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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 6:20 am

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I'm with Wisdom.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 6:25 am

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Cool then you can both be in the townbloc
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:13 am

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In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.
Gut reads. On page 2. Mmmk.
Are you saying I'm not supposed to have gut reads on page 2? because that makes, like, no sense. I can even link a game where I had a gutread on page 2 off the top of my head. Here.
In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
This is a two parter:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game.
On page 6? That gut must be pretty strong.
I know I'm town.
I have experience with mylo and math and I don't see either being scum here. Mathdino hasn't been trying to powertown and infiltrate the townbloc which scum!him would be very likely to do. Myloninja is just straight up easy to read if you know him because he hates playing as scum and his style is pretty distinctive.
Wis and tw are more questionable than those two reads, but Wis feels like he's been scumhunting genuinely, and tw also seemed like he was genuinely scumhunting here and just feels genuine in general. If I'm wrong about one of these reads it's tw though.
In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
Should I not be healing townreads? What's the difference if they're popular? This is a paradox in itself. Ausuka is backhandedly saying that I'm just sheeping people and then also reminds everyone that I'm tunneling on someone who is a "popular townread". This is probably one of the worst backhands I've seen.
The point was that you've been accusing me of not trying to figure out the game, but nothing you've done has really indicated that you're doing that at all, whereas just from what I've been doing so far, it's self-evident that I am actually trying to figure out the game for pretty much everyone except you.
In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:That's not the point I was making and you know it.
Actually, it quite clearly was. I don't react to things unless they require reaction your post:
In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;

Hiraki had no reaction.
I didn't include the MathDino quote because I didn't really care to edit. Ausuka wanted me to talk about something that I didn't talk about. I don't even get what this means except that I didn't react to it.

Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.
The point was, as I said in that very post, that the thing you objected to about me couldn't have been the invisibility SR because Mathdino did it and you did nothing. That was accurate.
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In post 127, Ausuka wrote:after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.
Yeah, for the same reason, because I didn't want to deal with the quotes. The same intention is still there and the fact that you are actually calling me out on misrepping a post when I clearly addressed the point is super scummy.
... No, you didn't even remotely address any point. All you did was say that you don't react to things like a Youtuber? Which has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, which, as I said in the original post, was that you weren't objecting to the Invisibility SR, because when Mathdino SRd Invisibility, you didn't react to that, whereas you would've if you were town who genuinely thought scumreading Invisibility was fake and/or scummy.
In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.
Never said this. Here's what I said - which you quoted but either didn't read or are just trying to misrep:
In post 120, Hiraki wrote:I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:
Which refers to something you just brought up next in the post where you're going for zingers rather than comprehensive reads.
In that case I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say because my post was literally just asking Wisdom who scum was if it wasn't you, because he seemed to be townreading pretty much everybody. Again, the bit about his read on me had NO relevance to that WHATSOEVER and there is NO reason for me to quote it and/or respond to it.
In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.
Yeah, but I don't think you read that far. The above kind of proves that.
Again, I have no idea what you're trying to say. You don't think I read a line that was nine words long? There's just no reason for scum!Ausuka to behave the way that you're describing. You're taking a post that has absolutely NOTHING suspicious about it and trying to twist it as though it's scummy. That's just clear from the way that you're saying that I thought Wisdom was scumreading me, and therefore I was responding to him, when he literally voted me for townbloc in the same post. And you're saying it's scummy for me to not respond to Wisdom saying "she's probably town."
In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?
Right - we're still on 4 people townbloc all on gut.
No, there's just been no reason for me to push my townreads, because atm nobody is really scumreading in {Math, mylo, wisdom, tw} as far as I'm aware. I gave my reasons above anyway though.
No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:14 am

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eh whatever
if people want to do math's thing i dont mind
just consider it a waste when we have the chance to instantly win
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:16 am

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Math, walk me through your idea, because my first thought is that it makes no sense. You're saying that the plan is to;
1. get 3 scummy players
2. put them in townbloc with 2 towny players
3. lynch the 3 scummy players

but surely it's just as effective to leave those scummy players out of the townbloc, if we're going to rely on them being scum anyway?

Like, the coalition is basically just the equivalent of a second game, crammed into one day. The 4 players we leave out are equivalent to the lynches. So we basically get two chances to win the game. Why should we pass that up just so we can lynch through our scumreads? Again, we can just leave those scumreads out of the bloc, and aim for a victory today.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:19 am

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I will admit that I have not completely thought this through and probably should have discussed this strategy with NSG prior to gamestart

So if I come up with a rebuttal I will get back to you

My concern is that worst case scenario (I think in worst case more than best case)
We fail the coalition, lynch inside the coalition, and mislynch
That's basically a loss already
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:20 am

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Yep your rebuttal passes
I'm glad I participated in the thread today

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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:23 am

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The coalition is basically a group guilty if we fail it
We know theres at least one scum in there and we have 3 lynches to get it
Its not that bad considering we'll have mostly widely townread people in it
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:54 am

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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 8:56 am

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HEAL: Ausuka
I just realised I should be doing this.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 9:48 am

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In post 146, Mathdino wrote:Okay so I'd actually like to fuck the scum over and put them both in the coalition

My proposal:
1. An obvtownie that everyone agrees to neverlynch
2. Mathdino, because otherwise there's gonna be shittons of paranoia about me
3/4. Both scum
5. The 3rd pick for scum

Lynch everyone except the obvtownie and win
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 9:52 am

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Let's be real
Who are the best scum players on this list and why in 20 words or less?

Also Hiraki and Ausuka are messing w me because I was thinking if I rolled scum in this setup I'd just powertown it and start an argument with my partner so damn stupid it could never be s/s
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 9:53 am

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Can someone weigh in? Hiraki's reads seem kinda reachy but the way Ausuka is responding to them rings bells of arguing I've seen scum!suka do on marathon weekend :I
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 9:54 am

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You and wisdom because of strong meta manipulation and participating enough to never be the ideal lynch
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:00 am

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I'd actually put your name in the hat wrt d1. It's very very hard to tell your scum game from your town game without the exhaustion of long-tail problem solving.

If possible we should try and form a coalition without reading Wisdom Math or I

Also ppl with strong ability to meta read others on this list should probably not declare it ATM but give us reads in about a week.

Sadly it's very viable for scum to just avoid posting so they become the "eh, could be town" null compromise so I guess we've gotta keep tickling people for content as well
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 164, the worst wrote:If possible we should try and form a coalition without reading Wisdom Math or I
For the record...... Probability is low
But a good starting point
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:07 am

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Anyone bored? I wanna talk
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 am

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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 am

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I would also argue tho that the best players can be BoPd by putting them in the coalition and letting them choose the d1 lynch
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:17 am

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...i unsubtley mean myself and wisdom when it comes to being able to find 4 town on d1
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:21 am

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That's the best town players tho right? My d1 reads are probably ~random atm so I wouldn't even entertain that for fear of gamethrowing
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 167, Wisdom wrote:here
What do you take out of Hiraki Vs Ausuka?
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:23 am

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That theyre likely both town
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:24 am

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Is there some critical thinking there or is it fairly obvious?
First to admit I'm bowing to paranoia here.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 10:29 am

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scum dont have much incentive to invest on a scumread in this game
they care more about how they appear
Its not like hiraki will get a lynch on ausuka today or the opposite
So it felt like someone with no knowlege trying to get somewhere, on both sides
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