Micro 800-B: "Normal" Stock Photos Mafia [Endgame]

[mastina]

VOTE: Alisae.

So this game is easymode.

Want proof?

Okay.

So like.

chamber (Duo with Cogito Ergo Sum)
Lycanfire (Duo with Katyusha)
Ranmaru (Duo with singersigner)
Alisae (Duo with Plotinus)
MariaR (Duo with Dunnstral)
mastina (Duo with Pine)
Errantparabola (Duo with Not_Mafia)
CheekyTeeky (Duo with RedFlavor)
UnaBombaH (Duo with Ausuka)

This is our playerlist, right?

Well, take a look at the duos who chose this game.

chamber, versus Cogito Ergo Sum. Of the two, CES would be the stronger scum player and he's not in this game. Conclusion, if one of them has a scum role, it's not chamber.
Lycanfire, versus Katyusha. Of the two, Katyusha is by far the better scum player; if one of them had a scum role, it's not Lycanfire.
mastina, versus Pine. Okay so we're both excellent scumfucks but we're equally skilled scumfucks--and of the two, Pine

actually prefers

being scum (as far as I know anyway) whereas I loathe it. This is a well-documented fact, so you can safely say that of us two, if one of us has a scum role, it'd be Pine, not me.
Errantparabola, versus Not_Mafia. Errant loathes being scum whereas Not_Mafia enjoys it thoroughly from my understanding. Could be wrong about that, but at the very least Errant is a better town player of the two and Not_Mafia is a better scum player of the two, so if one of them has a scum role, it's not Errantparabola.
CheekyTeeky, versus RedFlavor. CheekyTeeky, by my understanding, has a VERY STRONG LOATHING for rolling scum and would avoid it like the plague if given the choice. Conclusion, if one of them has a scum role, it'd be RedFlavor.
UnaBombaH, versus Ausuka. Admittedly this one's a bit harder, but I would say Una's the stronger town player of the two and Ausuka's the stronger scum player of the two, making it more likely that if one of the two is scum, it's Ausuka.

Which leaves you with:
Alisae, versus Plotinus; Alisae takes scum 100% of the time over Plotinus.
Ranmaru, versus singersigner; Ranmaru takes scum 100% of the time over singer.
And MariaR, versus Dunnstral; MariaR takes scum 100% of the time over Dunnstral.

Thus, we have an autowin if we just lynch within those three.

And of them, the one who is most suspect of all is Alisae since Alisae KNEW their alignment going in.

Thus, easymode.

My logic is flawless.

[mastina]

Vote: CheekyTeeky

Okay so like.
Seriously tho.

My point mighta been in jest, but.

It's at least half valid.

CheekyTeeky, if given the choice, never picks scum.

UnaBombaH is, with about 60% confidence (so admittedly not as strongly as my entrance said), not picking scum.

Alisae is, if someone is forced to take scum, the one who would take it. (Of course, in all seriousness, "would pick scum" != "is actually scum", but it DOES mean that if Alisae lives to lylo you fucking lynch em instantly no questions asked. Especially since if ey're town, I'd expect em to die via the nightkill before then.)

So my reads there are quite serious.

Since the first group didn't know their role/alignment when picking their game, just like in any other game, their odds of being an alignment are random so the logic I outlined doesn't actually work, sadly, but I DO think that the second picks should be kept in mind with this knowledge.

[mastina]

Hi 2nd picks are massclaiming what their first pick choices would be if they were forced to have first pick. If me and Plot were forced to have first pick Plot would be in the open and I would be here.

Pine wanted the second pick because he wanted to know the distribution and whatnot more or less, and I wanted the second pick because BOTH Pine and I wanted to play this game--thus, with no clear choice blind, it made sense to have the information available to the second picks to make the decision. (Not that it made much of a difference, tho.)

Unvote Vote Ranmaru

Would be willing to bet chamber's probably town.

Vote: UnaBombaH

In all seriousness, still actually think this slot has >random chances of having drawn scum. Not because of distribution (since he couldn't have known), but just from this entrance, so.

Alisae is also wolfy.

I'd say so but that would make Alisae town.

[mastina]

non-random vote btw

jokes on you
you can't sr me if I post only this ha

VOTE: Alisae
Also a non-random vote
As a note, finals are next week so expect me to be here in reduced capacity. My guarantee is one post a day minimum.

Fuck I'm actually having difficulties getting reads this game.

I maintain that chamber's town and that Ranmaru's kinda scum but literally everyone else posting I'm getting [-static-] on.

[mastina]

FUCK.

ALISAE YOU ARE.
GOING.
TO BE SO FUCKING PISSED AT ME.
I WAS JOKING.
J O K I N G.

MY VOTE ON YOU WAS A FUCKING JOKE.

I WAS HAVING FUN GODDAMMIT.

I SERIOUSLY DID NOT MEAN TO DO THAT.

FUCK.

[mastina]

I HAD PLANNED TO VOTE ALISAE FROM THE ONSET. MY 74 HAS A ROUGH DRAFT IN OUR TEAM PT BECAUSE I REALIZED THIS FROM THE MOMENT THE RESULTS WERE ANNOUNCED AND FIGURED ALISAE WOULD GET A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF IT.

I MEANT TO MAKE YOU LAUGH DAMMIT NOT GET A JUSTIFIED RANT AT ME.
BECAUSE DAMMIT THIS IS THE LITERAL WORST FUCKING THING.

[mastina]

GOD I fucking suck.

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

For the record--if Alisae flips town, probably wanna vig me if we have one or COP investigate me (specifically cop because there can be no godfather) if we have one. (Any other investigative should stay off me because there are counters to those investigatives. Okay so maybe Neapolitan is safe to investigate me, too, but Gunsmiths have mafia doctors, vanilla cops have PR claims, rolecops don't get guilties, trackers have ninjas not to mention a partner, you get the idea.)

If said role claims a failed action on me and/or no such role comes forward, I should PROBABLY be the D2 lynch.

Because I swear to god.
I'm not going to be the fucking lylo mislynch. So tomorrow,

either everyone agrees I'm town or everyone agrees to lynch me

.

[mastina]

Mastina

: Did you catch up before voting Alisae?

No, I basically had my 74 prewritten.

I entered the thread, posted it, and then started my catch-up.

It was literally a blind vote.

Which under NORMAL circumstances.

Is a SAFE THING TO DO.

[mastina]

.....eff you mastina.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T KNOW.

I VOTED ALISAE BECAUSE IT IS STANDARD MASTINA PROCEDURE ESSENTIALLY TO CALL EM SCUM AND I HAD INVENTED A FUN WAY TO DO IT.

I'm FULLY aware that the lolhammer means we're royally fucked this game and it's my fucking fault.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN SORRY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY WORDS FOR IT.

[mastina]

So tomorrow,

either everyone agrees I'm town or everyone agrees to lynch me

.

And yes, I will be self-voting tomorrow because I fucking suck.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE RVS, DAMMIT.
RANDOM VOTING.

NOT RANDOM LYNCHING.

[mastina]

Like.
Alisae already despises me enough for scumreading em every time we play.

I DID NOT NEED THIS TO BE ADDED TO THE RANT LIST.

And I know it will be because Alisae was probably the best scumhunter in this game and I just fucking lynched em accidentally.

And yes I know my posting sounds over the top but I AM UPSET THAT PEOPLE ESPECIALLY ALISAE ARE GOING TO BE UPSET AT ME.

And there's no fucking way to make it up.

[mastina]

How much of 74 was a joke?

About half. Obviously the players in the first pick couldn't choose their alignment, meaning only four players (myself included) could.
My analysis on Cheeky/Alisae/Una was serious, but as I noted, "Of Alisae/Plotinus, if one had to pick scum it'd be Alisae" doesn't actually increase Alisae's odds of being scum because if both are town there's no choice to be made.

Then there's also the fact that teams can have both scum, too, and thus have no choice in the matter.

And there was the obligatory Alisae suspicion to get out of the way for fun, referencing our past history together; I wouldn't call that joking even though I would call it joking in that it was poking fun at myself as self-depreciation for always scumreading em.

So, some joke, some not.

[mastina]

Mastina, would scumstina do a 'lol i didn't mean to hammer' gambit as scum?

Certainly not, no, because it'd guarantee I'd get lynched the next day, and in this playerlist there aint a scumbuddy I could have that I'd trust to carry the game after I'm dead, least of all with absolutely zero guesses on the nature of the PR composition this game. (At least I'm assuming I'd have zero guesses on the nature of the PRs.)

It was an accident. That doesn't make it town, sure, yes; this is something which happened without malice (even though Alisae may end up thinking it BUT I PROMISE I DIDN'T FUCKING MEAN TO DO THAT) but that doesn't make it something which clears me. But I definitely wouldn't

deliberately

lolhammer.

Has this happened before as town mastina?

In fact it has. Maybe this exact thing (I vaguely recall something like this happening in my game history before), but I wouldn't know where.

Something SIMILAR, but not IDENTICAL, did happen in the Steven Universe Prequel. I placed what I THOUGHT was an L-1 vote on Reasonably Rational but I ended up miscalculating and hammered there accidentally. (Which understandably Cerb/Drixx were ticked off about because it's like their only mislynch ever and I did it to them completely unintentionally.)

[mastina]

Has this happened before as town mastina?

In fact it has. Maybe this exact thing (I vaguely recall something like this happening in my game history before), but I wouldn't know where.

Correction. If it has happened, it's either a micro or a newbie. I'm positive I've never done this in a mini or larger game. But if I've accidentally hammered when placing an RVS vote, it's in one of those two game types. So in this pool, basically.

If I had the time, I could check to see if there's an accidental hammer in there.

[mastina]

OH!
FOUND IT.
This game.

Knew I remembered doing it SOMEWHERE.

(Hilariously enough, karma's a bitch; I got quicklynched after that in spite of me being a cop with a fucking guilty on the final scum before I could out my result.)

[mastina]

(Here's the accidental hammer on Reasonably Rational btw. I'm PRETTY sure I've never done it outside of the Beli micro and the Varsoon SU Prequel, tho.)

[mastina]

I know that technically I should be scumhunting but I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REAL TO GO ON AND I DON'T THINK I CAN GET IT OFF OF WHAT WE HAVE.

I'll probably just sheep Alisae's posted reads no matter how shaky they were meant to be.

[mastina]

Unvote Vote Ranmaru

Towny I think?

So we agree on this and I can definitely sheep em here.

also Ranmaru comes across as town who just wants to start hunting and asking questions. Like I feel like the tryhardiness extremely early is town motivated here. I expect wolf tryhardiness to go balls to the wall with a push or something.

In spite of my read being the opposite I'll sheep this to because it's the least I fucking owe em.

If I am horribly misinterpreting those as being the only reads you have, Ali, I AM SORRY.

I AM DOING WHAT I CAN.

[mastina]

Mastina, comment on the Alisae wagon as best you can.

I HAVE NO THOUGHTS THERE.

I KNOW I SHOULD.

BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF JUDGING THAT KIND OF WAGON.

[mastina]

You didn't notice the 'vote alisea' that were immediately above your post? They stand out a fair bit.

I entered on page one, like I always do.

I also don't use pedits or the topic review function; it's part of my chronological catchup style.

[mastina]

OK then.
VOTE: Alisae, sorry Claire.
Suspecting Maria though..

Hello friends

and Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Alisae
Also a non-random vote

As a note, finals are next week so expect me to be here in reduced capacity. My guarantee is one post a day minimum.

VOTE: alisae

IF there is scum in the Alisae wagon I'd say in Una/MariaR (GREAT GOING MASTINA YOU JUST FUCKING LYNCHED THE PERSON WHO COULD HAVE FUCKING TOLD YOU WHAT MARIA'S ALIGNMENT IS), but obviously that says nothing about those

off

the wagon.

I'd say just guessing that Errant and Lycan are more likely town, but fucked if I know; these are like 51-53% reads, not 60-90+% ones.

[mastina]

Having done this once before didn't teach you any lessons?

I didn't even remember that game, so.

[mastina]

chamber (Duo with Cogito Ergo Sum)
Ranmaru (Duo with singersigner)
CheekyTeeky (Duo with RedFlavor)

So if there is scum off the wagon it'd probably be Ranmaru but Alisae said town there, so.

If I had to say a scumteam it'd be Una/Maria by random guessing, but like.

If you want percentages.

That's literally 50.00001%.
Weak as can be. Shot in the dark, baseless pretty much.

[mastina]

As promised:
VOTE: mastina

HoS: MariaR;
FoS: UnaBombaH

.

I'll give content when I can.

[mastina]

Btw have no context to judge this by yet but Pine says Unabombah's 152 makes him locktown Una.

[mastina]

No one was right for the right reasons on CES in that game.

I for one maintain I was wrong for the right reasons tho.

I'm not sold this was an intentional move by scum Mastina yet.

It's not, we've been over this. It was an accident.

The accident doesn't make me town, no. It being an accident. It could happen as either town or scum. But it wasn't intentional and frankly if you lynch those who say it was, you'll have fairly decent odds of finding scum in them because it should be pretty damn apparent it wasn't intentional.

VOTE: mastina
moving on

If I wasn't promised to lynching me, I'd be lynching Maria btw. Like, about 75% sure this is her scumgame.

Is that a "sheep me when I flip town this is a hard read which is infallible" strength? FUCK no. But it's also not a "this is so weak that you should utterly ignore it" read, either. It's a "this read is strong enough that you should take it into consideration" read.

that wasn't a joke mastina would've saw the pedit for my "L-1" post

Maria knows I catch up on games chronologically. That post 25 doesn't exist until I've read post 24.

Now tell me.

Which post was it that I quoted in the post I voted Alisae?

Was it her 73?

...No?

...Okay, so what post WAS it then?

Take a guess.

Knowing that I read chronologically.
Knowing that a post doesn't exist until I quote it.
Guess where I was at the time I voted.

Now knowing this.
And knowing that

MariaR has been in

multiple games where I have explained this explicitly

in great length

.
Which alignment do you think she would be when she is displaying utter ignorance of this very fundamental part of my playstyle?

[mastina]

Oh on that note.
This is my site history for using the word "chronologically".
Aside from this game.
I used it...
In Anything UPick here (a game she played)...AND also here...
AND ALSO here...

And critically? The game defining our relationship, WWF Mafia, I said it here.
And here.

In Inventions Mafia here... (okay so she wasn't IN that game but her team was!)


Plus while she wasn't in the game. Deathworlders here. Plus here too, not a player but another instance. Here's another.

So it's a thing.

A thing I've had as my meta known for over a year.

And yet she says I didn't.
In spite of knowing I fucking do.

[mastina]

Yet Singer tells me that she caught Mastina for the same reason, for catching up without reading the p-edit.

Yeahno. That's something I do every fucking game: catch up without reading the pedit. You can lynch me here, you can lynch me every game, but you'll lynch town about 60-75% of the time because it is literally part of my fucking style.

I catch up chronologically.

Anyone who thinks I don't is always mistaken.

If I happen to be scum in the game they thought I didn't, then they lynched me correctly for the wrong reasons and will quickly discover as much the moment they encounter me as town and see that the thing they were SO SURE was me as scum...which I said wasn't from me as scum...surprise surprise. Isn't from me as scum and is just fucking part of what I do.

Basically, if she's town, she would need to be present to show us that she's truly town, yet she's not doing that.

Oh really?

Spoiler: What do you call these, then?

How much of 74 was a joke?

About half. Obviously the players in the first pick couldn't choose their alignment, meaning only four players (myself included) could.
My analysis on Cheeky/Alisae/Una was serious, but as I noted, "Of Alisae/Plotinus, if one had to pick scum it'd be Alisae" doesn't actually increase Alisae's odds of being scum because if both are town there's no choice to be made.

Then there's also the fact that teams can have both scum, too, and thus have no choice in the matter.

And there was the obligatory Alisae suspicion to get out of the way for fun, referencing our past history together; I wouldn't call that joking even though I would call it joking in that it was poking fun at myself as self-depreciation for always scumreading em.

So, some joke, some not.

I know that technically I should be scumhunting but I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REAL TO GO ON AND I DON'T THINK I CAN GET IT OFF OF WHAT WE HAVE.

I'll probably just sheep Alisae's posted reads no matter how shaky they were meant to be.

Unvote Vote Ranmaru

Towny I think?

So we agree on this and I can definitely sheep em here.

also Ranmaru comes across as town who just wants to start hunting and asking questions. Like I feel like the tryhardiness extremely early is town motivated here. I expect wolf tryhardiness to go balls to the wall with a push or something.

In spite of my read being the opposite I'll sheep this to because it's the least I fucking owe em.

If I am horribly misinterpreting those as being the only reads you have, Ali, I AM SORRY.

I AM DOING WHAT I CAN.

Mastina, comment on the Alisae wagon as best you can.

I HAVE NO THOUGHTS THERE.

I KNOW I SHOULD.

BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF JUDGING THAT KIND OF WAGON.

OK then.
VOTE: Alisae, sorry Claire.
Suspecting Maria though..

Hello friends

and Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Alisae
Also a non-random vote

As a note, finals are next week so expect me to be here in reduced capacity. My guarantee is one post a day minimum.

VOTE: alisae

IF there is scum in the Alisae wagon I'd say in Una/MariaR (GREAT GOING MASTINA YOU JUST FUCKING LYNCHED THE PERSON WHO COULD HAVE FUCKING TOLD YOU WHAT MARIA'S ALIGNMENT IS), but obviously that says nothing about those

off

the wagon.

I'd say just guessing that Errant and Lycan are more likely town, but fucked if I know; these are like 51-53% reads, not 60-90+% ones.

chamber (Duo with Cogito Ergo Sum)
Ranmaru (Duo with singersigner)
CheekyTeeky (Duo with RedFlavor)

So if there is scum off the wagon it'd probably be Ranmaru but Alisae said town there, so.

If I had to say a scumteam it'd be Una/Maria by random guessing, but like.

If you want percentages.

That's literally 50.00001%.
Weak as can be. Shot in the dark, baseless pretty much.

Because those look an awful lot like me giving content to me! Care to explain why you think otherwise?

What are people's thoughts on this statement--

I'm not going to be the fucking lylo mislynch. So tomorrow, either everyone agrees I'm town or everyone agrees to lynch me.

I meant what I said. I promised to vote myself and if I'm not lynched today, it will only be because everyone agrees I'm town. I won't let it happen any other way.

I'll give my

thoughts

. I'll give content. I'll push players I think are scum as scum and players I think are town as town. But either I get lynched or I get cleared. No other options are acceptable. Because...you said it yourself.

I think mastina is town but I hate having to bet the game on it.

If you're leaving me alive, you ARE betting the game on me being town.

Mastina would've thought that getting Alisae lynched D1 is worth putting herself in the center of suspicion.. Is it ever a worthy trade for her?

Never, but that means nothing because as a fucking accident. It could come from town or scum. Honestly you'd have a better time casing me as being scum caught for the wrong reasons, that I'm scum not for hammering Alisae, but rather scum for insisting that the hammer was an accident and neither indicative of town nor scum.

Chamber has recruited me into his neighborhood, for a role related reason. He states he still scumreads me, and doesn't intend to do anything with it. Take that as you will.

I take it as hard indicative of chamber not using the neighborize to pocket you and thus, town.

Also as a micro this game's got 2-3 town roles and a max of one scum role so if chamber's scum he's the scum PR which while not impossible is not plausible especially by NRG standards (if Mathdino knew anything about the NRG he'd know that scum neighborizers are considered one of the strongest scum roles in existence), whereas neighborizer makes perfect sense as a town role, so.

Do you have conclusive proof that that's not how she enters games?

Quite the opposite!
She has conclusive proof that this IS how I enter games--conclusive evidence based on our numerous past game experience together. She's seen me make almost identical entries to this game. As town, and as scum. Because the entry I made was something which could have been either. And thus, the hammer was in fact accidental, but not indicative of town because as an accident. It could have happened regardless of my alignment.

Butstill. I digress. She knows better than to make the point she is making, so.

[mastina]

I never said you were buddying me. Yet it was weird how you weren't voting me in thread while openly stating you scumread me in the neighborhood. Asking someone if they are an investigative role is blatant rolefishing. (I gave a wifom answer) You can argue why you think what you were doing wasn't rolefishing though.

Also pretty sure both Ranmaru and chamber are town from their exchange, which is comforting because that's what Alisae's reads were and I kinda trust said reads, so.
(I mean even if I didn't trust said reads I would trust them since I owe Alisae that much, butstill. I DO trust them.)

Scum outside those two.
Maria, Errant, Una, Cheeky.

Errant's a townread.

So tomorrow's a 2/3 chance at minimum if you trust me (and Alisae) that chamber and Ranmaru are both town.

I still say it's Maria and Una for what it's worth.

[mastina]

why do you have to make a post that bad after I try and give you some benefit of the doubt?

Because I've no interest in looking good?
I've no interest in escaping the noose?

I'm interested in contributing content.
I'm interested in lynching myself.
I'm interested in keeping my word.
I'm interested in winning.

And trying to make a post which looks good runs counter to literally all of those.

[mastina]

So AS I WAS TYPING before so RUDELY being interrupted by the site downtime...

why do you have to make a post that bad after I try and give you some benefit of the doubt?

Because I've no interest in looking good?
I've no interest in escaping the noose?

I'm interested in contributing content.
I'm interested in lynching myself.
I'm interested in keeping my word.
I'm interested in winning.

And trying to make a post which looks good runs counter to literally all of those.

Continuing to read now.

[mastina]

Is chronologically reading the thread even a valid argument for mastina derp-hammering? She argued that she created the picks analysis post prior to entering the game and that she was on page 1 when she posted it. So if the post was pre-made and posted before reading the thread, then what does the order of her catch up method have to do with anything?

It means that the hammer came accidentally--what this means is that you can give an extreme to those who keep insisting otherwise, that it was strategic, when no it fucking wasn't.

You're quite correct it's not a valid argument for me being town; I can be scum who accidentally hammered just as easily as I can be town who accidentally hammered. But the point I'm making is, the people saying it was a scum move are full of shit and in Maria's case they fucking know better than to make that accusation.

I can be scum, but if I am scum it's from other factors.

I'd like to add that I find it uncharacteristic for a player of mastina's calibre to just post a vote without first skimming the whopping 3 pages.

Try searching my game history and see how your perspective holds up to reality.

(It won't.)

I never said you were buddying me. Yet it was weird how you weren't voting me in thread while openly stating you scumread me in the neighborhood. Asking someone if they are an investigative role is blatant rolefishing. (I gave a wifom answer) You can argue why you think what you were doing wasn't rolefishing though.

Also pretty sure both Ranmaru and chamber are town from their exchange, which is comforting because that's what Alisae's reads were and I kinda trust said reads, so.
(I mean even if I didn't trust said reads I would trust them since I owe Alisae that much, butstill. I DO trust them.)

Scum outside those two.
Maria, Errant, Una, Cheeky.

Errant's a townread.

So tomorrow's a 2/3 chance at minimum if you trust me (and Alisae) that chamber and Ranmaru are both town.

I still say it's Maria and Una for what it's worth.

By the way, to further reiterate. chamber is locktown.

Absolutely do not lynch chamber

.

If I have one fucking merit going for me.
It is that I know my fucking Normal setups.

If Mathdino actually made this be a Normal game, then chamber cannot be a scum neighborizer--that role is stupidly powerful in the hands of scum AND, furthermore. If he's a scum neighborizer, where's the town power? (You can argue unclaimed all you'd like but that's not a good argument even remotely least of all when come tomorrow you can't trust any claims anyway.)

I can't quite word the read there properly, but he is, absolutely, town here.

Ranmaru is, once more, far more likely to be town than not. This read was originally trusting Alisae because yes I tend to scumread Ranmaru on my own and I owed it to Alisae to sheep eir read. But off of the exchange and from his singer thoughts I can see the town thought process from him the entire time. Very very WRONG town but town all the same.

Vote either of them and you're fucking gamethrowing if you're town.

[mastina]

Hell, I'm willing to vote either Maria OR Mastina here, although Mastina feels more like policy than anything..
She has managed to get herself in a situation where she has done something "so scummy" that it feels like "scum!Mastina would never do it" etc etc
Except that I think she would do it, she's absolutely sharp and bold enough.
Except I have no trouble believing it was an accident.
I'll also openly admit that I always weight in the factor of "I don't want to lose to a play like this", even if one shouldn't..
I think our neighbors are both town though, they are just jealous of each others cars..

This is also disproportionately a scum post.

[mastina]

Mastina you really expect me to remember 1 word you said in games that happened that long ago?

As a matter of fact...yes.

Well, not the specific word--but the sentiment behind it, sure as fuck yes.

Me reading chronologically wasn't an unimportant minor thing.

It was a MAJOR FUCKING GAME POINT in WWF. My chronological reading was a GAME FUCKING TOPIC. It was a thing MANY PLAYERS INCLUDING YOU DISCUSSED HEAVILY. It was a MAJOR part of your interactions with me.

It was also a SIGNIFICANT portion of the Anything UPick game; my chronological reading contributed greatly.

My chronological reading was also a MAJOR thing in Team Mafia.

It has been in all of our games together. I searched for games where I used that specific word, but I can also find plenty more where even without using the exact word the sentiment behind "I read chronologically" was expressed.

So yes.

I expect you to remember a fundamental aspect of my playstyle which is a FUCKING TALKING POINT IN MANY OF OUR PAST GAMES. Because said playstyle aspect did not go unnoticed, did not go without comment, did not go without discussion. People talked about it, and you were involved in those discussions. So if you say you don't remember that, I say bullshit.

you would've still seen my post cause the pedit thing happens by itself unless you duck your eyes to not see it

Explicitly so, yes. I ignore pedits. I am on record as doing so. It is easily proven by looking at my game history. I ignore pedits because I ignore anything breaking chronology. Reading chronologically is a deliberate choice on my part. It is something I actively enforce, in EVERY aspect.

[mastina]

Una, why are you fine with

either

MariaR or Mastina?

Because he's scum distancing with his scumbuddy and who knows today is a free mislynch. Una could outright vote MariaR and she'd be in no danger of being lynched, frankly--basically, he can call his scumbuddy scum all he likes, and yet it won't make a difference because we're lynching me today and thus all those words are empty and meaningless.

Which is part of what made it scum in the first place.

[mastina]

Just going to point out that mastina answered chamber but ignored my posts immeadiarely above his. Crapological order.

Oh that reminds me.

Almost forgot to respond to this.

stuff

Why did you choose to respond to these in the order that you did?

I read chronologically. But when I'm not posting a "one quote" post (that is, quoting one post and nothing else), I restructure my post.

That is.

When I have multiple quotes in a post from a single page.

I reorder them.

I put "least game relevant" at top. I move to "mostly about me but not others" next. I usually place mechanics either above or below that. And then I move onto townread content, and then I move onto scumread content. Loosely. If the content doesn't have a clear category, then I just retain its original position. The idea for this is to give the best internal narrative for the post. To have it transition from least important to most important (people read the bottom more than they read the top). It is to give the best flow, to make things smoothly go from one spot to another.

But it is still reading chronologically. I read chronologically. And when I am posting one-quote posts, you can tell. The one-quote I include in one post will come after the one-quote in the post before, always. (Well, unless a later post makes me remember, "Whoops, I skipped something I meant to respond to".)

And said walls?

They MAX out at being "content from one page". You can tell that 192 was typed entirely from one page, because it is one page worth of content. I read things from 150 downward, but while I

read

things from 150 downward, as I was going, I reordered things to give the optimal narrative. But that's still chronological. You can often see it in my posts.

A more succinct way of putting it.
Chronological reading translates to chronological POSTING...but

not

chronological WALLS. That's the best way of saying it.

[mastina]

Do you have any publicly reachable spots where you talk about why scum neighbourizer is strong in your opinion? I will admit I've balanced fewer games than you, but it would have been my opinion that town neighbourizer is a weak role, and scum neighbourizer is perhaps of negative utility for scum if used.

Easily, it's all over the place. mhsmith's stat thread is a fairly reachable one. Town neighborizers are net-null balance-wise. They add very little to the town, except to be an extra PR in the setup. This makes them a fine "fill in the blank" power role--a role you need when you need to give the town

something

, but you don't want to give the town anything REAL. Its power is directly akin to that of a fruit vendor for balance.

Scum neighborizers have been time and time again proven by stats to be disproportionately scumsided. Every scum neighborizer setup in a Normal game has ended in a scum win. Most scum neighbor games for that matter barring multiball have also been scum wins. The ability to manipulate town behind closed doors is so vastly underestimated that they just have a hard time losing with that role.

My stance being such can be found in multiple Normal games beit game thread, dead thread, or review thread, but you can also think that mhsmith is one of the reviewers I am closer to having the same perspective on and just look at HIS thoughts on the matter; what he says is basically what I would say.

This is also disproportionately a scum post.

What does daddypine think?

Haven't had a chance to check since the last time I gave you his thoughts. (To be honest I forgot to even read what 152 was.)

[mastina]

Just checked; Pine's not given updates since 152.

[mastina]

God this is going to be hell.

So Pine says that he thinks Maria's 203 is very town (which means he has stated strong townreads on the two players I most scumread), thinks Cheeky is very town, and that Ranmaru is slimy scum capitalizing on my error (which I understand his reasoning behind but hard disagree on). He does say I should trust my chamber read tho.

[mastina]

You're willing to straight up self-destruct, send us to LYLO, and bet the whole game on us managing to get two out of two correct lynches today and tomorrow.

I mean.

What other option is there?

I hammered Alisae three fucking pages and less than 24 hours into the game--yes, it was an accident. Yes, it was unintended. But even if I could explicitly prove as much (I mean there's evidence which supports as much from the post existing in a draft in my PT to the fact I was quoting the OP combined with me being a chronological reader but while that's IMPLICIT evidence it's not EXPLICIT evidence and thus isn't hard proof). Even if I was able to undeniably give you something that, beyond all shadow of doubt. Proved it was an accident and unintended.

All that does is prove it was an accident. It doesn't prove I'm town. There's no proof I'm town, and yet a strong sentiment that I could be scum lying and that there was no accident involved. That is not something to have in lylo. So the options are everyone trusts me as town now, or everyone lynches me now. The former I don't think will happen, leaving the latter.

Which gives you lylo tomorrow.

You're pushing one of those lynches as una, who your partner has previously said to you is locktown. This is something that literally determines the game and you didn't care about it enough to follow up?

Mostly because I am having a hard time reconciling his thoughts with...anything. I am obligated to share them. I'm not obligated to investigate them. That's actually more your job.

My job is to give my own thoughts and to relay Pine's thoughts; your job is to investigate the things I give from both me and Pine, as I see it.

I'll ask him though because with his stated reads I don't think he realizes he's calling you by implication scum. (Which I obviously disagree with, too.)

[mastina]

I was considering asking her to claim.

I mean.

I accidentally claimed my role yesterday when I said that it'd be safe for a Neapolitan to investigate me; that kinda gave away that I'm a VT.

[mastina]

Mastina can you ask Pine about EP?

Did before reading this post. Will let you know when he gets back.

[mastina]

Mastina, so you say you are a chronological reader. Yet, why do you vote without making sure that you are on the last page, caught up?

Because who the fuck waits to vote?

I do that as scum as an excuse to not move my vote around (this might actually be one of Elli's tells on me by the way--and yes I say "one of" because I don't believe Ellibereth would have ONLY ONE tell on me), but frankly it's exactly that. An excuse. Something I do as scum in order to manipulate the gamestate to my favor but don't do as town.

I have always held that votes are the strongest tool in the arsenal of a town player.
Towns are universally given two weapons. Their voice, and their vote. Not using one is just as wasteful as not using the other. So I should ALWAYS have a vote out.

Furthermore.

I like to partake in the RVS.

My Alisae vote was an RVS vote.

And yet because my RVS content always has an agenda. My vote was also meant to generate reactions. In particular, I was looking to Alisae's reaction to my vote and looking forward to Alisae's "Okay mastina voted me that makes me an IC" comment.

Furthermore.

When I read chronologically.

Sometimes, new content is generated faster than I can read.
So if I waited to get caught up--I would never vote because I'd never get caught up.
Something I'd never abide by as town.

Why did I vote?

The better fucking question would be why the fuck wouldn't I vote?

How do you prevent an accidental hammer as a chronological reader?

This game gives the fucking proof that you don't. You're literally asking "how do you prevent (thing which happened) from happening?" when, by the fact that the thing happened...it's self-evident that I DON'T prevent it.

How do you not see MariaR's L-1 post as a chronological reader?

Because I was on post fucking zero when I posted my vote. Maria's vote was on post, what, 72? Something like that. That's a full 72 posts' worth of content I didn't fucking read until AFTER the vote.

[mastina]

Mastina, I'd appreciate if you don't answer for him.

But you already know my answer's because he's scum expecting me to be lynched and then set up a lylo where he and MariaR are thought to be impossible as scumbuddies thus sealing the scum win.

[mastina]

>pro tip cheeky scum me forgets half what town posts cause I don't have to give a fuck when I'm scum.

Oh? Really? Like you've forgotten about half of my content including key facts about my very fundamental playstyle?

(I would be voting MariaR if I wasn't committed to dieing today if that's not clear.)

[mastina]

The name of the game this phase is either lynch mastina or not, and through the course of this day I feel like that decision became a lot harder to make.

If the decision became harder because your read went from town to no-longer-locked-as-town, then to be blunt, there's no decision to be made. Lynch me. That simple. There. Decision easier.

...If the decision became harder because your read went from not-locked town to locktown, then...sorry for showing my alignment?

[mastina]

Don't make me explain the "locktown"-part right now.

Oh please do.

I'm quite interested in how the reasoning isn't "because I'm scum who knows she's getting mislynched today and want to look good after the inevitable happens".

[mastina]

I'm voting for Maria, because I want to lynch scum today.

They are either both town like I initially thought, or they are both scum..thoughts?

Does not compute. I feel like you're treating today as if it were D1 and we hadn't mislynched already. You project a confidence in scum reading maria that is contradicted a handful of posts later when you allude to the possibility that Chamber and Ranmaru could possibly be SvS.

If Maria is conf!scum to you then it follows that there is only one more possibility for scum from your PoV so as town the natural thought would be to assume that Chamber and Ranmaru are both town. It reads to me like you're pushing an agenda, to make your cake (maria mislynch) and eat it too (cast shade on others in the process). Tomorrow is possibly Lylo and your confidence is clearly unfounded and reckless...unless of course you're scum.

UnaBomb, meet truth bomb.
Truth bomb, meet UnaBomb.
I think you'll have a blast together.

[mastina]

Ugh mobile posting. I r spells.

One of the reasons my activity lacks in games where I want to play on my best.
I'm sensoring my posts and formatting so much (no need to try and make this AI) when I'm playing with people I feel are of a higher skill, that mobileposting just feels inadequate. And when I have busy weeks at work, like now, I have next to no chance at comp.posting.

Uh-huh.

(I am fighting so hard the urge to move my vote to Una right now.)

[mastina]

mastina (3) ~ Ranmaru, mastina, chamber

You know I want to town read Ran and Chamber just for this. I will if this flips town because I don't think scum would want anything to do with it going into lylo. It also makes me very suspicious of Una eagerly town reading mastina and not doing much to promote his super connfident Maria wagon whilst spewing LAMIST propaganda.

If she flips scum then it's another story altogether. I will lynch there if it's the main wagon still going to EOD.

Good observation!

And I would like to further point out.

It is this exact analysis which is why I should be lynched today.

Lynching me isn't policy.
Lynching me isn't to punish the hammer yesterday.
Lynching me won't make you go into lylo effectively blind.

Lynching me to confirm my alignment gives us some hard, concrete leads.

Specifically.

Lynching me gives strong evidence that chamber and Ranmaru are both town.

Lynching me gives some evidence AT LEAST one of UnaBombaH/MariaR are scum.

So it's not like lynching me puts you in a disadvantageous, empty, useless, informationless lylo.

Lynching me gives you a direct path to victory.

Yes, the scum can kill one of chamber/Ranmaru but the other is left alive...giving AT WORST 50/50 odds in lylo.
FURTHERMORE.

You can conclude, fairly reasonably, CheekyTeeky is likely town with everything CheekyTeeky is doing this game.

That would then limit the options to ErrantParabola (who is loosely more likely town), MariaR, and UnaBombaH.

MariaR and UnaBombaH have both played today in a literally identical way approaching from a literally identical angle: attack the other and basically dismissing the mastina wagon.

This makes them both, disproportionately, likely to be scum because that is a trait disproportionately likely to be from a scum player.

The logic is thus such.

Scum are going to be afraid of the responsibility of mislynching town today.
Today, my flip tells you that I am town.
By knowing I am town, you then know thusly that the ones pushing my lynch--chamber and Ranmaru--are unlikely to be scum.
And furthermore, you then know thusly that the ones MOST adverse to my lynch--UnaBombaH and MariaR--are disproportionately likely to be scum.

I am quite certain this logic holds--so lynching me, quite seriously. Hands you two town and potentially both scum.

Seems worth biting the bullet of the noose to me.