Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[Mathdino]

Yeah I'll tone back angry posts and replace them with well thought out logic in future. Although now you guys know my level of emotion is AI for me - though I rarely get confident enough to say doubt=zero these days.

i was impressed

solid-ass reads for sure

the only player i've gotten that confident on is NSG

[Mathdino]

I completely agree that the responsibility for lynches lies primarily on those with bad reads

[Mathdino]

lol i just closed the tab for gamma emerald's wiki page

i was scanning gamma's and smart's completed PR games to see if and how they crumb

i'm definitely making that MD post on how not to be an obvious PR

hey EP i can talk about the completed portions of 3 in 1 right?

[Mathdino]

I should've played more vengeful and fewer lover's games last weekend lol

I have a couple ideas

Although wishful thinking really makes me wanna lynch penguin for that potential solo win lol

[Mathdino]

can you all give a ballpark estimate of when confirmed btw

[Mathdino]

can you all give a ballpark estimate of when confirmed btw

What's that

as in around when did you confirm your role?

[Mathdino]

@Mod:

can i talk about parts 1 and 2 of this game for meta/MD purposes btw

also i just realised my optimal strategy is basically to make sure penguin loses if he's scum

if we're both town and scum wins i still win lol

[Mathdino]

It's the only information I've got

Scum sometimes delays confirmation to drag out pregame

Although I can really only see Gamma doing that on second thought

[Mathdino]

@Mod:

can i talk about parts 1 and 2 of this game for meta/MD purposes btw

also i just realised my optimal strategy is basically to make sure penguin loses if he's scum

if we're both town and scum wins i still win lol

what
no you fucking don't

Yes I do

Scum win this setup, townPenguin and I lose

4 way tie for most wins (2) fucking over the singular other townie

Edit: gotcha

[Mathdino]

The rules were changed boio

In response to a question I recieved about playing to one’s wincon, I have decided to make the following rule change: the winners are decided by whoever won the most games. I will take full responsinility for any negative ramifications this change causes. But hopefully your win condition should be clear in basically every situation: your goal should be to win as many games as possible.

[Mathdino]

I think I want to lynch Gamma today.

His posts are too short, even cautious
Is this why you want to lynch him?

[Mathdino]

if you really think about it

the true win in this setup

is the friends we made along the way

[Mathdino]

i'm about 50% sure i've gamesolved

i need not_mafia to show up though

[Mathdino]

who are you tunneling today

[Mathdino]

you think you're funny

[Mathdino]

(you wouldn't be wrong)

question still stands

have you played redflavor before?

[Mathdino]

dude what are your reads lol

[Mathdino]

are you shitposting rightn ow

[Mathdino]

eh you're not scum with penguinpower so i guess i don't have to give a shit

lolsetup

[Mathdino]

from your POV the scumteam should be redflavor and penguinpower

do you see what i seeeeeeeeeeeee

[Mathdino]

if not_mafia were scum with penguinpower then i could lose by fucking up my read of N_M

but since he's not, any scumteams with N_M in them i could lose to and still win the whole game

[Mathdino]

wrong vote, gamma, you're not seeing it

[Mathdino]

except that's literally not the case and if you were actually paying attention you would see why

like, in a vacuum, there's a 1/6 chance of that occurring FYPOV

but assisted by reads it should be less than 5%

[Mathdino]

i made the worst possible mislynches yesterday smh

[Mathdino]

I am actually floored that you guys still think it's even possible that math/penguin is the scumteam

[Mathdino]

Okay look here's the deal
Gamma progression from earlier literally never comes from scum
I feel like I shouldn't have to argue this and I also feel like no one cares

If you guys can't also see hilariously shitty content like the above is scum, I really don't know what to tell you
He's doing the exact same sucking up to me thing he's done in both scumgames he's played with me
There's no depth
Etc etc

Possible teams:
RedFlavor/Penguin: RedFlavor is HIGHLY likely goon here. He's ignored PP and PP is lazy bussing him as standard.
RedFlavor/Not_Mafia: N_M hasn't done anything outside his scumrange and is kind of mimicking Gammas/my logic. But I'm also willing to fucking lose to this scumteam because PenguinPower and I would still win anyway.

So we have 2 options:
Lynch PenguinPower, hope he's the godfather, and probably win.
Or
Lynch hilariously obvscum redflavor, he miiight be GF, then lynch penguin tomorrow if game's not over.

If you wanna go with the argument that you can only win if math/penguin is the scumteam, I'm okay with you guys assuming that as long as we either hit penguin first (basically throws the entire game to me if he's GF) or hit redflavor and on the like 5% chance he's town, just shoot penguin.

Knowing I'm town I'm basically asking you guys to throw me the win here
I'd argue I did more work both previous games and thus deserve it more but idk if that matters
And if penguin and I are the same alignment then 2 of you win anyway (although most likely Gamma is the only one that loses. But he's also literally the only one of us that hasn't lynched scum all game SOOOOO)

[Mathdino]

@red: lol
gamma i know you've read redflavor scumgames

Re: Penguin: Only after my leading theory is PP bus. Solid.

[Mathdino]

1. GuiltyLion literally just lost a towngame we had in the bag by not trusting my read on Red. I've had 100% record of reading him since we hydra'd.

2. Polygamist. His strategy:
- Suck up to Mathdino
- Fade into the background
- Ask lame questions
- Scumread people for awful things ("Mathdino tried to trick someone into hammering")

3. JK9++. Look at how fucking awkward Red-scum is when he's trying to justify reads. This is the theme to his scumgames.
- Mathdino is town because he's efforting (wat)
- momo is trying to look townie because he is scum (double wat)

4. This game.
- Sucks up to Mathdino because I'm efforting
- Gamma is scum for trying to mislynch Dino
- LITERALLY ASKS WHY ME TWICE. 1631, and his last post this page.

Compare to literally his entire ISO the other two games.

[Mathdino]

redflavor is good as town and just not good as scum

[Mathdino]

as long as townpenguin shoots redflavor, sure

VOTE: Penguin

[Mathdino]

But he's also literally the only one of us that hasn't lynched scum all game SOOOOO

this line makes me not want to lynch anyone else

because your reads have been consistently backwards 4/4 days?

go read the case

[Mathdino]

the point is that in the world where penguin and i are both town

the scumteam is almost certainly redflavor/not_mafia (unless red is the godfather and i'm just dead wrong on you)

in that situation, penguin and i still win, and you're the only one who loses

which is well deserved

[Mathdino]

will spell it out further

from your POV, there are 3 options:

1. Penguin and I are both town. You lose. We win. 1/6 chance.

2. Penguin and I are both scum. We win or everyone wins. 1/6 chance.

2. Penguin and I are opposite alignments (doesn't matter which). You can't win, and you choose which of me and Penguin you want to win. 2/3 chance.

so if you really give 0 shits about reading me, redflavor, or penguin (and also screw you for openly not playing to this game's wincon)
then go with the most likely scenario

redflavor is scum, if he's town he can shoot penguin

alternatively, lynch penguin, who is probably godfather

[Mathdino]

so you'd rather i suck up to you in kingmaker?

seriously?

what does it change your decision making when i say "if PP and i are both town, you are the only one here who loses"

you're currently getting in my face about what's basically a made up wincon while openly not playing to this game's wincon

[Mathdino]

you see mathdino, the issue is you're being an asshole about it, if you weren't I might consider going after penguin but since you are I just don't want you to win

YOU'RE LITERALLY NOT PLAYING TO THIS GAME'S WINCON

[Mathdino]

like i don't know what you fucking want from me

i'm playing hard because i pride myself on gamesolving and i'm going to be incredibly ticked if i shoot penguinpower (as the full 3 in 1 wincon dictates i do) and you manage to not lynch redflavor in lylo just because you're insisting on actual gamethrowing

[Mathdino]

consider this

if i were mod confirmed innocent child

would you still throw the game because i'm "being an asshole about it"?

[Mathdino]

I told you why redflavor is scum
If PenguinPower and I are the scumteam, town CAN'T lose in that situation because you, Not_Mafia, and redflavor will be motivated to shoot/lynch me and PP
So yes lynching him here is optimal if you want to win 2/3

[Mathdino]

And I don't see why your ability to lynch scum matters here?

Like it honestly sounds like what you want out of this kingmaker situation is for me to call you a good town player

You got sidetracked by someone tunneling you d1
So I pointed out that your reads tend to be self centered. You're prone to omgus and your wiki has 3 mentions of being pocketed
Game 2 I my strategy was literally centered around "pocket Gamma" because of that exact thing
And now game 3 your lunch is based on who's nicer to you?

This is the same running theme dude
I don't understand why you play mafia if you're this apathetic about coming to a correct conclusion rn

[Mathdino]

why should I care about 2/3 if 3/3 is 100% going to be obtained by you/penguin
if you can present a solid case for nm/red I'll do it but other wise I'm good thanks

What? If it's nm/red you never win here and nm is just pocketing you i guess

Explain the situation in which me/penguin wins by lynching red in vengeful

[Mathdino]

Shouldn't have signed up then

[Mathdino]

if you're town we still win so

[Mathdino]

if penguin flips town and follows through on sharing the win then the game is just over

correct decision is still to shoot redflavor tho

[Mathdino]

gg then

[Mathdino]

You guys assume I invest in my scum games lol
Or my scumgames in broken setups

[Mathdino]

Like if I didn't roll the one role that can't get lynched I'd have bussed myself there

So meh

Last game not really mafia for me and PP

[Mathdino]

Also lol Gamma taking credit for 1 day out of 6 that he lynches scum

[Mathdino]

prove me wrong about what

i literally said that

you who rolled town twice over 4 days didn't lynch scum once

and that in the situation where redflavor/not_mafia are the scumteam

you would be the only one who loses out of the 5 of us.

but all of the rest of us had actually lynched scum

so in that specific situation

i was arguing that the win distribution was deserved

[Mathdino]

like you have over this game had sub-random reads

that is not me telling you you're a piece of shit

that is a statement about performance

i have had games where i have utterly failed to lynch scum

in those games, i don't deserve to win

that said
lol PP

[Mathdino]

'sall a game

the 3 of you in being literally unable to win were put in the position of kingmaker

so ultimately i was just arguing that i deserved to win for lynching NSG, cheeky, and smart

but i was mixing that with trying to act like town too

when honestly i could've just claimed scum and asked for the win if i wanted to go that route lol

[Mathdino]

like, fundamentally, had PP rolled scum and i rolled town, town would've won this

redflavor is one of the easiest people to read onsite (i was legit surprised when the game turned in the direction of not immediately lynching him, i gave you your case lol)

N_M/gamma essentially sortable by who gives fewer fucks about their wincon

so yeah w/e

maybe this concept can get redone sometime but not broken

[Mathdino]

i disagree strongly with the idea of subjective judging without clear lines (like gamethrowing) tbh

stuff like team mafia should be strictly dependent on number of wins, not things like MVP. i was asking for the win from you guys, not from the mod

penguinpower did in fact win this, but on mechanics that caused everyone to have different motivations than if it were just a standard 5p vengeful

i basically agree with gamma; EP can force replace anyone who appears to be throwing and leave it at that

[Mathdino]

like honestly the problem here was that there even was a single win condition

it should've just been explicitly "hey, here are 3 separate games"

and it can be listed as Three In One: Part 1, Three In One: Part 2, etc

like i feel like i won 2 separate games in this game, not "came in second place to a single winner"