Micro 800-A: Double Day Unlimited [Endgame]

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Egoooooo!

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Ill need to read this game I stopped following after the first few pages. Catchup incoming.

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For example, she keeps going on and on about how this is scum!Pine just attacking her without reason or explanation...yet I don't see a vote on me.

again, do you want to be hammered? Right now?

What the fuck

Singer and plot unvoted.

This is scum.

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where I flip flopped on which side of rc/mastina vs reck/chesskid to be on like 3 times

<3

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for the unaware she's mm4

Omg I love MM4's gut read accuracy. I had no idea.

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Singer, what changed between #173 and #194 that made you decide to vote for Katyusha?

Singer, what changed between #173 and #194 that made you decide to vote for Katyusha?

Basically all of her posts in between, lol. Since I started questioning her and not outright townreading her when she declared an early townread on me, it feels like she's using her hydra-buddy to justify a quick change of pace and a scum read on me.

Conflicted about this interaction. Highlighting it for later in my iso. Context is a singer push from Kat which is resistant to wagoning and CES failed to do anything with this, just went back to interacting with others.

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I initially reacted positively to it too (he's no longer doing the silly "vote for everyone" thing!) but he's still voting for 5 people. Like, concretely he's allowing a lynch on you or Pine to happen more easily without any accountability on his part and I can easily imagine both of you being town if he's scum.

Towny?

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Do it! We've got 2 lynches.

@CES...why do you think I'm scum?

@teams whose teammates didn't ego post...why not?

259, 270 point to CES/Singer not SvS. Unfortunately context for the exchange, of singer at L-1 means this isn't a hard clear.

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Yeah I still wanna lynch Pine

Town.
Ausuka also hard town.

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hi. I haven't been feeling well but I keep telling myself it's getting better. does anyone want to talk to me in particular about anything?

Singer lynch is still better and eir points on her were actually good fwiw

are you still scumreading singer?

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Singersigner was lynched. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Wow. Ok then.

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Pine (4): Not_Mafia, Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Dunnstral
Katyusha (4): Not_Mafia, Pine, Plotinus, RedFlavor

Someone hammer PIne

NM wtf even is this?

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UNVOTE: All
VOTE: NM

I'm ok with a Pine lynch.

Townread everyone except Plot, Pine, NM and maybe CES. Prefer NM/Pine.

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I'm caught up. Just need to ISO and relook at scum staying away from singer wagon.

Ausuka what are your reads?

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Spoiler: Dunn read progression on Singer

singersigner is leaning town, I liked their unvote actually (I also liked Plotinus' unvote)

@Dunn...Ranmaru says you should vote Flavor with me.

Thinking about it, but also thinking about voting you

I'm not confident in your wagon flipping scum though, I think you're just misguided here (how about playing the game yourself instead of relying on bad meta from ranmaru, for one.)

What makes you think it's going to be final with a whole second half of the day...

Also, what the fuck is agenda driven about voting...

Calling one of the people voting you Town, unvoting another person voting you, and voteparking on a vanity wagon by yourself.

Yeah. That passes the "agenda-driven" test.

Last chance to post a full readslist etc.

Can you talk more about this? Why would Singer be pushing me as scum in her position when there are other people with wagons on them?

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

btw

Why?

I also think she's looking town

Are we sure Plotinus wouldn't take scum?

I think the team is Pine and Plotinus right now

Anyway, this needs to happen.

VOTE: Singersigner

singersinger (5): Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Not_Mafia, Ausuka, Dunnstral

Lycan how confident are you in Dunn being town here?

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You'd know if you read a katyusha or lycan post

I read Kat's vouch for you and believed it too. The problem is that it's a meta-based read which ignores your actions in this game. As such I've collected what looks like reason to suspect you and am asking Lycan how sure he is after the fact.

I need confidence to town read you so I'm leeching from another town read while I sort people.

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Pine what are mastina's reads?

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I'm done for today. I'll wait for responses. It would be nice to have Pine and Kat removed from L-1.

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Like if Redflavor was town, Cheeky would probably have followed along with the game and tried to help Redflavor. Cheeky wasn't reading the game so...

I should have been. I'm really busy IRL atm and have been low efforting most games. I think not helping Red is what made him give up. We're very much town.

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The problem I have with scum reading Kat is that I feel like her points were valid and Pine's arguments weren't in good faith - referring to the cog dis argument. It looks like a tunnel with the lack of progression. The point about town not being cohesive is kind of irrelevant given it's a multivote game and Kat is at L-1. I want to knee-jerk vote Pine but I feel like this is too obvious? I'm open to hearing other points about Kat but I'm getting town vibes from that slot and even suspect Pine could be town here too. Is there potential for another? I think NM is open wolfing tbh and I wouldn't mind sheeping Dunn onto Ali if nothing further comes from that slot.

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Ausuka seems to be talking down the possibility of a Plot lynch but with Dunn, her and myself that makes it L-2 with the potential for a lynch there.

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Ausuka seems to be talking down the possibility of a Plot lynch but with Dunn, her and myself that makes it L-2 with the potential for a lynch there.

That makes it L-1

Alisae subbed in and instead of engaging with the game started hard attacking me on a personal level to try to disengage their wagon

Yeah that pinged me too. Seemed a little forced. I also felt the argument for why my slot is scum was pretty angleshooty.

VOTE: Alisae

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If Plot and Ali are aware of their meta, with one supposedly preferring scum more than the other, would it not make sense to go against these expectations when they're clearly both competent scum players?

CES what's your read on that slot?

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Nah I’m still trepidatious enough to want a Katy flip too

Unvote me

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Having x number of votes for x number of players would be an interesting game too.

VOTE: NM VOTE: NM VOTE: NM VOTE: NM

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Aw I got excited.

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her close associative with my second suspect N_M.

Please elaborate.

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VOTE: Alisae L-1

If this flips town I'm quicklynching your ass at lylo Dunn.

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If it's not Ali, it's Lycan/Dunn.

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gotcha scum.

UNVOTE: Ali
VOTE: Lycan

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Yeah like let's completely ignore the two mislynches Lycan pushed and how he's creating conspiracy theories to make me scum with lycan. Like read my iso if I'm scum lycan makes the least sense as my buddy. You might as well just scum claim.

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Fuck off? When did I say I was giving up? You're scum lycan, eat rope bitch.

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You should be crying for your shitty reads if you're town. You show no remorse can keep charging on dispensing mislynches. I mean to go from calling Dunn conf town to scum just to get the fire off you is beyond lol.

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Lol yeah go ad hom coz you got nothing. You're so clever calling someone whos very ill and phone posting illiterate.

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Ali I'm straight up not scum. If you're town here you need to look elsewhere.

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Anyways we all agree that town!Cheeky comes back to the thread after my 667, calls herself an idiot and does something productive with her life, right?

Wtf is this? You're selling me as stupid but calling me scum? Which one is it?

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VOTE: Alisae

You can fucking die too.

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Go fuck yourselves I'm not in the right mindset to be backed into a corner by scum today. I'll deal with this bs tomorrow.

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I think it's highly unlikely both EP and NM rolled scum btw.

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Ok since y'all can't agree I don't want to be present at Lylo unless everyone agrees Im town today. If you can't agree to that then I would like to be lynched today and for NM to be left alone tomorrow. We are mislynches scum have kept around. And I know the push on NM today is coming from scum. If NM and I are town then that means there's two scum in Lycan, Ali, Dunn, CES from my pov. CES needs to show up and give his two cents. If Ali is town Idk why she's not scum reading Dunn for the push on her or Lycan for the shitty mislynches he's pushed through open wolfing.

Anyway I'm happy to help you all lynch me today just tell me if you can't town read me and you better have a good idea of who is scum.

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Cool let's flip me I can't be bothered fighting you guys.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

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I'm not happy to be the lylo mislynch so just lynch me now.

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Anyone unwilling to lynch me is scum claiming.

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I'm not explaining shit. Im town, I'm sick as shit and trying to make sense atm isn't worth the headache. I'm probably going to be incapacitated for another day or two and I don't see why people are going to realise I'm town at lylo so I don't want to be there.

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I'm not replacing out. Just look elsewhere it's not my fault you people scum read me. If you guys can't solve the game in 5p then you should realise how bad your reads are atm.

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Not Voting (3): Cogito Ergo Sum, Lycanfire, Dunnstral

Lol.

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Ok so I've made mistakes. How is that scum AI? I'm barely coherent and Idgaf.

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I skim read and obviously messed up. I'm trying to contribute but am doing a poor job of it. I'm mad that Lycan gets to live after leading two major mislynches. I'm annoyed CES gets to live when BoP says he shouldn't. I'm annoyed that I can read Ali. I'm frustrated that Dunn is trying to look reasonable when he doesn't usually care.

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Anyone who tries to vote me tomorrow who wouldn't vote me today is scum tbh. I might find a replacement if I have to go to Lylo.

I swapped with Red because he was finished with the game as you could see with his lack of engagement.

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Ali, I'm not scum so it's hard to take you seriously.

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VOTE: CES

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It might be better if we no lynch actually.

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VOTE: No lynch

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Oh it's Lycan. I'm going to L-1 that unless town has reason to see otherwise?

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trying to get votes with 4 people alive is awful, having 2 of those being cheekyteeky/nm that will only vote in lycan/ces is worse, so no we're not doing that. If you want to talk about why you 2 think CES is scum I'm listening, cheeky do you still think it can be Lycan?

Can you remind me why it's not?

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Ok.

UNVOTE: All

I'm feeling much better today after dying from a stomach flu for the past few days so I'm able to put some real time into the game today. I will do so in a few hours so please no voting until I get a chance to say my piece.

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I do have to say that Lycan was the only person off the Alisae wagon, whilst I agree that singer seemed like the right push D1, Pine felt too obvious, I think I remember Kat saying his scum game is good but his town game is mediocre, following that idea she/they should've come to the conclusion that this is not Pines scum game. Instead of trying to see Pines tunnel as a town tunnel they were completely compromised by an agenda to omgus tunnel him in return. When we look at the replace out - Kat's reason for doing so was pretty meh and in the context of being death tunneled by town...she was then replaced by Lycan who came in super stiff - like he was trying to look town instead of being town. Lycan is now pushing me for being incoherent which is the worst reason they've had to tunnel someone yet. A part of me wants to say that this is Kat's town game, based on activity alone, like if she is scum, they've opened wolfed the whole game and I have no idea what Kat/Dunn's scum ranges are.

CES has been quietly following along all game, has been subtly pushing wagons and even kinda felt down for mislynching singer. That is the obvious occams razor wolf.

NM is almost always mislynch bait, if they both got scum role PMs I'd be surprised. I have to look into his play closer but I honestly struggle to read the dude.

Dunn I have issue with taking charge and starting to possibly bus Ali but then flipped at the first opportunity only to come back to the wagon later. Also I don't think scum!Ali is silly enough to locktown two players at L-1 going to LYLO so knowing I'm town means it's likely Dunn is a wolf through the perspective of scum play. I also dislike his insistance to lead the day without going for the optimal no-lynch. This is an argument for why we should no-lynch, because CES believes Dunn is the kill...what if he's not? And why is Lycan left out of the 4p mix in the D3 equation?

Any these are my thoughts before I actually ISO dig everyone of you and come to a conclusion that does involve all of you being scum.

Anyone's TRs being shared with reasons - along with scum reads - would help a lot.

I'll be posting again when I'm done. I'm being as transparent as possible and am willing to listen to others while I hunt.


Pedit ok started this post before Dunn posted then put my girl to bed. Will read your posts in a bit.

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Like me and Plot have worked together to solve and put a lot of content in the thread.
No one has bothered to really read into that they just said we're wolves for not engaging.
That's reasoning that's really easy for a wolf to stick and hold onto because it allows them to have to avoid any real evaluation and it just looks good as a reason.

I don't think there's anything wolfy about pointing out that your slot didn't really engage with the central things happening in the game from something like page 10 to page 20. Plot barely touched the singerlynch and has mostly just let the Katya-Pine duelling wagons happen without much of an effort to influence things beyond an annoying fake hammer. It certainly doesn't reflect badly on Dunn.

If Plot and Ali are aware of their meta, with one supposedly preferring scum more than the other, would it not make sense to go against these expectations when they're clearly both competent scum players?

CES what's your read on that slot?

CES interaction with Ali/Plot here is ? He's more commentating/mediating than trying to get a read?

He never answered my question btw, just double checked.

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When I looked at CES' ISO it felt like I was just kinda nodding along at everything he said? Like, I can't point at anything and say "This is definitely town" but I do feel that in general his ISO is pretty towny and he hasn't done anything scummy.

Ausuka also said this. Aren't scum supposed to blend in with town, rather than find scum? I need to double check EOD interactions between CES/Alisae.

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No.

And they are town because?

I don't know what to make of this. I'll admit now that associations aren't my strong suit. It's easier if I just find the scummiest person here.

I think it's highly unlikely both EP and NM rolled scum btw.

This is a Gambler’s Fallacy.

I don't think you'd highlight this about your buddy in that spot???

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Ploti doesn’t like scum, right?

If the above it’s true it might actually be Pine/CES

You feel legit so far, Dunn and ausuka are obvtown, singer is townie, rf is apparently town by meta i’ll trust in

So sure after like last minute reads and some discussion i’m no longer opposing this

Hmm. Ok this looks pretty townie. I see scum trying not to back themselves into a corner like this by clearing most people as town.

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If pine flipped scum for sake of argument then

Off the top of my head, you

That's so NM right. Why would scum want to aggravate people that aren't scum reading them? Also NM is still scum reading that slot and has wanted it dead most of the game...He seems pretty certain there's 1 scum in Lycan/Pine so it makes sense he's still pushing that I guess.

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Pine (4): RedFlavor, Plotinus, Not_Mafia, singersinger

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

HMmmmMM

Singersinger, do you think Pine deserves to be at L-1?

intent to hammer Pine

UNVOTE: Pine
Dunnstral, can you talk some about what happened between 93 and 98? Did you do intent to hammer because of your post to singer or something else?

Well I wasn't really planning on hammering him, I wanted to see if people would unvote or if nothing would happen (also it got pine talking)

God this is scummy as shit Dunn. You're saved by Plot pushing you in a mechanical way, plus being completely unaware of how scummy you're being.

Which means if Lycan is town and Dunn is town then scum is in NM/CES and I have to figure out how to read naked votes and see behind towny posts. Ngl I'm likely to come to the conclusion CES is scum because I'm somewhat conf. biased.

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VOTE: Pine
VOTE: Katyusha
VOTE: RedFlavour
VOTE: Plotinus

Please don't say wagonomics

Wagonomics = NM town. *Bows*

Ok CES is now scum by PoE. I'm either voting CES or No lynch. Im open to hearing arguments for town CES.

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CES interaction with Ali/Plot here is ? He's more commentating/mediating than trying to get a read?

He never answered my question btw, just double checked.

I was going for a more conversational tone (note the use of "wolfy"!) because I assumed (incorrectly) that there was some substance behind all of Ali's bluster. I mean, Plotinus had lots of detailed thoughts and replaced out citing an inability to express himself.

Ok thanks for showing up. Why do you scum read myself and NM? Conversely, why do you town read Lycan/Dunn?

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Oooo this is where it gets exciting.

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Wagonomics = NM town. *Bows*

Mucho compelling.

You're just trawling for reasons to call not_mafia town because pushing me is obviously the better strategic move (or no lynch, but that's obviously not happening). You're even still pushing the Gambler's Fallacy point.

Vote: Cheeky

Yes, I also forewarned that this was going to happen because a) I can't read NM very well (though every time I've town read him I've been right) and b) I'm pretty conf. biased you're scum.

I'll use gambler's fallacy all I like, the fact that I'm sticking to such a crappy argument (a literal logical fallacy) to back my read should read a town to someone of your calibre.

What happened to your conversational tone? I was hoping to discuss reads but if you're going to make it this easy I'm fine with that. Calling it shading is a moot point considering I've shaded everyone here at some stage or another.

Explain to me why your play can't be read through Burden of Proficiency?

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I'd appreciate it if someone looked at CES/Ali EOD and told me what they thought.

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You're just trawling for reasons to call not_mafia town because pushing me is obviously the better strategic move

Really? I think the strategic move for scum me is to push an NM lynch no? That would be an easy lynch with both you and Dunn scum reading him prior to my digging right?

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Pine is saying it’s scummy that I’m not voting him while scumreading him while he’s a l-1

????

Singer and plot unvoted.

Explain this? How is this a good time to be observational? This is what I mean about subtly pushing wagons. You know Kat and Pine are having a massive 1v1, and you're clearly watching the thread seeing as you're keeping up with the vote count, but rather than give a stance on either player you just point out the vote count, further exacerbating Pine's scum read on Kat (and possibly others' suspicion too) whilst doing nothing to help Kat see why she could've been in the wrong.

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For example, she keeps going on and on about how this is scum!Pine just attacking her without reason or explanation...yet I don't see a vote on me.

again, do you want to be hammered? Right now?

What the fuck

Singer and plot unvoted.

This is scum.

Both of these posts felt like feeding fuel to the fire at the time. I was wrong on singer but I'm almost 100% sure I'm not wrong on you.

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Oh...I keep thinking it's Mylo. And would I look worse? Why is my push on you scummy? I'm keeping communication with you open and pushing you hard as my biggest lead. If I'm wrong please help me see it by giving your stances and trying to work with me to solve

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You seemed to ask Plot a lot of questions that you neglected to follow up with Ali.

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Ok I'm going to write my case in the morning you can decide if it's scummy or not. I've been talking with Red and he's agreeing with Dunn/Lycan being town (moreso Dunn than Lycan).

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Why is Not_Mafia scummy? Help me see it.

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I've been pretty clear that I'm not sure, find him hard to read, so I'm asking why you guys are so sure or are we just deferring to a lazy "he's done nothing towny" lynch. I'm honestly scared that I could be wrong but I don't see evidence to believe I am. I mean Kat read him as town, noone seemed to have a problem with him (except maybe Pine but look at his Plot read) until late game, which leads me to believe he's likely been left as mislynch bait. The one thing that could be considered scummy was his multivoting but even then, why would he openly draw attention to himself like that?

Ive read CES's ISO like 4 times now and I can see him manipulating Lycan slot since early game, subtly and sometimes not so subtly encouraging wagons. Sure he has posts with Plot that could be considered unlikely buddies but they're really not too deep and they happened at a time Plot was lurking out to be replaced, so if there's daytalk it wouldn't have been hard to orchestrate the distancing and it explains the lack of follow up with Ali. It also explains why he thinks Dunn is being shot and left Lycan out of the f4 equation in the instance of a NL. If he's been pocketing Lycan, he wouldn't want him dead at Lylo. So Idk I'm just convinced we need to get rid of CES at some point, hopefully now, which makes me overlook lynchbait NM.

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I could only really see Dunn being scum with you.

CES can you explain coming to this conclusion with Alisae?

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I think there's been a reasonable amount of suspicion on not_mafia; I've certainly been suspicious of him. I think partly that hasn't developed as much because the not_mafia wagon has never had the benefit of the "free" not_mafia vote to jumpstart it.

There's a couple of problems with this.

First you have avoided explaining why you think NM is scummy, secondly it leads to another point that you've actually failed to take strong stances on anyone this game apart from your town read on Lycan. It reads as if you're leaving all your options open, without leaving yourself open to criticism. You have a few posts that look like questions to sort people yet you don't seem to go anywhere with what few questions you have posed.

Your grounds for scum reading me aren't strong either and are outweighed by the fact that you're neglecting to treat Red/me objectively. To take all our content and sum up your scum case on us as a stubborn/unfounded town read on NM, makes me think you're looking for reasons to scum read us rather than trying to fairly discern our alignment.

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I think my play this game has been pretty straightforward, so I don't know what you're talking about beyond your earlier comment on my #158 and I think #813 should put that argument to bed.

No. Those two arguments are unrelated. I'm pointing out your interactions with Lycan in general. I'm phoneposting so you only get linked quotes if I think its worth it. At the time your ISO consisted of 32 posts so it's not hard for others to see this manipulation for themselves.

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I haven't talked about any of that.

My apologies I confused that part with Lycan. The rest still holds.

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I think if NM was scum he'd be pushing for my lynch in some way. Currently he's backed himself into calling either Lycan or CES scum. I don't see why scum NM would do that when having x player plus me as his PoE pool would be easier to achieve. Say we lynched CES and he flipped town...how would he expect to win at LyLo with everyone suspecting him, trying to lynch Lycan?

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If you guys do some VCA it becomes obvious NM is town. He town reads people or unvotes them as his reads progress. The VCA also says Dunn and Lycan can't be scum with Ali. NM has town read dunn from the start. I don't see how we can lose at this point if we just lynch CES. If I'm wrong I'll reevaluate if I'm alive at Lylo for my PoV it has to be CES or NM and I'm not feeling NM from all the reasons I've stated. Whoever ends up at Lylo if we get there will make it obvious who is scum. I want to try CES first because I'm not confident you guys will vote him if he's still alive tomorrow.

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VOTE: CES L-1

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If Dunn/Me/NM are alive it's NM
If Dunn/Lycan are alive together in any combo it's one of them.

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why are you and i the only nightkills you think will happen? and if nm is obvtown, why not him?

I've given my thoughts on combos that point to someone being scum but I'm keeping some thoughts close to my chest so the NK WIFOM is easier to read. I think anyone is a valid NK.

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stating L-1 with 3 to lynch with NM on the wagon

Not sure what the point of this post was.

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Right. I don't see how at SOD CES was a conceivable lynch.

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Where is Dunn?

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Swinging?

If you're so convinced, why are you not voting him?

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Lmao. I've claimed scum nowhere and unfortunately for us, people familiar with my meta know I've obv towned. Theres a reason I hate playing scum and it's because I'm well outside of my scum range rn.

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good luck getting Dunn or NM to vote me here. Feel free to actually give reasons at any point.

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One of you two are game throwing right now. One of you two are scum. If you want to look over my scum games I only have 3, you'll see this is not my scum meta at all and everything I've done has been with the intent to solve this game. It's actually really annoying to put this much effort in to have you make this a losable game by not lock-towning me. If you lynch me and NM is town you lose. This is why I wanted to be lynched yesterday because I saw it coming a mile away.

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Actually I have 4 scum games, I'm trying to think one of them didn't happen. Im happy to provide links. I'm happy to answer questions.

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I'm cryptic because if I'm wrong on CES you're most likely scum Lycan.

It would be funny if you were town who mislynched two players, stayed off the scum wagon, mislynched me and still had people town read you. I'm not the person you need to convince I'm scum when I know I'm not. You're going to need to appeal to Dunn or NM.

I gave CES more than enough interactions to figure out his alignment, while trying to make mine easy to figure out. Now I'm ready to lynch, and since neither of you seem to care about trying to figure out my alignment I'm done for today. Glgl.

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NM if it's you I'm never defending you again

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He'll have really have gotten you good by not acknowledging anything you've said

This is the norm lol. Games we're in together, he hardly talks to me and I end up secondhand defending him by scumreading everyone around him. It's easier to ascertain his alignment in single vote games. This is close to unreadable but I'm not convinced he's scum. I might be depending on who's alive tomorrow but for now I just want CES gone. I'm actually not that worried about town losing if the lynch today is me or NM anymore because I think there's enough info for town not to screw up the game now. Although I thought that about the other game too

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I'm ignoring Lycan until he votes tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

How does the VCA say Lycan can't be scum with Ali anyway?

If you look at Plot on Kat it looks like Plot was gunning for a Kat lynch. It could be bussing but it doesn't really look that way. The outcome of today/tonight should confirm who's scum at LyLo.

[CheekyTeeky]

I have no votes

You're voting CES

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh yeah you have no votes on you. Funny that with people going blah blah it's NM.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunn can you give some thoughts please and maybe vote?

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm ignoring Lycan until he votes tbh.

VOTE: Not Mafia

I'm cryptic because if I'm wrong on CES you're most likely scum Lycan.

It would be funny if you were town who mislynched two players, stayed off the scum wagon, mislynched me and still had people town read you. I'm not the person you need to convince I'm scum when I know I'm not. You're going to need to appeal to Dunn or NM.

I gave CES more than enough interactions to figure out his alignment, while trying to make mine easy to figure out. Now I'm ready to lynch, and since neither of you seem to care about trying to figure out my alignment I'm done for today. Glgl.

If you guys do some VCA it becomes obvious NM is town. He town reads people or unvotes them as his reads progress. The VCA also says Dunn and Lycan can't be scum with Ali. NM has town read dunn from the start. I don't see how we can lose at this point if we just lynch CES. If I'm wrong I'll reevaluate if I'm alive at Lylo for my PoV it has to be CES or NM and I'm not feeling NM from all the reasons I've stated. Whoever ends up at Lylo if we get there will make it obvious who is scum. I want to try CES first because I'm not confident you guys will vote him if he's still alive tomorrow.

Which is it.

Both. They're not mutually exclusive. I can use VCA as a means to get more info, but it's one of many factors to consider. As I said to Dunn, Plot voting you could be bussing, your voting in itself is scummy af. Plot trying to lynch you D1 is the only thing saving you from a VCA PoV.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway like I said, and will continue to say, the final pieces will fall into place for town depending on who's lynched and killed. I'm ready to wrap today up.

[CheekyTeeky]

What bus?

[CheekyTeeky]

Lycan if you keep being an idiot I'm going to vote you.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Dunnstral

Rosa says the bus guarantees scum loss if we lynch in NM|Cheeky. I'm happy with either today. If Cheeky is scum, we probably need your vote to lynch her. If she's town, NM has a good shot at lolhammering.

Then vote me? Why are you asking for pre-approval?

VOTE: Lycan L-1

There's some motivation for you xx

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE: CES

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes but if you vote me, you could get NM to lol hammer? I don't understand what you're waiting for.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes but if you vote me, you could get NM to lol hammer? I don't understand what you're waiting for.

You're claiming scum again and if NM lolhammers you, it's to end the game so it doesn't matter

Wtf are you talking about? You want to lynch me but you don't want to lynch me?

YOU have scum claimed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Day Two, Lynch Two

Votecount 2.8

Lycanfire (1):

Not_Mafia

CheekyTeeky (1):

Cogito Ergo Sum

Cogito Ergo Sum (2):

Not_Mafia, CheekyTeeky

Not Voting (2):

Lycanfire, Dunnstral

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-06-03 21:43:59)

Mod Notes:

Oh is this wrong?

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote me scumfuck.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lmao I missed your vote. I'm hungover.

NM hammer - let's go.

[CheekyTeeky]

Just so everyone knows. Lycan/Kat are not this bad at town. They've argued with every mislynch and didn't vote Ali. CES no idea how you town read them. Anyway I'm tempted to self-hammer but I never do that as town so NM or Dunn needs to do it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lynch Lycan if he's alive at Lylo.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't? I've said I want to die. Now you're just scum trolling me.

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE: ugh well make a case Dunn. We weren't at hammer range before and you didn't say anything.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lycan is either scum or ridiculously bad at town. Please kill it with fire.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm just going to say you don't deserve to go to Lylo after your lynch history. I have never scum claimed because I'm not scum. Pitching the idea repeatedly doesn't make it true. I'm not stopping anyone from hammering me. For some reason NM is playing anti-meta and Dunn is acting frozen. I conclude that scum is already on me or this would've been hammered a long ass time ago.

[CheekyTeeky]

We don't win by lynching the people who "don't deserve to go to lylo"

Can you say something useful? Like give an opinion on your preferred two lynches?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok put down a vote and I'll hammer either one. I think we're stalling with no reason to now.

[CheekyTeeky]

CES would you vote me over lycan at Lylo?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: CES

[CheekyTeeky]

Well this is the one set-up I didn't want.

[CheekyTeeky]

At least you can both see how I'm conf town now. I think you both know that I would vote the other, and you both know that you would vote me so I can't discern who is scum based on who is left. Can whoever is town of the two of you please give some thoughts about who is left?

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm inclined to believe of the two of you it's CES based on interactions with Plot/Ali. Unfortunately my interaction reads are bad af so I need help.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm conf town because of my play, the accuracy of my reads and because I left myself at L-1 without being hammered by two players who know me well. If I were scum I wouldn't have left Lycan/Dunn stay together so long, I also wouldn't have left you and Lycan with myself at Lylo after pushing you both hard yesterday trying to get one of you lynched.

CES talk to me about Lycans interactions with Plot/Ali. Do you think they were bussing when Plot left them at L-1 for so long?

[CheekyTeeky]

Sure. Certainly on D1 there was the notion that there was at least one scum in Pine/Katyusha; Plot-that-is-scum-with-Katya can respond to that in various ways - bussing sounds like a perfectly reasonable response. Is this question based off of Plot's iso or off of reading the game?

It was a combo of Plot/Ali ISO with VCA.

[CheekyTeeky]

I appreciate you letting us vote for you?

The point is that I didn't self-hammer and both people who townread me + are aware of my meta just flipped town.

Another point in my favour is Alis interactions with me prior to being lynched. So if it's not you CES then you have two periods of bussing to weigh up between Lycan and I to convince the other. I know I'm town, I want to believe Lycan is town who got hard buddied by you D1/D2 but I struggle with them leading all the lynches on town/not being on the Ali wagon. The fact they've pushed for me or NM is pretty bad too. So CES if you're town please give me something to read you off like reasons why I'm scum that don't involve some farfetched plan for LYLO weighed up against reasons for Lycan scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm waiting for CES to respond. I'll give him 48 hours.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm straight up not trolling. You have no idea about me. I might be a bitch but I'm not a bad sport, I do not slow roll.

[CheekyTeeky]

Pine-Katyusha dust-up that explains Plot's actions

What? Can you please elaborate on this? What actions does it explain?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah looking back at that interaction I can see how Plot had to scum read Kat who was already at L-1, it looked like he scum read her for town cred - at a weird time and when someone unvoted he put Kat to L-1. I need to recheck what happened after that because Kat obviously didn't end up getting hammered but I suspect it's the period where he lurked out and then Ali came in scum reading Dunn and myself.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ali says that in the unlikely event that you flip town, posts like this could make em re-evaluate Pine:

This post was directed at Kat/Lycan slot. After Plot did his lolcase on Kat and voted her to L-1.

Lycan seems really towny to me btw

This is Ali's first post discussing townreads. She says this after saying both CES and Ausuka are town.

The progression and dissonance seems fake. Why would plot say that Ali found Kat super scummy but when Ali reps in she says that Lycan is really towny? These posts are only a few pages apart and nothing really happens in between to justify the change.

I think Ali was freaking out about being lynched because Kat was just under heavy suspicion and they had planned on Ali endgaming.

CES can you please put a vote down?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also Kat was townier than Lycan and like I said Lycan subbed in trying too hard so it wouldn't make sense for Ali to SR kat and TR lycan based on play alone.

[CheekyTeeky]

I just reread the first 20 pages and I can actually see Pine's cogdis point now. I think I overlooked his argument the first time like most people and also like most people I mistook quantity for quality.

Kat is AtEing harder than anybody else here and she made a few mistakes like setting up her lynch order D1 which didn't include plot - which she justified based on Plot/Ali game choices, which Pine (her biggest scum read) pointed out. How can you trust meta to TR someone hard enough to never lynch them, from your strongest SR? I know that she wasn't confident in her own knowledge about Ali/Plot scum v town preferences because she asked the question earlier - "Plot wouldn't choose scum right?" This was after mastina/Pine had already dismissed the idea of Plot choosing scum over Ali.

It reminds me of how Ali pinged me for "not reading the game" where if she believed that were true, then she should've believed my catch up was genuine, and my town slip on not knowing that singer had already flipped town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway I don't have much time atm so I'll be back tomorrow at some point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh just quickly - Town doesn't enter Lylo voting someone unless it's the person they were pushing all game. You would've been better off voting me with conviction or arguing with us before putting a vote down on CES.

[CheekyTeeky]

This sucks.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Lycan

Sorry if I got this wrong.

[CheekyTeeky]

Damn. Gg CES. I wish you all had listened to me and lynched him yesterday, this was the worst combo to decide from as both players had scum equity. I read the game so many times I couldn't get anything more from it. Sorry town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I would have preferred to play with you Kat. Sorry.