something_Smart vs Umlaut ended 1–0 by resignation.

I don't believe I have any more games to queue for.

[Gypyx]

Gypyx vs. VashaNeurotic ended 1-0 in checkmate

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=89186&p=13346740&s ... #p13346740

[Gypyx]

Gypyx Vs. Something_Smart ended 0-1 in resignation

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=89181&p=13346782#p13346782

[Menalque]

Updates coming in later today!

Narrator: the updates did not come in later that day

Sorry y’all, had an unexpectedly busy one and will do my best to get all the new games and results logged tomorrow. Had about 3 hours sleep last night so I’m prioritising bed now I’m home

[Something_Smart]

My game with Mist has ended in a timeout win for me (black): viewtopic.php?f=81&t=89178

I'm ready for my final game with Vash whenever he is.

[Menalque]

Okay, I've awarded points for everyone who had a game cancelled, wrapped up the games that were completed, and I'll start the final match ups in a second.

I've decided to change one of the rules, slightly. Instead of there being no takebacks at all, I'm going to say that it's permissible in cases where a player requests a takeback on their opponent's behalf, when it's reasonably obvious that it was a typo. I think this goes without saying, but please don't try to put any pressure on your opponent to do this. The ultimate responsibility for a making sure the move is the one you want is always on you.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut vs. Gypyx ended 1–0 by resignation.

[Menalque]

Thanks

Nearly over now and we have the potential for a three-way tie for first which is very exciting!

[Umlaut]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonnebo ... rger_score

Just gonna leave this here in case you need it