Micro 794: Miss List II (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

A little bit of both?

Not_Mafia seems like town Not_Mafia

I'm getting better at reading him

Like how I pegged him as scum in gammas game and then lynched not-him like an idiot

[BuJaber]

Well now that we can talk about it...

No offence but you should probably sacrifice at some point. I wouldn't trust you to make the right decision when it's 50-50 win/lose chance. Two games now I've watched you peg scum and then make the wrong choice to the point where I think a legitimate strategy is to wait for you to make up your mind at LYLO and then pick the other choice.

[Mathdino]

EHHHHH
1 game was 3:5 in a heavily scumread slot, it's a wonder I narrowed it down to 2 choices at all given that other players had more than 2 options
And last game was scumsided as fuck, you know that

Tbh the only lylo I've lost that wasn't scumsided circumstance in the first place was a 4:1 game

Also in this setup you could legit just lynch me in Lylo and have me vengeshoot
Or agree to have me killed if I pick wrong
Lylo is weird in this setup

[Mathdino]

Wait and that'd total misrep
I had the right choice but then Beefster did jackshit for town wincon to the point of self fucking voting in Lylo
Don't pin that on my scumhunting ability

[BuJaber]

Don't make me feel bad I'm sorry - I'm just teasing you for my entertainment. I don't really blame you I'm just upset at what felt like betrayal at the time. In my mind we the locktown duo that were gonna secure that win for us.

Anyway in this game I think your TR on NM is sort of weak I didn't like the association in the first place so I disagree also that one of them flipping town clears the other. The read change on magna I can see from your pov though.

I think an NM flip here is the best way to go.
VOTE: NM

[Mathdino]

I mean as cathartic as it always is to lynch Not_Mafia
I think he's more than 50% likely to be town
And in that situation
Do we really trust his ability to shoot scum

[Mathdino]

I'm trying to wrap my brain around the actual flaw in just fucking lynching anyone on d1 knowing they'll probably pick right

Like does scum have any motivation to lynch town here on d1

[BuJaber]

I dunno but if you believe he's town then shooting now when there's 80% chance is the best odds he'll get.

[BuJaber]

Lol more or less the same argument.

But yes why wouldn't they. 20% chance they win outright at worst.

[Mathdino]

Yeah but that 20% chance of winning vs the incredible gains from distancing hard enough that they can win much later on

You agree creature is confscum, right?

I'm trying to figure out how to optimally play this if we have a backup confscum

[Mathdino]

I think cult and Chickadee are scum together...

[BuJaber]

I have no completed games with creature. All I know about him is from others' whisperings. But if he isn't scum he's still likely to be seen on the miss list.

That raises the question do we just lynch creature here?

[Mathdino]

If we just lynch creature straight up, we don't have a plan in place for who to sacrifice

So mafia will just kill the strongest townie

[Chickadee]

I have no completed games with creature. All I know about him is from others' whisperings. But if he isn't scum he's still likely to be seen on the miss list.

That raises the question do we just lynch creature here?

Creature is definitely scum here. His town and scum games are day and night.

[PantherPunt]

First page love mathdino for the instant suspicion of awkward bussing. Primarily because when I read the setup it was my first thought too.

I think there is some level of bussing in those very first intro posts but want to digest it more.

Hated the chickadee intro particularly for saying “not liking bujabr for defending nm out of the gate”...based on the thread feels there of mathdino going hard on nm manga tandem (and saying she likes mathdino) it feels like scum resigning to nm flipping and wanting to attach bujabr to it. To contrast to my mathdino read- no fear of bussing and just trying to make an associative on page 1. Feels bad

[PantherPunt]

No votes, you two?

Vote: Chickadee

I’ll only be phone posting til evening when I have computer access so don’t expect walls til then.

Do you typically wall post within the first page or two of the game?

Cultofathena- I find this a bit dissonant. Presumably, you don’t like or at least did not have an expectation to see a lack of votes by manga and implosion. Yet you vote chickadee, which must of course be random, right?

Then you ask magna if he typically wall posts (disagree with the characterization btw) first page which again leads me to believe you’re not a fan of it. If that’s not the case, why did you ask?

And if your expectations weren’t met / you disliked two things about magnas opener, why vote chickadee and not magna?

Tyia for your answers.

Also, dino, why did you like cult ooc? (I have minor worry I need to reacclimate to MS culture and I’m reading the game upside down)

[PantherPunt]

Ok

Spoiler:

despite being a little skeptical of cult with early read list, I liked the top of page 2 posting and for disliking same chickadee post. But I still would like answers to my questions posed above to help understand thought process and have a better read.

[Not_Mafia]

Why did you spoiler that?

[PantherPunt]

I'm not currently entertaining the idea of a NM lynch. A lynch on him would purely be policy, and it's too early in the day for me to consider a policy lynch a possibility. Surely we can come up with something better, based in logic and actions. I'd rather have a mislynch for good reasons than a policy lynch.


And all I ever said was I didn't like Bu's defense. I didn't lay down a vote, or declare him scum. I just don't like that he's defending someone on page 1.

Dislike whole post but really dislike the perspective and tone in the latter pargraph. Reads as “get off my back I didn’t actually call that townie scum or vote them” and think if chickadee is scum it spews buj town harder than it would color my read on Athena.

VOTE: chickadee

[PantherPunt]

Why did you spoiler that?

Sup

Spoiler:

In hopes cult will answer the first post before reading that post

Hope to see some sick HarryPotterMash-like unexplained soulreads

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_MafiaVOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_MafiaVOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Edit: chickadee is lynchbait, i don't see how any of this is alignment indicative for her so far

For posterity since I’m not taking notes anywhere...in case mathdino is scum I think this makes cult never scum. Reciprocal applies of course

[PantherPunt]

Math, walk me through *exactly* the logic for why post 4 means that Not_Mafia scum -> Magna scum.

Because it's logically equivalent to say that that post means that Magna town -> Not_Mafia town, and if Magna is town then that post shouldn't imply anything about N_M's alignment.

I disagree with the logical equivalency written here but don’t feel it’s nefarious

One town meaning another person is town does not exist in associatives. Only scum/scum or never scum/scum have logical bases. That mathdino backed down from it felt either scared or just self-conscious. Going to stick wth my holistic read and think it’s more being self conscious...he comes back around to the suspicion of bussing being real and that is the one thought that I can understand the logical basis for

[PantherPunt]

God I love magna in 52. Not sure I’m fully on board with the mathdino take but I love his mindset. Would be very impressive post for scum so good post either way.

I may read a bit and then reread to make comments later Bc I don’t want to choke the thread with post after post

[PantherPunt]

OH I FIGURED OUR WHAT I'M SEEING

The thing magna is accusing me of is literally the exact same thing I have been accusing him of

A hamfisted attempt to bus Not_Mafia

Scum would be aware of that i think

So yes, regrettably magna is town

“Regrettably” rings wrong to the ear here. Officially more suspect of math than magna

But my gut feels right on chickadee despite the thin volume that the read is based on. So I’m left wondering if math would soft defend chickadee like so if scum and I tend to doubt it but by no means strong thought

But of course it could be something as simple as notmafia/chickadee/creature/x player who has made a post I’ve found towny

Ok actually pausing from posting

[PantherPunt]

VOTE: Heath

I think it's Creature and Heath, Creature will reveal himself before long anyway

Holy cow this has to be mafia. And am inclined to think it means creature is too.