Micro 791: MCFM... Game Over

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VOTE: Iconman
Iconman is evil, but even way more evil than usual. I'm thinking either a scummiller or a cultist.

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Are we seriously RVS lolwagoning us?
Jfc. If you guys do, I will legit demand $20 from all of you.
Waiting on n33dl3 to reply to me before I claim. Rather not screw him this early into game.

Why even consider claiming on either l-2 or from an rvs wagon (well I say wagon, but it feels strange to describe 2 rvs votes as a wagon)

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Maybe I'm a 1-shot dayvig? Should probably try and stay on my good side.

Maybe you're unlimited-shot red-night-vig.

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Yeah, claiming that early would be awful. Unless you had some pretty bad rvs experiences though I dont know why you'd be so panicky, 2 rvs votes are like nothing.

I think icon is actually kinda sus btw, his vote looked like he was interested in pressure but then he unvoted like he wasn't actually interested IMO.

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VOTE: Generic Hydra L-1
All this posturing over claiming is scummy AF. Why are you so concerned with yourself and not scumhunting?

Btw, people don't even claim half the time at l-1 unless there's intent.

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Wait what. Why wouldn't you say anything when iconeum was softing vig? I'd find that scummy as fuck tbh.

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TBH, this role should be easily provable unless someone CCs.

VOTE: iconeum

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Uhhh, is this mylo?

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How many votes to no-lynch, aristophanes?

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What kind of setup is this?

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Okay, so there's no way there's another town killing role after vengeful and vig.

So given the game isn't over, I think there are multiple killing roles, and hoping for a crosskill is maybe the only way to avoid a loss.

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VOTE: nolynch

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I think if we do this, we shouldn't give reads either to influence the kills.

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So given the game isn't over, I think there are multiple killing roles, and hoping for a crosskill is maybe the only way to avoid a loss.

Although, only 1 death happened. So a kill must have been blocked if this is true.

Or possibly scum have already won, but there is something like a survivor in the game with as of yet undetermined win condition instead.

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Though doom was really my only townread anyways

BTW I think I'll blame this loss mostly on generic hydra, but also iconeum shouldn't really have shot a vig since that's a provable role, though maybe he thought vengeful conflicted with vig.

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UNVOTE:

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1 scum game would be more like an SK than anything else, tbh. I guess 1 SK + survivor might make sense? As long as, this isn't something stupid like that those all town/jester games that got ran earlier.

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Usually in a 7p though you just have 2 scum with high powered town however. That's what I expected coming into this.

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Unlike for a regular hammer, it takes half of the players' votes in order to succeed.

So this means there's 2 votes required for no lynch. If there's 2 same aligned scum the game is essentially over unless there's also something like a dayvig, however 2 different aligned could cross.

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I was expecting something like this but 7p
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73962
or other various 2p setups but that would game over at this point

Instead this is either something along the lines of (1 scum)
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74238
or (multiball)
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73497

but the former is unlikely IMO because 1 scum with town power roles and 7p wouldn't be balanced at all. I think no lynch and pray probably the best bet ATM.

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VOTE: nolynch

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I think if there's 2 same aligned scum, the game would be over.
I think if there's 2 opposite aligned scum, we only win through no lynch.
I think if there's only 1 scum, mylo is the good play anyways to get to a 3p lylo to narrow it down.

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geeettttttt dunked on!

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Are These The Speedrunning Mafia Strats?

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If I was town I wouldn't made brafin claim on page 2 into RVS and panicked him with l-1, haha, it's so refreshing to just string people up and watch everything meltdown as scum for once. Traitor is fun. My only worry was that iconeum was my scum partner and I'd have lost d1
I hope my partner noticed maybe the most blatant traitor crumbing and softing I think I've ever seen.

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Actually if I'm remembering, I thought my l-1 vote on generic hydra was actually a hammer but I miscounted rofl. Thought quicklynching vig then eating any remaining town pr roles onto me to keep partner safe in role madness was decent traitor plan here, so much for that though.

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I was recruitable on being targeted. Were you informed there was a traitor in your role pm Nyeo? My first post mentioned scum miller and cultist which I thought was pretty traitor crumbingish.

As far as I know d2 was essentially game over anyways so it was good to put the game out of its misery. I think the only way town could have won day 2 is if I lynched my partner, and I was never going to vote anything except for nolynch this day. Or maybe if she lynched me, didn't use strongman, and the kill got healed or prevented so she got into 3p lylo. But if the no lynch plan wasn't working, I was going to straight up scumclaim and ask partner to no lynch, since with 2 scum out of 4 people the game we can prevent any lynches (since they take 3) and we guarantee no lynch by ourselves. Would've been unstoppable unless she thought it was secretly a trick by town and didn't trust me I think.

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Oh, ninja'd.

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Strongman was lynched Traitor would have no NK and thus be prone

Oh, I thought traitor just loses if they're the last member like usual. Huh.

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Interestingly the game would have been lylo with Rask dead if I had them be "normal"

Though if I wasn't recruitable it'd have changed my play a bit too. I might've just straight up claimed either traitor or survivor. Maybe even have taken being lynched, since then it's 3 but scum kill falls on town. Though didn't know there was a strongman.

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Basically everyone should be looking more at d1 I guess since d2 was mostly a lost cause.

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Rvs voting scum before anyone posted doesn't count as a read

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So this was

Town Innocent Child (reveals when?)
Town Doctor
Town 1 shot Vig
Town Vengeful
Town Dead tracker
Mafia Strongman (unaware of traitor)
Mafia Traitor (recruitable, doesn't lose if partner dies)

Is that right? That's kinda an interesting setup, seems good for town if they massclaim d1. Would there have been daychat if recruited btw?