Micro 813 - Game Over

[MafMen]

im here

[MafMen]

VOTE: MafMen

This is obviously scum guys, their name even says they’re mafia!

how do you know the maf doesnt mean mafficking

[MafMen]

im going to assume you tr them because of how genuine their entrances are?
if so i agree then

[MafMen]

what

is there a case there, i cant see one

[MafMen]

im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here

[MafMen]

all of the wagons in that votecount are town imo

[MafMen]

im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here

Why are you so sure?

i know his meta and the case on him is bad

[MafMen]

im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here

Why are you so sure?

i know his meta and the case on him is bad

There's so little to go off of I don't know how you could be so sure of this.

I honestly don't care about the RVS vote switch. The thing that feels more scummy is the deflecting in posts 41 and 51 without giving any other direction. If he's town there is probably scum pushing his wagon and he shouldn't be too concerned about calling one of them out. For instance, Invisibility's vote is weak. This feels like scum wanting to avoid getting his vote called OMGUS.

Not confident enough that I want him lynched yet, though. Want to hear why Mafmen is so sure Manatee is town.

my explanation is his meta
i bet if any of you were in his spot, being pushed because of rvs shit, you would deflect it

[MafMen]

im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here

i mean.... it's right there in 37

try harder, i see nothing there

[MafMen]

my explanation is his meta
i bet if any of you were in his spot, being pushed because of rvs shit, you would deflect it

1. Yes, and I said it's so early and there's so little substance, I don't see how you can be so sure of this. Like, what exactly are you seeing and how does it relate to his meta?
2. Sure would, but like I said, I would push back by trying to find the scum on my wagon. Or, if I didn't think it was scumled, I'd push back by helping town find the better wagon. So far he's not doing either.

his tone is completely different as scum and town
and i mean COMPLETELY

also you shouldnt push your own choices on him, he can do shit at his own pace,

[MafMen]

im still not seeing the case against me
im sure manatee isnt scum but w/e
VOTE: Antihero
until i get an explanation my vote is placed here

i mean.... it's right there in 37

try harder, i see nothing there

33 rly rubs me the wrong way but idon't rly know why... i guess it feels a tinge buddyish and i think it's weird mafmen piggybacks on guiltylion's subjective p1 gut townreads but ignores the real meat of guiltylion's early posts (the manatee vote).

dude...

oh LOL i didnt see that one
i mean i understand where you are coming from but you are misreading me entirely
i was trying to understand where the tr came from

[MafMen]

tbh the best case for manatee being town rn is a combination of taking heat from some questionable (and timid) corners + mafmen feels kind of white knighty here

i mean hes the only player i recognise here so i guess im wking him because of that?
besides i really dont like the case against him so i would defend him either way

also
UNVOTE: Antihero

[MafMen]

my explanation is his meta

his tone is completely different as scum and town
and i mean COMPLETELY

I want the receipts on this one. "Meta" and "tone" are buzzwords that mean nothing. People can change their playstyle as they improve and personally my tone changes in all sorts of contexts, sometimes depending on whether I've eaten that day or not.

What games are you looking at with Manatee when he was town, what games when he was scum, what are the differences between those and why are his towntells that you've apparently seen already impossible for scum!him to replicate here?

VOTE: MafMen

in all the games ive played with manatee he has not changed is playstyle
the possibility he up and decided to change it now of all times is very, very low
(no offence here manatee) youre expecting him to be good enough and experienced enough to replicate his playstyle as scum which he isnt yet

go to town of salem and view any game he is in, youll see repetitive traits in each game he plays as town/scum
it doesnt matter which, im not going to list examples you can just go to any later game of his

[MafMen]

one of the voters

ill make a detailed meta thing when i get to a comp

[MafMen]

ok im back

thanks manatee for self metaing you have now made my case SIGNIFICANTLY less believable
nice one

@LuckyOtter i only voted antihero because he didnt explain his vote, turns out he did and i was completely blind

but yeah as he said he freezes as scum, his wolf meta is trash
as town he feels more actually in the loop rather than not

dont expect someone to get shit done within 4 pages
as i said, people take games at their own pace

anything i missed?

[MafMen]

VOTE: ManateeDude

for hopping off a promising L-2 wagon and keeping us in RVS longer

Its a random wagon. Idk what you're trying to say here in "promising"

L-2 = promising, creates pressure on all players
L-3 = boring, ineffective

what do you think of MafMen claiming to be sure that you're town? do you think you should already be obvtown to someone with his level of experience with you?

I tried to avoid meta here but im frozen as scum. I cant make reads that make sense, and I struggle posting and then what to post.

bruh that shit aint even a proper answer to the questions

[MafMen]

i dont have any srs rn
i have trs which were all wagons from the first vc

[MafMen]

i dont have any srs rn
i have trs which were all wagons from the first vc

townreads are cheap

scumreads are where you run the risk of making enemies

bruh its been five pages
not enough shit has happened to collect scumreads

[MafMen]

[oath]
---
[guiltylion, otter, invisibility, manatee]
---null---
[blackstar]
---
[mafmen, korina]

will do little write up when i have a moment but this is where i'm at w reads

back

oath is a nicely developing townread for me. thought her entrance was townish and i like 100 (i'm on a phone so links are hard but it's at the top of the page.) original thoughts plus suspicion of invis feels towny

guiltylion's posting is pretty good so far and otter's is ok. invisibility's loosey goosey play seems kind of towny to me, doesn't rly seem calculated or agenda driven. i like that he voted blackstar too. i don't think manatee's done anything super readable himself but the fact he's getting flak from 2 of my scumreads and white knighted by the third pushes him to the north side of null.

blackstar sort of feels like he's trying to keep his head down and not make too much of a splash BUT give a different reason for voting manatee than everyone else to avoid setting off alarm bells for being too sheepy.

already talked about korina and mafmen. not impressed w korina's recent strawman nor am i buying mafmen's explanation for having no apparent suspects

BRUH

five pages is nowhere near enough, any scumreads formed are most likely going to flatout fucking fail
you cant make nothing concrete with five pages

[MafMen]

i wouldn't expect you to have mature reads nor would i expect you to fully commit to them this early. that's insane.

that said, i still can't wrap my head around this philosophy you're selling. so... what exactly needs to happen before you start scumhunting and how do you get there?

how about more pages than 5?

[MafMen]

5 pages is still 5 pages
dont expect me to have anything early on
ill have something later on for sure but 5 pages isnt enough

you may be able to get shit done but i cant, there isnt enough for me

[MafMen]

VOTE: Mafmen
We're on page 6 now, if that's helping you form reads yet.

I probably won't actually be able to sort Invisibility today. I feel the same way Oka does. Korina can you elaborate? Because I'm not seeing it. You looked a little lynch-happy very early (regardless of who you were actually voting) and Invisibility voted you for that. What's the issue?

LMFAO

bro dont be hasty
im taking shit in at my own pace

ill talk to you when i get there

[MafMen]

i dont believe i have a town game for you where i say that because ive never been pushed to scumread someone in the first few goddamn pages like i have had on ms

so just take my word for it, i would do it as town too
im still amazed by the fact that i should have scumread people by page 2
thats just dumb


oka i would vote people i have as slight scum but i dont feel like anyone has been overly scummy thus far

in a couple of pages or so ill have something to push most likely

[MafMen]

dude
no one is expecting you to scumread people on page 2 but like don't shame people for being able to get reads earlier than you

im not shaming anyone
part of the case against me is because im being so neutra
and im trying to say that im allowed to be early on

[MafMen]

since yall aint scummy im just gonna poe this shit

Almost Definitely Town: GuiltyLion, Manatee, LuckyOtter, Oath
Slight Town: Antihero

Scum POE : Invisibility, Korina, OkaPoka (probably will change later)

someone case me, because other than saying im "neutral" and anti's case, i havent heard anything else

[MafMen]

A. thats me jumping on a bandwagon which will dirty my image more even if its dumb
B. its poe, i expect it to change
C. otters tone feels townie, yes that's a bad reason however im confident about it so i stuck them in "almost definitely town"

[MafMen]

A. thats me jumping on a bandwagon which will dirty my image more even if its dumb
C. otters tone feels townie, yes that's a bad reason however im confident about it so i stuck them in "almost definitely town"

A. dude it's mafia you should never be concerned with your "image", primary concern is always exposing and lynching scum
C. this is weird because I think Otter's tone feels guarded/formal which is not usually what I associate with "townie", to me what feels townie about Otter is mostly just the actual content he's bringing

i mean just saying "his content is good" is not just enough
even if he feels guarded or formal his tone still gives me a townie vibe, that of which i cant explain very well

[MafMen]

hi
korina is still scum

k i might stick with my reads because this sounds like straight up bussing

VOTE: Korina
after this flips scum we lynch invis

[MafMen]

yah I preemptively apologize if I ever come off as too harsh, I word my pushes/posts strongly sometimes but it's all entirely in-game, I never mean anything personal by anything and ultimately I like playing mafia with everyone here. don't think MafMen has been abrasive at all but I also see what you're going for Oka, him refusing to play is anti-town but may be a playstyle clash more than an alignment indicative behavior

p-edit: yes good content is not enough? that's why I'm not the one saying Otter is "almost definitely" town

yes but i chose not to go with "his content is good" as thats a basic af explanation

[MafMen]

hi
korina is still scum

k i might stick with my reads because this sounds like straight up bussing

VOTE: Korina
after this flips scum we lynch invis

I won't flip scum actually.

I also think that was hammer Maf.

facedesk


are you fucking kidding me

[MafMen]

i thought i put it to l-1

[MafMen]

welp korina, think about it this way, this a big step in recovering from selfhammer addiction


@korina for what reason would someone not claim vt this is all vt setup for town
pedit: really mafmen? i don't buy that

dont believe me?
fine

but its still true nonetheless

[MafMen]

Sorry about this korina, you seem like a good person but

VOTE: korina
l1
there is no way you put this much effort as a player to use self meta as a defense and research your games and then turn around and excuse lazy plays such as selfhammering and failure to count votes.


whole selfhammering thing you pulled off feels like a scum!gambit to derail the wagon now that I've had a bit more time to think about it.

Did you not read this??

hwat the fuck

[MafMen]

Also, Maf, I'm the one who's bad at counting votes.
I really don't believe that considering Oka voted me like 5 posts before that.

I THOUGHT I WAS CAUGHT UP ON EVERYTHING


what in the holy hell

[MafMen]

hwat the fuck

/shrug

idk what you're in a tizzy about. you hammered a scumread, what's there to apologize for?

i never intended to
i prefer discussion time even if i feel i have things figured out

[MafMen]

im so done man

im not twilight posting anymore

[MafMen]

even though invis is acting quite scummy i cant help but feel im wrong after my last mistake

[MafMen]

even though invis is acting quite scummy i cant help but feel im wrong after my last mistake

have you considered re-evaluating your Manatee TR at all

i considered it
and i decided hes still town

[MafMen]

ugh call it OMGUS but hes the last one in my poe pool that im not doubting
VOTE: OkaPoka

[MafMen]

reviewing...

still think oath is town

still leaning town on guiltylion (and this game's p fucked if he's not given the ciphers here)

mafmen i would feel a lot better on if he just hammered wo apology bc even given that korina was town i still think it was a good hammer. the recoil kind of nixes that for me bc now i'm wondering if the knowledge that korina was town was what caused mafmen's freak-out

still scumreading oka's lamist posting

burning the rest of my reads list and resetting.

VOTE: oka

i always regret hammering early no matter the alignment of the person being hanged
i prefer discussion time over a hasty lynch as i said

[MafMen]

honestly, manatee apparently having a lurker scum meta makes mafmen's townread on him look pretty fucking ridiculous now

its not that hes a lurker

he freezes when faced with shit as scum

[MafMen]

he freezes when faced with shit as scum

what shit has he faced this game?

some small pressure

[MafMen]

so mafmen, based on meta is manatee still town or is he scum, i mean he even says he doesn't want to play which can be an indication of him freezing up and cya'ing

thats an indication of him having low wim to play this game
hes still town

[MafMen]

i'm only worried about the third partner if Invis is somehow town (in which case he should be far more worried about finding the scumteam in general)

if Invisibility flips scum then we're going straight to MafMen for general scumminess (WK of Manatee, lack of scumreads, hammer and then immediate out of character apologizing for hammer), plus the awkward distancing between the two (null/scum reading eachother all game, but lack of vote when push comes to shove and both are dueling wagons)

i apologised because i cut discussion time short, not because i hammered them in general

i scumread them so ofcourse im going to vote them, but i didnt think it was l-1

when push comes to shove ill vote someone

hell im voting oka rn

[MafMen]

hell im voting oka rn

why is Oka more likely to be scum than Invisibility

i thought invis/korina/? was likely but when korina flipped green i dropped the read on invis

[MafMen]

i thought invis/korina/? was likely but when korina flipped green i dropped the read on invis

why was Invis/Korina likely when Invis was driving the Korina wagon?! and how does Korina flipping town make Invis look less scummy?

i had a gutfeeling that invisibility was bussing korina as well as that post i quoted day 1 solidifying it for me
after the green flip i doubted that read on invis as well as i just cant imagine them being tvs

[MafMen]

shot in the dark
but

you and anti is all i can think of
i have a gut feeling your argument is staged but i could be wrong

other than that i strongly townread everyone else so i havent got a clue who scum #3 is

[MafMen]

and im not about to just pull a name out of a hat

[MafMen]

@MOD : HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[MafMen]

ill say it again
i apologise for cutting discussion time ahort, not for hammering as korina was a scumread, even if just by poe
it wasnt solely on poe because a post invis made on korina being scum sounded fake af
but since korina flipped green i decided to change the read

anti and oka started as poe but their argument feels fake, and i am scumreading anti, tf are you talking about

[MafMen]

short*

[MafMen]

since yall aint scummy im just gonna poe this shit

Almost Definitely Town: GuiltyLion, Manatee, LuckyOtter, Oath
Slight Town: Antihero

Scum POE : Invisibility, Korina, OkaPoka (probably will change later)

someone case me, because other than saying im "neutral" and anti's case, i havent heard anything else

You went from this to scumreading anti with very little explanation other than reading their argument as fake, is what I'm talking about.

thats because anti was furthest down the list so i stuck him in poe with oka
and then i saw their argument and it solidified it for me

jfc

[MafMen]

yeah... atp invis has to go

I also have complicated feelings about GL that I want to explore before the end of the day and don't have time to right now.

most interesting sentence in above post

Interesting how? Be explicit.

are invis and mafmen really scumreading each other...?

That is indeed the question and my point. They both give the appearance of scumreading each other without really following through on it. Invis reads Maf as null but puts him in his lynch basket (but doesn't vote him) and Maf gives an early scumread of invis then backs out of it, supposedly because his scumread of invis hinged on korina being scum. If invis flips scum my money is on Maf using this excuse to back out of voting his partner.

it is because it hinged on korina

[MafMen]

I want to know Maf's thoughts especially now that Manatee has voted him

manatee voting me doesnt mean anything
it doesnt make him scummy
hell i think it makes him more likely to be town
especially with this one

I can see MM TRing me for a pocket. It has worked before when I was town.

VOTE: MM

offtopic:
manatee which game was that exactly

[MafMen]

yeah but its lylo

y would town just drop a vote this early in lylo

youre overestimating him

[MafMen]

VOTE: okapoka

i wonder who

[MafMen]

it doesnt make him scummy
hell i think it makes him more likely to be town

man this is like real hard for me to grok

like most of the time I'm automatically inclined to consider people voting me as more scummy

and then in LYLO it's literally either they're scum or the game is soon to be over

so I don't see how it makes him "more likely to be town" or at least why town would ever say/think that

like if you think he's town you should be begging him to unvote

begging him to unvote is retarded
you have different ways of reading people than me

[MafMen]

begging him to unvote is retarded

i mean not if you care about winning the game

no begging is dumb no matter what time

[MafMen]

im considering switching to anti instead
i feel antis the more scummy one here

[MafMen]

i mean you don't have to literally beg

but you seem extremely indifferent about a game-losing vote placed on you

and still refuse to consider the possibility of a scum!Manatee

it's just insanely hard to fathom how your TR on him can be this strong

im not going to get stressed because manatee voted me

i have considered it
and i decided hes town

i think ive said that

[MafMen]

yeah i think i should here

VOTE: antihero

[MafMen]

did you consider my point about how if Manatee is town then Otter would be confirmed scum FYPOV

how

[MafMen]

You didnt, just you would know in general

what

[MafMen]

Oath, can you explain why I am confscum to you? I'm not following you.
--
Even if a 3-person quickhammer would be difficult to coordinate, looking at timestamps, do we at least agree that no combination of {GL, Anti, Oath, Oka} can be the scumteam? All were posting pretty closely to each other.
--
So, if Maf is town and is hard townreading Manatee, by POE, I would have to be scum but he doesn't raise an eyebrow at me.
--
I need to revisit Maf and Invis again because Invis flipping town made me think Maf would also be town, but I'm feeling like Maf is just confirmed scum here.

How?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

it could be gl for all i know

[MafMen]

The entire scumteam cannot be within {GL, Anti, Oath, Oka} or else they'd have been able to all vote you and be done with the game, especially since Manatee wasn't really around to see any shenanigans and change his vote. Meaning either Manatee or me must be scum, and if you're TRing Manatee it must be me.

but you arent scum nor is manatee
so
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MafMen]

The entire scumteam cannot be within {GL, Anti, Oath, Oka} or else they'd have been able to all vote you and be done with the game, especially since Manatee wasn't really around to see any shenanigans and change his vote. Meaning either Manatee or me must be scum, and if you're TRing Manatee it must be me.

but you arent scum nor is manatee
so
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hito shrug is for dismissing opinions

not arguing literally impossible things

listen
they both feel townie so im not going to immediately mark them down as scum
i would much rather change a scumread

but i feel im right there too

so im at a loss

[MafMen]

The entire scumteam cannot be within {GL, Anti, Oath, Oka} or else they'd have been able to all vote you and be done with the game, especially since Manatee wasn't really around to see any shenanigans and change his vote. Meaning either Manatee or me must be scum, and if you're TRing Manatee it must be me.

but you arent scum nor is manatee
so
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hito shrug is for dismissing opinions

not arguing literally impossible things

listen
they both feel townie so im not going to immediately mark them down as scum
i would much rather change a scumread

but i feel im right there too

so im at a loss

mark one*

[MafMen]

listen
they both feel townie so im not going to immediately mark them down as scum
i would much rather change a scumread

but i feel im right there too

so im at a loss

so, to be 100% clear, you know exactly why what you're arguing is impossible but you're doing it anyway?

its hard when you feel you are right on both sides
with your scumreads and townreads


its confusing the shit out of me

[MafMen]

listen
they both feel townie so im not going to immediately mark them down as scum
i would much rather change a scumread

but i feel im right there too

so im at a loss

so, to be 100% clear, you know exactly why what you're arguing is impossible but you're doing it anyway?

its hard when you feel you are right on both sides
with your scumreads and townreads


its confusing the shit out of me

Who do you think is scum Maf? I asked this a while ago and you've dodged.

anti and oka
what

[MafMen]

brainstorming: i can think of a couple reasons why maf is still holding onto this

>he's scum and otter is town: it's kind of an appeasement thing. he doesn't want to piss otter off too much/ give him impetus to omgus

>he's scum and otter is scum: manatee's vote and absense of a quickhammer painted maf into an unexpected corner. at that point, he can either turn on his manatee read (LOL, that's the only read he's insisted on this whole game) OR acknowledge otter is scum and bus (umfavorable). so he takes the third option and sticks with nonsensical reads

since he's acknowledging that it is an irrational position, i think one of the above two are infinitely more likely than just technical incompetence

VOTE: mafmen

no im just genuinely confused on what to do
i feel stuck

[MafMen]

UNVOTE:

ill listen to that
i dont want to think that one of lucky/manatee is scum
but if i have to i would pick lucky

[MafMen]

oath
Anti/Otter/Oka
thats what im thinking

[MafMen]

if anti aint happening ill go for the next best thing
VOTE: luckyotter

[MafMen]

I feel like I said yesterday that I would be busy today. If not, I'm busy today.

I have been scumreading maf prior to this. Mostly because getting him to offer any reads at all is like pulling teeth.

Who exactly am I sheeping when I say you are scum and there's a good chance one of anti or gl is your partner?

I will check in tomorrow. Still have plenty of time.

i have my reads
all said and done

i have the scumteam

[MafMen]

okay im done sitting here and watching town play statistics and wifom and then lose this stupid ass game when we should have lynched mafmen yesterday.

mafmen has
a) quicklynched korina
b) gone off the rails with his manateedude defense
c) has managed to take irrational positions that make no sense to anyone, not even to himself
d) is not putting effort in explaining is reads at all

it is appalling that the best reason for not lynching mafmen i can find right now is him being a village idiot. no
lynch mafmen
ffs

idek what you want to say
my reads are mainly poe based
i said you v anti looks fake
i have no decision but to mark lucky as scum

like what else is there

as well as i never intended to quicklynch korina, ill say it time and again

[MafMen]

Why is mafmen scum, other than probability? Let's look at his ISO:
- Defense of Manatee is based on so little information, I don't know how he could be so sure Manatee is town. I brought this up, and Maf never really adequately answered this. This feels like scum trying to get some town cred should manatee get mislynched. Then again, both Oka and I have seen a townie hard defend someone for no reason, and that person turned out to be scum. I really doubt that that's happening again, but it's not impossibile.
- He has been consistently hesitant to provide scumreads. The first ones he provides are from PoE and he doesn't seem to ever try to do much sorting from there. He, and I think I'm not exaggerating here, does literally nothing in the way of poking and prodding others. He just responds to questions and occasionally scumreads people with no justification
- D2 he says Invisibility is acting scummy but doesn't vote him. This could very easily be scum trying to fan the flames while not having to join the wagon.
- The scumread and vote on Anti also comes with no justification
- Hard townreads me then flips on me with no justification
This is scum.

- i know his meta very well, easy as that, as scum if hes even given the slightest bit of pressure he freezes, like how are you stuck up on this
- if im ABSOLUTELY sure people are town then im going to easily poe and feel that's all i need to do
- yeah, however i was hesitant after the green flip, how many times have i said this?
- poe and his oka argument looks fake
- because literally everyone, and i think even you, were saying that scum is between you and manatee from my pov, and i chose you


you really arent reading my fucking posts are you?

[MafMen]

Why is mafmen scum, other than probability? Let's look at his ISO:
- Defense of Manatee is based on so little information, I don't know how he could be so sure Manatee is town. I brought this up, and Maf never really adequately answered this. This feels like scum trying to get some town cred should manatee get mislynched. Then again, both Oka and I have seen a townie hard defend someone for no reason, and that person turned out to be scum. I really doubt that that's happening again, but it's not impossibile.
- He has been consistently hesitant to provide scumreads. The first ones he provides are from PoE and he doesn't seem to ever try to do much sorting from there. He, and I think I'm not exaggerating here, does literally nothing in the way of poking and prodding others. He just responds to questions and occasionally scumreads people with no justification
- D2 he says Invisibility is acting scummy but doesn't vote him. This could very easily be scum trying to fan the flames while not having to join the wagon.
- The scumread and vote on Anti also comes with no justification
- Hard townreads me then flips on me with no justification
This is scum.

- i know his meta very well, easy as that, as scum if hes even given the slightest bit of pressure he freezes, like how are you stuck up on this
- if im ABSOLUTELY sure people are town then im going to easily poe and feel that's all i need to do
- yeah, however i was hesitant after the green flip, how many times have i said this?
- poe and his oka argument looks fake
- because literally everyone, and i think even you, were saying that scum is between you and manatee from my pov, and i chose you


you really arent reading my fucking posts are you?

fixed

[MafMen]

no intention to respond?

[MafMen]

What is there to respond to? Your responses do nothing to clear you. You've just repeated things you've said before that don't clear you. The only new thing there is your justification for voting me, but even there, you're just relying on your poor townread of Manatee (I get that you have a meta reason for TRing him and I'm saying that reason is BS) to vote me instead. You've still done no sorting.

Your strategy has been to POE everything based on everybody else's investigative work, is that it? Other than calling an argument fake, you've done no visible sorting.

Ask me a question and I'll give you an answer, how about that?

yeah, my old posts answer that post just fine

as i said, i feel perfectly comfortable with the poe i did because those on the townside of the spectrum are VERY strong townreads

[MafMen]

can u drop a thicc case on me so i can respond tho

What. Can we honestly just lynch mafmen

im gone for not long and immediately its like you dont like to play mafia anymore

[MafMen]

wtf happened

[MafMen]

Here's a game that Oka and I played with town!Manatee that ended not long ago: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76645
His ISO: viewtopic.php?t=76645&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Posting style is similar, but in that game he at least

tried

. He gave scumreads, made a case against someone, was generally paying attention. So yeah, I assume at least a little technical competence on his part.

Wim is everything

if you arent feeling a game your play is going to be weak as shit

posting style, yet less effort should tell you he isnt feeling much enthusiam this game rather than he's scum here
thanks for giving me shit to scumread you for rather than poe

[MafMen]

right...

so how do you distinguish "non enthusiastic town" and "scum"?

scum can be enthusiastic
its not like every game scum just isnt enjoying themselves


you distinguish the two by looking at their meta
if the posting style is the same but less effort, that means unenthusiastic town
easy as

[MafMen]

um... ok

well in this game, i would describe manatee's posting style as "barely posting at all and never posting content." i think his ONLY content over this 30 page game is "gut scumreading" me and saying that you're "pocketing" him

in the donner party game where he was town, i would describe manatee's posting style as "rarely posts, but actually posts content when he does". he posted about twice as frequently as he did here, he evaluated specific posts and made specific points, made reads lists, and even took a crack at making a case

i don't see much similar about the posting style between these two games

lucky said the posting style is similar

no matter how bad scum is they dont make 4 posts in a game

thats just fucking retarded on so many levels
in the games ive played with him hes posted a lot more

its clear to see its a wim thing

[MafMen]

not implausible........

BUT that also means mafmen is just soooooooooo IMPOSSIBLY BAD

gtfo
the amount of times ive seen scum call me bad to make me doubt myself is way to fucking high

fuck off

[MafMen]

lucky said the posting style is similar

no matter how bad scum is they dont make 4 posts in a game

thats just fucking retarded on so many levels
in the games ive played with him hes posted a lot more

its clear to see its a wim thing

so, now manatee's nonposting is evidence he's town...? what the fuck?

how do you know the difference between manatee lurking as scum and manatee as town not having "wim"? specifically

If its not clear its a wim thing you guys are impossibly unobservant.

yeah, you're right i should clearly be able to read a big pile of nothing. JEEZ I'M SO FUCKING STUPID

not implausible........

BUT that also means mafmen is just soooooooooo IMPOSSIBLY BAD

gtfo
the amount of times ive seen scum call me bad to make me doubt myself is way to fucking high

fuck off

even lurking scum doesnt give out that little content
manatee atleast tries to look town as scum
like
really tries
i caught him and his bud day 1 once and he went through a lot of effort to change my mind iirc

id argue hes more enthusiastic as scum then town

[MafMen]

even lurking scum doesnt give out that little content
manatee atleast tries to look town as scum
like
really tries
i caught him and his bud day 1 once and he went through a lot of effort to change my mind iirc

id argue hes more enthusiastic as scum then town

that's the EXACT opposite of what you said earlier

but yeah as he said he freezes as scum, his wolf meta is trash
as town he feels more actually in the loop rather than not

freezing =/= enthusiam/effort

get your shit straight

[MafMen]

but... you know... now that you're here, maybe give evidence of manatee being "actually in the loop" this game?

there isnt
because
hes
putting
ZERO
effort in this game

[MafMen]

mafmen what are your reads on everyone?

don't need a wall, just a sentence or partial sentence for every other player

gl - too pro-town to be scum, genuinely trying to sort
oath - same as above
manatee - even though at low wim, his meta is fairly similar, town

oka - after i flipped on him has been pushing me throughout the game, argument against you looks fake, gut, poe
you - argument with oka looks fake, gut, poe
lucky - poe, one of his points for me being scum is that after i townread him i just flipped on him, even though he said he should be scum from my pov

[MafMen]

ok.... well i can't be scum to you given that i'm not quickhammering you

sooooo... who out of GL/oath/manatee is scum now?

fuck LOL youve got a fair point here
didnt know i was l-1

i genuinely have no idea
since theyre all strong townreads, one falter and its done

[MafMen]

well lynching one scummer today is more than enough
so ill deal with it next day

[MafMen]

no, no, no, this is not a "deal with it tomorrow" thing

i am seeking a legitimate read from you and i have yet to find one. i've been clawing at the manatee one and it makes ZERO sense and you still have an iron vice grip on it despite it not making sense.

what is it from oath and GL that make them town-beyond-a-doubt? and now that it's confirmed oka/me wasn't scum theater, is oka even scummy anymore?

like... any reasoning at all

you being town does not mean the theatre wasnt onesided



as well as i like to stick to my own guns, i feel the read is solid so itll stay that way

im fairly confident on lucky and oka so as long as we get one scum today we'll be fine with a mislynch
so it is a "deal with it tomorrow" thing

[MafMen]

wait no we wont

shit i need to figure it out today

[MafMen]

fucking fuck
uh

[MafMen]

lucky/manatee/oka
lukcy/gl/oka
lucky/oath/oka

manatee doesnt fit
oath and gl are a maybe

idfk
im stuck
someone help

[MafMen]

It also feels like Maf's lynch is agenda driven and that's the point of today, which is exactly why I'm pushing back against it. There is something wrong with Oka's vote. Period. That isn't how this game is played. Town have zero motivation for that. So either Oka is scum pushing a mislynch on Maf or Oka is scum bussing Maf for credit and setting up a mislynch for tomorrow (which I don't find as likely, BUT it is possible if Manatee is town). I feel like at this point, scum wants us to lynch Maf (regardless of alignment). It seems like lynchbait, too easy.

this this this

also Maf, I also can't be scum to you because I am also not hammering

like literally FYPOV the only scum team is lucky/manatee/oka

but would all 3 scum pile on me

but you guys cant be scum


wtf is going on

[MafMen]

fuck it
if any of you were scum youd hammer me

theres no way it cant not be that team

but that team is unlikely

fucking shit ill be salty as shit if im wrong here

[MafMen]

manatee should be confirm scum for you now if ur town mafmen

@mafmen so are you going to keep defending manatee?

well i fuckin cant now can i

jesus christ

[MafMen]

fuck it
if any of you were scum youd hammer me

theres no way it cant not be that team

but that team is unlikely

fucking shit ill be salty as shit if im wrong here

like here...

why is he still acting like he's still struggling with figuring out who scum are?

it should be a done deal.

it is
and i dont fucking like it

[MafMen]

Oka will vote for Maf or Manatee, but is parked on Maf
Otter will vote for Maf or Manatee

shit maybe it is oka/otter/mana
manatee hasnt been here the entire game so theyre willing to bus him
wow

[MafMen]

kill
maf
men
please

there is zero scenarios in which town!mafmen would just make that connection
town!mafmen should know who the scum team is already
die
die
die
die

how exactly

[MafMen]

do you actually think there is a chance that the scum team isn't manatee/otter/me?

not anymore

[MafMen]

Oka will vote for Maf or Manatee, but is parked on Maf
Otter will vote for Maf or Manatee

shit maybe it is oka/otter/mana
manatee hasnt been here the entire game so theyre willing to bus him
wow

then why are you saying maybe its me/otter/mana

at the point of that post did you sincerely believe there was an alternative?

i want there to be becuase it didnt make any sense

but now it does

[MafMen]

i guess we can wait out the clock and mafmen will die that way

whatever

manatee tmr u fuks

Nope. We're getting otter pls ty

LMFAO WHAT

[MafMen]

anyways props to you manatee for following your town meta as scum

[MafMen]

ur attempts at wifom are laughable

scuse me

[MafMen]

are you talking to me or manatee

because i dont remember wifoming shit

[MafMen]

what

[MafMen]

[gifv][/gifv]

i guess we can wait out the clock and mafmen will die that way

whatever

manatee tmr u fuks

Nope. We're getting otter pls ty

So your scum team is Maf/Otter/ and who?

Lets go anti, but we dont need to lynch them

wouldnt he bus me

[MafMen]

what even is the vc?

[MafMen]

mafmen - manatee, oka, lucky (3)
oka - oath, guilty (2)
lucky - mafmen (1)

3/4 till lynch
notvoting - anti

totally unofficial vc

[MafMen]

VOTE: okapoka

[MafMen]

gg
im sorry i was of little help guys

the vi act credit goes to oka