Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[CheekyTeeky]

Intent please claim PP XD

[CheekyTeeky]

Its Bird 7p not 2d3..

[CheekyTeeky]

Orite >.> my bad.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not participating.

In humour?

[CheekyTeeky]

Are you memeing NSG?

[CheekyTeeky]

Zzzz

[CheekyTeeky]

If there's 7 of us now and we mislynch today thats LYLO tomorrow right? Math you must be scum for throwing caution to the wind.

VOTE: Math

[CheekyTeeky]

This Math push seems tactical

Fite me.

[CheekyTeeky]

okay let's play a better game

say you were scum and i was all "ey dude i'm fukin vigging u if u don't come up with reads"

what reads would you fake

Mathdino locktown ofc

Ew. VOTE: Something_Smart

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I'm scum. Don't vote me I'm joking >.>

[CheekyTeeky]

See how useful that is? It's not right.

SS why did you decide to build up a wagon on PP instead of putting pressure elsewhere?

[CheekyTeeky]

the only players off-wagon were you and gamma

a quickhammer would be a scumclaim from both of you

Sorry this confused me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes that's true. I like fun. Winning is fun XD

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes that's true. I like fun. Winning is fun XD

So then if you're town, take your vote off town

I wouldn't be town if my votes didn't hit town at some point during the day. But fine..

VOTE: Red


Same question to you about your PP vote.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes that's true. I like fun. Winning is fun XD

So then if you're town, take your vote off town

I wouldn't be town if my votes didn't hit town at some point during the day. But fine..

VOTE: Red


Same question to you about your PP vote.

I wanted to quicklynch PP
(joke, I wanted to see if anyone would hammer since it would out 2 members of scum team)

How would a hammer out two members? Wouldn't it be just one?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think that's a bit too simplistic. Do you think Math is scum for pushing to L-1 and do you think I'm his buddy for giving intent and asking for a claim?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Mathdino For reasons

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep I saw Red as scummy too but don't think Red and Penguin make sense. I'm thinking Red/SS.

VOTE: Red

[CheekyTeeky]

no yeah obviously red and penguin don't make sense

at the same time red is producing more content than penguin

whose point i still don't understand yet

Since when do you think in terms of quantity vs quality?

[CheekyTeeky]

PP makes sense I can see his PoV. Red's leading of PP is the grossest thing so far.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: penguin

Let's orchestrate a quicklynch on mod

Oh ffs. What a bunch of rubbish.

Not participating.

Yeah, tactical for town

I read the scum pt and Im sorry if I was harsh nsg

Like come on how are you callig this content? His explanation of wagoning someone up instead of pushing elsewhere wasn't great and illogical. He tries to look like hes being serious instead of doing anything serious. He misunderstood your "seems tactical" comment, thinking NM was shading you and rushed into defend you - seems like he knows people's alignments. He scum slipped and admitted to reading the scum PT AFTER the day had already gone into play. Pretty sure most people would've read that EOD or SOD.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh just realised the scum PT would be different ignore last argument. But the rest is enough for me.

[CheekyTeeky]

i don't know what you're trying to prove to me

my ISO is also full of clutter

and no, i'm calling this content:

The PP wagon went to L-1 within three posts of the day starting... how hard is it to look at who's on it?

Do you think chweky is scum for asking that

Oh good you found him leading SS too

I wanted to quicklynch PP
(joke, I wanted to see if anyone would hammer since it would out 2 members of scum team)

Oh joking is the ultimate towny defense.

Id like to hear more from pp and ge and md

Of course he wants to hear from others when I'm pushing him.

It became L-2 after I voted, if there were immediate hammer after mine it would out 2 scum members

This is the irrational defense. So was it a joke or reaction testing?

No, I think you are town and I think math thought same thing with me while voting

So he's placating people and not showing any signs of analysing his initial reaction test rendering it useless

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His posts are too short, even cautious
Is this why you want to lynch him?

Leading exhibit No. 2

I was memeing PP but you never realized that

This is fine. Not AI.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Ia gree with that gutread, they were really different

Misunderstanding Penguin and voting for the opposite reason.

I read his iso and 2 worded posts just seemed odd

BS.

If I seem cautious it's because this setup is AIDS for the PRs most likely

Why

Yeah, claiming being cautious of getting pr hunter is opposite of being cautios

Claiming that you are afraid of getting PRhunted is basically claiming that you are a PR. But if you were really cautious of getting PRhunted you would not mention being cautious of getting PRhunted, because saying that you are cautious of getting PRhunted is basically telling scum to kill you.

Yeah, claiming being cautious of getting pr hunter is opposite of being cautios

Yes, aaaaand hypocrisy is a towntell.

Gamma is town GG.

Yeah or that is an excuse for scum to being cautious

Meh

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Maybe doc should out themselves so cop wont get shot or town will have an ic?

Yes doc out themselves day into D1 instead of trying to sort players.

I'm trying to prove his content is rubbish and there's more than enough for you to get a read of him on. Comments in bold.

[CheekyTeeky]

Zzzzz. Bad push.

[CheekyTeeky]

So does that mean you're scum WK'ing town Red or is this a chainsaw?

[CheekyTeeky]

it means that you're literally equating dumb to scum when i know you can do better than that

Way to completely discredit my read instead of providing any analysis...and coming from the guy who believes Red is anything but dumb after recieving training from God Almighty Mathdino. You know better than this.

VOTE: Math

[CheekyTeeky]

Now I'm looking forward to your argument for why scum Mathdino wouldn't push CheekyTeeky and a townflip still means you're town.

Pedit oh now you're calling him townier than Penguin.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah but after your misread of penguin yesterday one would think you'd be more cautious of his slot in general and not be subtlety pushing a PL on him. If you were town you would've been honest about your PL intentions from the start, since you love them so much.

[CheekyTeeky]

are you actually even scumreading me...?

I didn't want to as I realised I approached you wrong yesterday but you're so obv scum voting me the way you have today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hey, math? Is Cheeky scum? Seems like you are trying to state that?

you're fully capable of telling the difference between dumb and scum

and not being able to tell that difference was something i remember from BYM

I was scum in BYM. Pretty sure that's what he's implying. Funny that he's ok using meta on me today when he purposely didn't use meta to TR me yesterday. Lol EZ lynch. Gamma does make sense as buddy nice spotting.

[CheekyTeeky]

and i think you can be read by burden of proficiency, if by nothing else

That was always my fear and why I act all over the place/have added extra fluff to give my scum meta a chance. I don't see it here though.

Pedit I never said I wasn't scumreading you? You're officially lock scum. Mathdino is scum. Doubt = Zero!

[CheekyTeeky]

NM. No. Bad Miltalk.

[CheekyTeeky]

your playstyle reminds me of thor in a lot of ways

Please don't do personal insults against Cheeky

this is funny on many levels.

[CheekyTeeky]

Math answer PP's questions. Gamma you too.

[CheekyTeeky]

How is it predatory to put a vote down on a player that you previously had a vote on?

Answer this one Math.

[CheekyTeeky]

predatory is when an experienced rhetorically solid player pushes newbtown/lynchbait by using outdated tells

You're WhiteKnighting then. Red is likely town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Math straight up I know you're too proud to mislynch to have such a shite way of approaching me today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Math'll likely win today, but if it's LYLO tomorrow we have to find Math's partner before then. So you guys do the work I'm never unvoting.

[CheekyTeeky]

Town always wins with me in LYLO. Unless I'm scum. Which you're so certain of in such a BS way.

[CheekyTeeky]

You can't say my reads are awful until a game is finished and even then, I make enough information intentionally, not caring about my ego if I'm wrong so town is more likely to win with me if I'm engaged. Im one of the few that acknowledge mafia is a team game. Me saying I have 100% confidence that you're scum and leaving the town to fend for themselves screams volumes.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM. No. Bad Miltalk.

Do you scumread NM for voting you?

No.

[CheekyTeeky]

Red Math is scum. Vote him with me please.

[CheekyTeeky]

You're still scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

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Look at my ISO, ctrl + F "doubt =" check the alignments of myself and the person I'm scumreading to see how serious I am AS TOWN. It has a 100% accuracy rate D1. D2 is not so great for god knows what reason, 100% fail rate after D1.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wtf are you talking about I push everyone in good and bad ways. Saying I always make amazing cases as town is ridiculous and is in no way a scum case on me. You literally have nothing and all the BS coming out of you to justify yourself is what is making me so sure. I will do a pretty case for you when I'm done dping the family Easter thing.

[CheekyTeeky]

I just said I would?? Ok back to chainsaw theory. I don't self-hammer as town no matter how frustrated I am. Noone hammer until we can work out Math's buddy and I have made my case. Pretty please.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like you can't simultaneously argue you're great at d1 reads while arguing youve made bad cases as town and thus my BoP argument is bad

Stop warping my ideas. I said my Doubt=zero reads are perfect D1. And you saw for yourself my below average cases in the 2d3 so wtfe.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not getting lynched ever if not today and that's why you're pushing this so hard. There's no rush and no town reason to say it's deterministic. And you know what, you're not getting killed because you're scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah let's flip you to see which it is. Your push is worse than mine on Red. You're not being objective at all. Also my worst fear is that you talk your way out of getting lynched tomorrow. You're not this wreckless knowing it's Lylo tomorrow if you're wrong. No idea how noone else can see it. Grrrrrr.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like who is even my buddy right now?

[CheekyTeeky]

I will be trying to get everyone to vote you with a case when I get home. At the moment I'm not letting you talk shit getting me lynching today. I'm calling you out until I'm at my computer.

[CheekyTeeky]

Fuck off with your bs meta read. You can't meta me you've admitted yourself in the 2d3. You can't use it as a reason today that boat has sailed and you're twisting everything to fit your narrative. You're asking for votes with every post you make which I'm going to destroy.

[CheekyTeeky]

That might've been a plausible case if all of that didn't happen in RVS-pseudo RVS. Unfortunately for you you're describing my behaviour/reasoning as shallow when the phase of the game dictates the depth of my play. You also neglect to mention the environment I was shooting in the dark with when all I had to go off was literally 3 votes on Penguin. You're scum reading me for kicking off the game and your push on me was awful. I guess you've never seen me fight a mislynch before...sux2bu.

[CheekyTeeky]

God any more crap to load on? Now you're reading my mind and telling me I'm trying to make you anti-town? It's not my fault you've scrambled to cover your bad push over how ever many pages this is. There's a distinct difference to your approach to your tunnel on NSG vs this tunnel on me. You're missing two things on top of all the other reasons your posts are bad:

1. Zero conviction/hedgy explanatory waffling
2. No objectivity.
3. Too many town reads.

You're tunneling me like newb scum now. Anyway I'm home now give me a couple of hours.

[CheekyTeeky]

Er 3 things sorry...

[CheekyTeeky]

luckily i now know the playerlist and alignments

FTFY

[CheekyTeeky]

don't know what you think you're proving

Humour to your obv scum caught ass.

[CheekyTeeky]

OK here is some evidence on what I'm working on but it's getting late so I'll finish this tomorrow...

PART 1: IN THE BEGINNING

1079 – Game start.
1080 – NM votes PP
1081 – Red votes PP
1082 – Math votes PP

My first real post of any useful content is 1103. Before that point it was all memeing and joking and Red being awkward. I vote Math for being the last one on the PP wagon because I find that uncharacteristically reckless for him. The reason putting someone to L-1 in this setup is risky, as opposed to others, is that scum could quick hammer and still end up having an advantage like this:

D1: (9p) Mislynch --> NK (5p) 3 town, 2 scum = LYLO.
Then we would lynch the person who quick hammered and assuming that they are in fact scum it would go:
D2: (5p) Scum lynch --> NK (3p) 2 town, 1 scum = LYLO.

All of this would have likely given scum victory because town would have been completely deprived of any information of substance so chances are 60% that we mislynch and lose the game, therefore this is the optimal scum strategy.

This argument serves two purposes first as a means to suspect Mathdino and secondly to locktown all the players off the wagon. It also further backs up my suspicion of a Mathdino/Red or Mathdino/NM scumteam as they chose to wagon a player as soon as the game opened instead of using their votes to push other players and hunt.
[[Scum Buddy Tally (SBT): 1 point NM & 1 point Red]]

Another red flag for Math is; if we compare his opening in the Bird 7p vs the 2d3, you’ll notice any of his usual setup spec/optimal play rubbish is completely missing. His opening in and of itself is beyond uncharacteristic. We might even be able to flip his own useless “buzzword” onto him and say BoP implies that Mathdino is scum based on his opening alone.

1105 – Mathdino reacts to my vote. Tone is awkward, like forced casualness? And rather than respond to my accusation of his lack of caution in pushing PP to L-1, he dismisses it with “Can’t tell if RVS,” he also subtly implies both Gamma and I are town with his “I see my trust was well placed” comment about us not hammering PP. If the push on Penguin to L-1 was a reaction test, then the benefits did not outweigh the cost of town likely losing this game as a result. Mathdino of all people is smarter than this. He finishes this post with a deflection of attention onto Gamma “yo gamma do you have reads” yeah, awkward right?

1111 – Mathdino and NM scum team setting up a Cheeky wagon maybe? Who knows. Just highlighting this post for hindsight.
[[SBT: 2 points NM]]

Now to close this chapter, let’s think for a moment. Of all the players here who would Mathdino want to get rid of the most if he were scum? I’d say myself because I actually make AI content happen and most like PP because he is predisposed to pessimism with Mathdino. SS, Red and Gamma are all easily won over by and pocketed by Math. Funny how his voting is lining up with an easily predictable agenda. This also points to a NM partner as NM does not easily have the wool pulled over his eyes by anyone.
[[SBT: 3 points NM]]

PART TWO: BROS BEFORE HOES

1133 – Red pings me with his “I wanted to quicklynch PP” reaction to my vote for reasons easily deduced from Chapter 1. The worst thing about this post is that he says he wanted to see a hammer since it would out 2 members of a team but that doesn’t make any sense…it would out 1 member of the scum team (ze hammerer) because there are already 3 existing players on the wagon and we don’t know which at this point. Oh, but he also says the push for a quicklynch was a joke? Wat? [[SBT: 2 points Red]]

To Be Continued…(Yes this is going to cover every. single. MathDino post)

[CheekyTeeky]

Well every post worth mentioning which will be most of them after the 1v1 begins...

[CheekyTeeky]

Sweet you can blame Math for throwing the game if he's town, otherwise good luck. It'll save me having to write more crap to analyse his posts when you guys should be capable enough to figure out his BS today vs his approach to me yesterday.

[CheekyTeeky]

Just so you get why I exploded - still hammer me - it's when I get frustrated that I can see someone is so clearly scum and I get ignored.

[CheekyTeeky]

I can't give you a paragraph his bs is written in big posts so I have to show you how his big posts are full of it. Here's a hint - he's hedging my flip, saying I'm not pushing it, suddenly an expert of my meta and not objective at all.

[CheekyTeeky]

HE KNOWS THIS IS TOWN ME. So he's 100% lying and pushing an agenda.

[CheekyTeeky]

He said he's not pushing for my lynch, and yet every post serves to cover his ass and make me look like scum. The key difference is his confidence. His reasoning is waffly and bias. Like it's all founded on me pushing him for a proper read on Red he voted me for a bs reason and when I pushed back he's spent the however many pages it is trying to sell it and saying he's not selling it. Like I'm actually furious with the town people on my wagon because you guys aren't reading shit properly.

[CheekyTeeky]

Whatever I'm done.

[CheekyTeeky]

Glgl town. Don't fuck it up.

[CheekyTeeky]

Fuck off.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol your last post D1 was horribad PP. Gg gl with the next game everyone.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM/Gamma don't read critically. Had you had engaged try-hard players you'd be effed. Why else do you think SS copped you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Congrats anyway. Math you played amazing. Well done.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I know SS copped penguin - comment was at penguin.

Yeah I'd like to know what I could have done differently to persuade town. I let my frustration get the better of me and you took full advantage of it. Yes you WK your TRs but the timing context of it was so obviously agenda driven.

I'm definitely impressed anyway.

Would love suggestions on how to improve my town cohesion skills. I felt pretty steamrolled and I knew it was coming but my flip should've made Math the autolynch today or so I thought.

[CheekyTeeky]

i don't play scum enough tbh

but yeah i started modifying my play after you wrote that case specifically to not get caught on this shit. i was in full on town mode in lylo

I should've ripped apart every post in our 1v1 but I was too frustrated to think clearly and Easter was taking up a bit of time. On me for not trying well enough...although I get the feeling people weren't really reading anyway.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I'll tone back angry posts and replace them with well thought out logic in future. Although now you guys know my level of emotion is AI for me - though I rarely get confident enough to say doubt=zero these days.

[CheekyTeeky]

/prein NM

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah thanks EP, I had fun