Micro 815: Greatest Idea - Game Over

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VOTE: ceejayvinoya

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@CeeJay, why did you discard Supersaint?

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Brassherald's discard feels like it has a town motivation on the surface as with Not_Mafia's considering the Reflexive aspect but that could also mean that there were better roles out there aka doesn't really tell us much. LaserGuy's discard doesn't say much either, simply because the role is problematic for the user.

I also want to hear the why Hiraki discarded Mason because It can be useful potentially having someone else you can trust and to discuss with. Guacamole's discard feels like it has town motivation. And RC's discard places them as being most likely town. (At this moment, I'd put RC & Guacamole as being most likely town)

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I doubt you can pull town motivations out of discards. Anyone who chooses their cards would select the one that they feel is most useful. I'm only going to call it towny if the discard is a particularly strong card for a non-town alignment, like Mafia Godfather.

I see what you're saying, though it helps give you somewhere to start (inferences, feelings, reactions). and it also depends on the card (sometimes not just Mafia Godfather)

Brassherald's discard feels like it has a town motivation on the surface as with Not_Mafia's considering the Reflexive aspect but that could also mean that there were better roles out there aka doesn't really tell us much. LaserGuy's discard doesn't say much either, simply because the role is problematic for the user.

There were better roles and I also never want to be mafia.
So, mafia goon was a good discard so that I could be town and get a PR.

Now, still nothing extremely AI but still worth noting going forward. (consistency)

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@RC thankfully not

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okay so it's pretty useless, i agree

why is it scum

why are we not powerlynching NM who is basically confirmed scum

I honestly don't think NM is scum here. Or at the very least, his discard indicates he isn't as likely to be scum.

I disagree on the basis that N_M isn't as likely to be scum. Their discard of Mafia Reflexive Doctor doesn't clear them of not being scum. The role isn't that beneficial to the mafia aka they could have had a better mafia card. And as far as play, I don't see anything AI.

-> Also, can someone explain the votes on Guac?

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I read (yours Brassherald) I meant Hiraki's. I wanted to know their thoughts on Guac

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Hiraki specifically because they didn't explain it when they voted for Guac. at least I didn't see anything. and while I see what Brass. was saying, I thought that maybe else had another point of view on the slot.

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RE: 107 Idk who the question was for

exactly

but I'll just respond regardless. It's possible that N_M is either busy (Which they could try to pop in and say that considering things atm) or they're not responding because they feel *caught/pressured* but things are only at L-2 so...

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When I'm actually free later I'll go read though the Ircher / Hiraki interactions or at least attempt.

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What a terrible opening. Not only did you somehow agree with Ircher's case, you then voted against his wagon.

Regardless of alignment, wow.

How do you think your case on Ircher is better than their case on you? What's the gist or main basis for yours?

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Yep, I agree.

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As much as I'd like to weigh in on Hiraki vs Ircher, I have no idea what to say. I ended up getting more and more confused as I read onto it. Idk. I'll just grab a good night's sleep and try again tomorrow.

NM feels like a good plan b to me atm.

How is it a good plan b? Expand. Is it because it's already a wagon there?

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Intent to Hammer (based on Brass saying they blocked Hiraki)

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It's either Two Aliens, Two Mafia or One/One

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I'm aware

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If Hiraki isn't scum, might want to look towards Ircher or Guac. Town and Mafia can also have day vig's. I haven't helped much as far as my posts but there are other ways to assist.

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Of course you would Guacamole.

Town Doctor.

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You were, I protected RC last night.

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*stares into the camera like we're on the office*

If you were Doc, you would have claimed first but importantly why would a real doctor want to initiate (<-key word) a mass claim where their role gets outed and we don't know if we have mafia/alien left in the game? Sounds like role fishing.

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*Still looking into the camera like we're on the office*

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195 of mine of what I said.

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Oh, you were talking to Guac but my post still stands ic.

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If Brass blocks Hiraki again, how will we know that there wasn't a NK because of the roleblock or because someone was protected?

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I'm not telling you /not/ to block them, I'm saying what do we do when we don't have any options that help *advance* us figuring this out?

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I'll go first: Mason Lover

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I chose you because you were most likely to be town. I figured that out of everyone, I knew you would have the better chance at figuring out what is going on. And I since you are most likely town, having you out of the picture would add to the confusion / easier to manipulate the rest of us into who is who, especially with the back and forth between Hiraki and Ircher.

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RC
Brassherald
Ircher, Hiraki
Guacamole

Guac, How is Ircher above Brass on your reads? [Curious about the thought process here]

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Considering the back and forth with Ircher / Hiraki, it doesn't make sense for Ircher to be scum and just target (so to speak) Hiraki. Especially since they're claiming to be JOAT. I don't see the scum motivation with that.

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I think Brass is actually town here. Let's entertain the idea that Brass is lying about blocking Hiraki, there was a mod error and then Hiraki says they received a correction of no result instead of "not mafia". That matches up with Brass blocking Hiraki/ The only was Brass is scum is with Hiraki and that doesn't fit at all. At least not to me.

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Hiraki, where do you stand on Ircher officially?

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Umm.... I don't think you are looking at it correctly?

It's obvious that Brass blocked Hiraki. What's not obvious is if Brass also performed a factional kill at the same time (which failed), which definitely is a possibility.

*face palm* They could be mafia roleblocker. If they are, that means the mod mistake was with Hiraki's JOAT investigative result. Disregard my town read on Brass, They're Null with hint of a scum lean.

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@hiraki, Ircher did make a point earlier, why would they (as Alien) shoot their partner? That would mean they're Mafia, thus who do you think is in it with them?

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The only way Guac is doctor is if they are Mason doctor. What are the chances that there are two town doctor cards at play if there's two cards like that in the deck.

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Gemini can you please play like the game where I was scum because if you did half of the stuff you did in that game you'd be obvtown

Overreact and overthink everything to the point where I'm wrong? I can throw out the possibility that you could have chose your discard to throw us off. Mafia godfather is only good if there is a cop in play. There's a chance that Ircher could be mafia with their one shot day vig. But it's either one alien left or two Mafia. All of that is stuff we already know so I'm not sure what you want me to do exactly lol

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Intent to Hammer soon unless anyone has anything else to say.

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VOTE: Hiraki

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I protected Ircher last night since Hiraki flipped town.

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Because I figured it wouldn't make sense for Ircher to scum. Alien either.

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I couldn't possibly know who Guac could protect, and I didn't want to have a *repeat* of n1. I didn't choose Brass because in my mind they have a higher chance at being scum/alien than you, Ircher so that didn't make sense to me.

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Would you actually believe the likely hood of that happening again? I didn't want to choose someone that guac may have chose, hence you.

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I didn't think RC would have been a target considering.

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I didn't think RC would have been a target considering.

There was like a zero chance I get killed.

RC had those same chances actually and they were killed. Their death doesn't make sense.

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As mafia/other you want to kill outed PR's. That's my main point.

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We should exhaust all possibilities considering. That means casing / iso'ing each other. We don't seem to have anything else go off on.

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I’m leaning more towards Guac actually being town:

- Leaving crumbs that they are doctor in 197. Why would scum do that when they could be lynched/killed and then it could prove that it wasn’t the case at all. Earlier I found it odd that they initiated the mass claim as ‘Town’ given they claimed to be so but now, I don’t see the scum motivation behind it because I should have been killed if that’s the case. Or even Brass who claims roleblocker.

Yeah they claimed same role / action as well for n1. Even if they were a mafia doctor, the night kill doesn’t make sense. Their night action for n2 also makes sense as someone as town. Now, even if you look at this through the lens of “it’s convenient”, why kill RC and not someone else? (as stated before)

129 , 132 attempts to gain some type of clarity with Hiraki / ircher situation instead of aiding to it, Mafia would most likely try to exploit it.

In the beginning of the game 15 , Guac votes for laserguy, who was killed by Ircher. We know distancing is key with scum/alien but right out the gate? With a chance of them being lynched and even if you do unvote at the last minute, it makes you look scummy as hell so the only way that works is if Ircher/guac are mafia together and the action was to make themselves both look good which is just doesn’t fit overall.

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Yep, if we're looking at it being alien and you can't be Alien Ircher. (Technically Not a good one if you shot your partner js) So POE and rereading leaves Brass

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We're currently discussing Brass, we haven't heard your thoughts or Guac's or anything a bit more where Ircher's thinking atm yet.

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VOTE: Geminiqueen

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Someone should just hammer.

Also I did look at things objectively and use POE. I stand by what I said, it doesn't make sense for Guac to be Alien and Ircher can't be alien so it leave you Brass.

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UNVOTE:

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Guac was the one to question the matter of the docs questioning each other, not me.

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Sorry, you said suspecting but still.

I read through their ISO. So I'm going to bring up a question again for you Brass. Why would Guac leave crumbs for them to be doctor when the chance existed that they could have died or have been lynched and we would have found out that it was the truth? Was it for town points?

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They brought up the process of mass claiming only for me to be alive still and (yourself, for your own personal viewpoint since this is hypothetical) RC gets killed instead. What's your theory here? POV's are greatly appreciated here.

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Post #427 EDIT: Last line should say "

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t the truth?

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*stares into camera like we're on the office*

What's the point in no lynching? we're going to be right back here with it. Also, you shouldn't ask us to case then just force a vote session because things are going slow.

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Just going to VOTE: No Lynch in case I'm V/LA for a day or two.

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*Heavy Sigh*
I guess some of us are just doomed to fail

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Also, your logic doesn't technically make a case on me. You know it's not going to be a kill if one can't actually do so right?

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Yeah, you should get on that afterwards.

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Sure do

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If there is two doctors in the game it'll be harder to make kills at night and by killing one of us me especially wouldn't be a good move. Better to cast doubt and have them lynched. Ie hiraki.

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VOTE: No lynch

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Gotcha Ircher

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(Meaning, ok)

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UNVOTE: no lynch

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*sigh* It is no need to continue to drag this out, I'm the alien though I'm probably going to be lynched instead

VOTE: unvote

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Look Ircher lol

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I mean, we still would have been in this situation regardless.

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No way was I going to be able to pull this out alone.

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Thanks for modding Micc!

I still had a good time playing!

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Oh, and sorry to @RC for killing you, I maybe should have chosen guac instead but it still wouldn't have mattered much for my condition anyway.