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Hiraki's read on me is hilariously fake and he should never be allowed into any townbloc. Consider the fact that
Spoiler: this
is all I had written when Hikari posted his scumread on me.
Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;Hiraki had no reaction.
And yet he seems to scumread me so strongly that he has to keep reminding everyone about it;In post 96, Hiraki wrote:Yeah, I think Ausuka is the easiest to read too.In post 103, Hiraki wrote:Don't heal Ausuka.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Who's scum then?In post 109, Wisdom wrote:I dont agree with ausukaNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Well yeah but that wasn't what I said. My point stands that I had barely posted anything at that point and Hiraki's claim to have a strong scumread on me is unrealistic. I know plenty of townies scumread me when I'm town, my argument wasn't based on OMGUS.
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No, I don't exactly have "solid reads" but I also don't need "solid reads" to state what my reads are, and that's basically what I was doing. Why can't I heal townleans and hurt scumleans? It's not like there was no content at that point for me to get reads from.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
Correct, within the span of 3 posts on 2 pages, you had 2 people healed and 1 person hurt. You have 3 solid reads by page 2? Really? And you're calling me fake?In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Hiraki's read on me is hilariously fake and he should never be allowed into any townbloc. Consider the fact that
... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.In post 120, Hiraki wrote: Then to justify it your response is:
If it's gut, and it's page 2, why did you feel the need to vote?In post 47, Ausuka wrote:gut
What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?In post 120, Hiraki wrote:You never asked any questions and you just went right for it. That doesn't seem town motivated to me.
I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
Which again reiterates that you have no intention of figuring out the game but you're just going to let it slide super hard.In post 84, Ausuka wrote:Considering the content I've given so far scumreading me feels flat-out disingenuous.
That's not the point I was making and you know it.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
I don't really react to things like a Youtuber.In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Hiraki had no reaction.
And this becomes super ironic REALLY quickly, because then you post this;
after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.In post 120, Hiraki wrote: I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:
Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.
HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:Note that the original quote was -
Yet Ausuka went right onto the point that might have insinuated her a little as scum. She doesn't even bring up the point that Wisdom is TRing her.
And why do I need to bring up the fact that Wisdom is TRing me? What do you want me to say? "Oh jolly gee Wisdom, thank you so much for townreading me! I really appreciate that a lot. Thank you!!!!" or something? If I have nothing to say, I'm not going to respond to it.
Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?In post 122, Hiraki wrote:Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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If scum could just hardtown themselves whenever they wanted, scum would win 100% of games.
I think something that's potentially more useful is to look at who isn't trying to lock themselves as town; for example I think a NM/Neenie team is pretty unviable atm.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Are you saying I'm not supposed to have gut reads on page 2? because that makes, like, no sense. I can even link a game where I had a gutread on page 2 off the top of my head. Here.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
Gut reads. On page 2. Mmmk.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.
I know I'm town.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
This is a two parter:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
On page 6? That gut must be pretty strong.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game.
I have experience with mylo and math and I don't see either being scum here. Mathdino hasn't been trying to powertown and infiltrate the townbloc which scum!him would be very likely to do. Myloninja is just straight up easy to read if you know him because he hates playing as scum and his style is pretty distinctive.
Wis and tw are more questionable than those two reads, but Wis feels like he's been scumhunting genuinely, and tw also seemed like he was genuinely scumhunting here and just feels genuine in general. If I'm wrong about one of these reads it's tw though.
The point was that you've been accusing me of not trying to figure out the game, but nothing you've done has really indicated that you're doing that at all, whereas just from what I've been doing so far, it's self-evident that I am actually trying to figure out the game for pretty much everyone except you.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
Should I not be healing townreads? What's the difference if they're popular? This is a paradox in itself. Ausuka is backhandedly saying that I'm just sheeping people and then also reminds everyone that I'm tunneling on someone who is a "popular townread". This is probably one of the worst backhands I've seen.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.
The point was, as I said in that very post, that the thing you objected to about me couldn't have been the invisibility SR because Mathdino did it and you did nothing. That was accurate.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
Actually, it quite clearly was. I don't react to things unless they require reaction your post:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:That's not the point I was making and you know it.
I didn't include the MathDino quote because I didn't really care to edit. Ausuka wanted me to talk about something that I didn't talk about. I don't even get what this means except that I didn't react to it.In post 106, Ausuka wrote:Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;
Hiraki had no reaction.
Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.
... No, you didn't even remotely address any point. All you did was say that you don't react to things like a Youtuber? Which has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make, which, as I said in the original post, was that you weren't objecting to the Invisibility SR, because when Mathdino SRd Invisibility, you didn't react to that, whereas you would've if you were town who genuinely thought scumreading Invisibility was fake and/or scummy.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.Yeah, for the same reason, because I didn't want to deal with the quotes. The same intention is still there and the fact that you are actually calling me out on misrepping a post when I clearly addressed the point is super scummy.
In that case I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say because my post was literally just asking Wisdom who scum was if it wasn't you, because he seemed to be townreading pretty much everybody. Again, the bit about his read on me had NO relevance to that WHATSOEVER and there is NO reason for me to quote it and/or respond to it.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:
Never said this. Here's what I said - which you quoted but either didn't read or are just trying to misrep:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.
Which refers to something you just brought up next in the post where you're going for zingers rather than comprehensive reads.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:
Again, I have no idea what you're trying to say. You don't think I read a line that was nine words long? There's just no reason for scum!Ausuka to behave the way that you're describing. You're taking a post that has absolutely NOTHING suspicious about it and trying to twist it as though it's scummy. That's just clear from the way that you're saying that I thought Wisdom was scumreading me, and therefore I was responding to him, when he literally voted me for townbloc in the same post. And you're saying it's scummy for me to not respond to Wisdom saying "she's probably town."In post 120, Hiraki wrote:
Yeah, but I don't think you read that far. The above kind of proves that.In post 127, Ausuka wrote:HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.
No, there's just been no reason for me to push my townreads, because atm nobody is really scumreading in {Math, mylo, wisdom, tw} as far as I'm aware. I gave my reasons above anyway though.In post 120, Hiraki wrote:In post 127, Ausuka wrote:Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?Right - we're still on 4 people townbloc all on gut.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Math, walk me through your idea, because my first thought is that it makes no sense. You're saying that the plan is to;
1. get 3 scummy players
2. put them in townbloc with 2 towny players
3. lynch the 3 scummy players
but surely it's just as effective to leave those scummy players out of the townbloc, if we're going to rely on them being scum anyway?
Like, the coalition is basically just the equivalent of a second game, crammed into one day. The 4 players we leave out are equivalent to the lynches. So we basically get two chances to win the game. Why should we pass that up just so we can lynch through our scumreads? Again, we can just leave those scumreads out of the bloc, and aim for a victory today.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I'm pretty sure that's just how I argue in general? And marathon metareads are really iffy. I play differently in marathons and normal games, you already know that.In post 162, the worst wrote:Can someone weigh in? Hiraki's reads seem kinda reachy but the way Ausuka is responding to them rings bells of arguing I've seen scum!suka do on marathon weekend :INo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I disagree with the idea that people who push scumreads are town. I think scum are just going to try really hard to emulate a town game in general and that includes pushing people.In post 174, Wisdom wrote:scum dont have much incentive to invest on a scumread in this game
they care more about how they appear
Its not like hiraki will get a lynch on ausuka today or the opposite
So it felt like someone with no knowlege trying to get somewhere, on both sidesNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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This is one scumteam I feel pretty comfortable ruling out. Scum are going to be aggressive in trying to look town on d1 just so that they don't lose the game. Both NM and Neenie aren't really trying to do that and that pretty much only makes sense if they have an active scumpartner (who is probably townread to a fair level.)In post 186, the worst wrote: But if NM/Neenie is the scumteam yayNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I don't get this? Why should I unvote out of caution that someone will hammer a wagon at L-4?In post 210, Mathdino wrote:i would like everyone to unvote themselves so the coalition doesn't get lolhammered thank you
unless your coalition has me in it in which case i promise not to lolhammer by withholding my self-voteNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I like you
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can you give me a step-by-step guide to why Neenie is scum?In post 252, the worst wrote:Neenie probtown
Rn I think it's either Hiraki/NM or Neenie/Invisibility? With a preference for the former.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I am bad at typingIn post 302, Ausuka wrote:
can you give me a step-by-step guide to why Neenie isIn post 252, the worst wrote:Neenie probtowntown?
Rn I think it's either Hiraki/NM or Neenie/Invisibility? With a preference for the former.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Both of these seem to be based on the idea that I have to have a strong read to vote. I don't see why that is. People randomly vote on page 2. Why can't I vote a slight lean on page 2? Why does me being willing to vote leans make me scum?In post 257, Hiraki wrote:
2) As stated earlier, the problem is not that you had gut reads. It's that you had 3 gutreads that you were willing to vote for on Page 2. Saying you have reads and voting them are two very different things.In post 152, Ausuka wrote:Are you saying I'm not supposed to have gut reads on page 2? because that makes, like, no sense. I can even link a game where I had a gutread on page 2 off the top of my head. Here.
3) Wisdom only posted twice in that period. Is that really enough to vote for?
Right, you didn't need to comment on his SR, because the point about Invisibility wasn't the point you were making. All I was trying to do was prove that the point you were making wasn't about Invisibility. It was irrelevant as soon as you clarified that your reason was because I voted some players on page 2 instead.In post 257, Hiraki wrote:In post 152, Ausuka wrote:The point was, as I said in that very post, that the thing you objected to about me couldn't have been the invisibility SR because Mathdino did it and you did nothing. That was accurate.In post 143, Hiraki wrote:Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.
I have already told you this. It's because I quote the thing I'm directly responding to, in order to make my posts clearer and more concise. Again, this in no way makes me scum. There is no reason for me to respond to Wisdom TRing me.In post 257, Hiraki wrote:
Correct. You had to manually edit that out of the post or just highlight part of the post. Why?In post 152, Ausuka wrote:And you're saying it's scummy for me to not respond to Wisdom saying "she's probably town."
If it doesn't pass, then yes, of course I will be interested in finding and lynching the confirmed scum within that bloc.In post 257, Hiraki wrote:
Then when it doesn't pass, you'll be interested in lynching within you, Math, mylo, wisdom, and TW, no?In post 152, Ausuka wrote:No, there's just been no reason for me to push my townreads, because atm nobody is really scumreading in {Math, mylo, wisdom, tw} as far as I'm aware. I gave my reasons above anyway though.Why ask this?
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OMG YESIn post 266, the worst wrote:
we need espeonage ofrhz and saskeismyyaoikismesis in hereIn post 262, Myloninja13 wrote:Asuska just made everything six times more confusing lol. I keep getting confusedNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Is this better?In post 271, Wisdom wrote:lol ausuka pls dontNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I guess it could be Invisibility/NM. Not really seeing Math.
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As scum, he should definitely be playing differenly than he is, and that's why I townread him. I believe scum!Math is more than capable of pushing out "pro-town" content and getting a few easy townreads, but he's chosen not to do that. If he's scum there's no reason not to do that and I'd even say completely relying on his partner to not get caught throughout the day is just reckless play.
I could definitely see Math!town playing like he has been here though.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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no!In post 365, Not_Mafia wrote:Hiraki and I are more town than Ausuka and neenerneenerNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 174, Wisdom wrote:scum dont have much incentive to invest on a scumread in this game
they care more about how they appear
Its not like hiraki will get a lynch on ausuka today or the opposite
So it felt like someone with no knowlege trying to get somewhere, on both sidesIn post 379, the worst wrote:Intent to sheep Hiraki's superior confidence (and probs intellect)No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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or alignment.In post 380, Mathdino wrote: Confidence is not equivalent to accuracyNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Well I guess that the more accurate thing would be to say I'm incredibly easy to correctly scumread. When I'm town the opinions of me are generally more mixed.In post 383, Mathdino wrote: My understanding is that Ausuka is incredibly easy to readNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean, both of those are true...In post 395, the worst wrote:I actually think writing Ausuka off as very easy to read is a deathtrap. She says she is but she also refers to herself as bad at mafia, which is not true.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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also thisIn post 420, Ausuka wrote:In post 174, Wisdom wrote:scum dont have much incentive to invest on a scumread in this game
they care more about how they appear
Its not like hiraki will get a lynch on ausuka today or the opposite
So it felt like someone with no knowlege trying to get somewhere, on both sidesIn post 379, the worst wrote:Intent to sheep Hiraki's superior confidence (and probs intellect)No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Then you should read the thread more.In post 485, Mathdino wrote:i literally had to go check the playerlist to remind myself that ausuka exists in order to exhaustively make this point.
Also I think you were spectating Gunner mafia and that should honestly be enough.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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It doesn't feel like he's trying to look town.In post 491, Wisdom wrote:ausuka how are you townreading math hereNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Idk. I guess I'm just not seeing the scum motivation behind his actions and think he's being genuine? And like I definitely feel like scum!Mathdino could definitely push harder to actually get townread. The strategy if he's scum just seems meh.
I've been feeling Invisibility has been more towny recently and I don't know who else to heal to get 5. I guess Neenie is a possibility but she feels like potential scum.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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The only thing resembling real resistance is Math and the other scumbuddy should probably be doing something too if Math is scum with someone else outside the block. Also Math hasn't really been going against it in a way I'd expect him to if he was scum with Neenie or Invisibility.
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I like it.
HEAL: Invisibility
HEAL: Mathdino
HEAL: Ausuka
This is gonna be a super unpopular play but I've spent a while reconsidering and I still believe this is the right answer.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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There is 1 scum outside the block and 1 scum inside it, I believe. I'm basing my townbloc on scum being Neenie because a) I feel more confident in that than anything else and b) it's statistically more likely that I'm right about scum outside the bloc than outside it.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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This comes right after 3 people heal me.In post 117, NeenieKit wrote:Sorry for being late. I only just found the message.
HURT: Hiraki
HEAL: Ausuka
I wouldn't call anyone town for certain, but I don't see why Hiraki thinks Asuka is mafia.
Time for an 8 hour cat nap soon. I'll be back when the sun is up.
Wisdom is already widely townread at this point too.In post 232, NeenieKit wrote:I'm not sure what I think of the Ausuka Hiraki controversy as of now. I've looked at Hiraki, and I think he's fairly good at scum, but don't know about town.
I like Wisdom. He seems good for town. HEAL: Wisdom
I'm a little wary of Math's suggestions to purposely put scum in the town block. I doesn't seem like an optimal idea. But before he said that, I liked him.
Ducky is probably okay.
If I remember correctly, Not_Mafia is prone to lurking and is tricky to read.
I haven't ever seen or heard of Mylo, or Invisi before now, so It'll take a bit more to be able to read them.
And this comes when people start scumreading me. Like, *right* after Wisdom and Mylo hurt me.In post 519, NeenieKit wrote:
And that's a reason.In post 480, Invisibility wrote:you've been generally towny this game?
Because if it fails, we've probably caught the scum.In post 486, Wisdom wrote:so null on neenie, null on tw, null on ausuka
yet invisibility is better than those because..?
I'm not comfortable with Ausuka any more.
HURT: Ausuka
Hiraki seems okay now, but I refuse to include NM in a townblock.
Would someone kindly give me an explanation for Mylo being town.=? For some reason, I've keep forgetting he exists apart from the attempts to lump him with vizzy. I cannot remember what he has done.
I do not know what to make of the Duck now.
And now that Hiraki is widely townread, he gets a heal too!In post 662, NeenieKit wrote:Are people have a good weekend? Mine was busy. And I can't use my phone for this account.
I've been thinking more, and I'm going to do this:
HEAL: Hiraki
I still don't think Hiraki was entirely reasonable with that early argument with Ausuka, but the whole of things since then has been more town than scum.
Like regardless of scum inside the bloc Neenie is easily the best bet for scum outside it and is just scum in general.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Or we could like just win the game today. That works too.In post 715, Mathdino wrote:I echo your thoughts on Neenie, yeah, but I'm also not really concerned with finding scum outside the bloc because that's not going to ever be taken care of until scum inside the bloc gets lynched.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.