Micro 808: Kids With Guns - ROLL CREDITS (FIN)

[Something_Smart]

Hello.

[Something_Smart]

The reasons my slot got voted-- lurking and saying they couldn't find a way to join the conversation-- are negated since they actually replaced out. Regardless of their alignment, those things were obviously true and not alignment indicative.

You and Penguin were townreads off of my first read.

[Something_Smart]

Holding that thought until I see people's responses to my replace-in.

[Something_Smart]

An unvote...?

[Something_Smart]

That's good because it's an absolutely ridiculous line of reasoning.

[Something_Smart]

To start: Why do you town read me/Rampage? What do you think about N-M?

You feel very at ease, 99 and 104 in particular.

22 and 45 don't seem like angles scum would take, and he seems to be actively trying to push the game forward.

@S_S: Sure, NotAJumble isn't as scummy after the replace-out, but that doesn't mean I should just change my vote willy-nilly esp. considering that you are not in danger of being lynched......

There is no inherent reason why you should avoid changing your vote. If your reasons for voting somewhere no longer apply... you should not be voting there anymore.

And it seems that you still think my slot is the scummiest. How come?

[Something_Smart]

On the other hand, while it is largely due to an incompatibility to mafia (the game), I feel that NotAJumble would feel less likely to get involved in the game as mafia because they are paranoid of being judged by what they do negatively; it's not the strongest argument, but I think it is one of the better reads.

What evidence do you have for that? Do you know of other newbies who rolled scum and replaced out because they couldn't handle it?

That's good because it's an absolutely ridiculous line of reasoning.

So its normal to vote with people you scum read?

It's not ABnormal. It's reasonable to care only about who you're voting rather than who else is voting there.

[Something_Smart]

What does it matter that it's over 50%?

[Something_Smart]

While there is still momentum of sorts on the smart wagon I say we hold Smart's feet to the fire (take him to L-1) and gauge his reaction.

This is a bad idea.

"All people are easier to read under pressure" is a myth.

Some people are easier to read when not under pressure.

I am one of those people.

[Something_Smart]

However, I will say two things.

One. That having me at L-1 may be helpful in reading OTHER players, particularly those off the wagon who have a chance to end the day way earlier than it should be ended.

Two. That I would have very little confidence in my ability to get out of this as scum (and rightfully so), and therefore I'd be bussing the shit out of my partner-- and Firebringer can attest to this

[Something_Smart]

With that said, I am worrisome about his reluctance to share his other reads.

If you'd like, I can give you 27 links indicating this is how I prefer to play town.

I don't like to share weak reads because then they are inevitably blown out of proportion as people either (a) act as though it's a serious scumread even when I specifically say it isn't or (b) ask me to explain and then discredit it because the reasons are weak.

[Something_Smart]

For sure, I would try to mimic it as scum.

But that means you shouldn't be worried about it (or give me townpoints for it); you should merely accept it as part of my playstyle.

[Something_Smart]

zzzz.... Can this day end.... zzz......

How confident are you that I'm scum?

[Something_Smart]

How did you reach that number?

[Something_Smart]

LOL

[Something_Smart]

It's real.

A fake suicide bomb is modkillable.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: no lynch

[Something_Smart]

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[Something_Smart]

VOTE: no lynch

What do you think a no lynch will accomplish, Smart?

If we want to get to 3p LYLO, which has the fewest scum possibilities, we need to NL at some point. Better to do it now so that scum have the least information about who the IC is (and about people's reads) when they make their free kill.

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: according to Player Actions/Voting/Player Death Rule 4, No Lynch requires 50% of all living players and therefore has already been achieved.

[Something_Smart]

Lynching rules should be consistent across all forms, imo. If you go with a majority, it should all be majority. If you go with plurality, it is what it is.

A majority for a lynch, 50% for no lynch, or no majority for no lynch is not an ideal rule. As I said, it is what it is...but the mod didn't even realize it, so I question the intent.

If 50% of the players want a lynch, and 50% of the players want a no-lynch, then no lynch can be achieved. If no-lynch is achieved by majority, the people who want no-lynch will have to stall the day out until deadline.

[Something_Smart]

Well if he believes day should already be over it would be hypocritical of him to post content

Yep.

The whole point of no-lynching on evens is to give scum as little information as possible.

[Something_Smart]

Wasn't taking issue with anything, just alerting him to something I thought he might have missed.

[Something_Smart]

123 interacted with vulcan and Not_Mafia a lot. I doubt either of them are scum.

On the other hand, I don't think he interacted with Penguin hardly at all.

[Something_Smart]

On the other hand, I don't think he interacted with Penguin hardly at all.

That's not true...

Really? I only found one thing in his ISO that was addressed to you, and it was in response to a direct question.

[Something_Smart]

I never said it made you scum.

[Something_Smart]

It doesn't make me townread you like it does the other two. So it means you're in my scumpool. But I'm not gonna call you scum just because flipped scum didn't interact with you much. (And by the way, him using his shot after you addressed him is him AVOIDING interacting with you.)

Could you explain your locktown reads a little? Particularly Rampage.

[Something_Smart]

Vulcan voted 123 to L-2 on page 1, because he softed vig.

In response to this, 123 hardclaimed vig, and vulcan unvoted, immediately claiming he believed it.

Is that interaction ever scum-scum?

Also, vulcan's defeatism and willingness to be lynched at the end of day 1 seems very genuine. Rather than arguing against his lynch, he basically said "If you are gonna lynch me, this is what you should do...", which is a very towny mindset.

[Something_Smart]

Also, Penguin, do you not think Rampage would push a mislynch on vulcan if he were scum?

[Something_Smart]

Also, that interaction looks good for Rampage... it's unusual to tie yourself to your partner by obeying them like that.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: TheRampage

[Something_Smart]

Sure.
Partially PoE. Vulcan I've explained, N_M has some towny lines and I don't think 123 suicides if N_M is his partner, and Penguin has a line (something along the lines of "This was a fun interaction") which I'm not sure if he says if he's partnered with 123.
And after rereading it looks like you're trying to push agendas. You pushed on Not_Mafia, then defended me but didn't really defend me (and when you later actually did defend me, it was for a horrible reason that made absolutely no sense), then pushed on vulcan who might have seemed like an easy mislynch after what Fire said.

[Something_Smart]

@Rampage- You get town slotted (at least for today) for unvoting me. If you were scum, you could have easily let Penguin come in and hammer me and no one would have suspected anything.

Not so sure about that.

Now is not a good time for scum-Rampage to end the day if he intends to bring me to LYLO.

[Something_Smart]

That isn't the only reason I read him as town, but it is what it is. Vulcan, before anything goes down, I want to get a set of final reads from you before this gets hammered. I think we should all do that so we know what everyone thinks and sees before we come back

Or, better idea, we could not hammer my strongest townread.

Also happy scumday Penguin

[Something_Smart]

Why not?

[Something_Smart]

Smart,

Who are you willing to lynch today?

WILLING to? I might be persuaded to vote anyone except you.

Rampage is still my top choice though.

[Something_Smart]

I'm voting Not_Mafia tomorrow.

[Something_Smart]

So you think Not_Mafia is town for hammering without asking for a claim?

[Something_Smart]

Well yeah. I was just afraid of you getting tunnel vision, since I did think vulcan was pretty obviously town and I was worried by you not seeming to see it at all. You didn't get tunnel vision though, so nice job and sorry for doubting you

Also Korina, Fire's play makes more sense if you know him because he joke-claims PR's literally all the time.

[Something_Smart]

Penguin: 417 was why I didn't think Rampage was IC. Vulcan obviously wasn't so it was either you or him, and I felt he was playing more IC-like (though you being my second choice was one of the reasons I stopped pushing you).

[Something_Smart]

Hammering no lynch D1 was stupid too.

please, tell me about how you know more about mafia theory than everyone in this game.

What's your evidence for this claim?