Micro 815: Greatest Idea - Game Over

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VOTE: Hiraki

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Brassherald's discard feels like it has a town motivation on the surface as with Not_Mafia's considering the Reflexive aspect but that could also mean that there were better roles out there aka doesn't really tell us much. LaserGuy's discard doesn't say much either, simply because the role is problematic for the user.

There were better roles and I also never want to be mafia.

So, mafia goon was a good discard so that I could be town and get a PR.

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Ceejay, are you maintaining that the only way to pull town motivations from discards is if there are strong non-town role discards?

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An interesting corollary is that the probability of non-town cards remaining in a hand is higher if the discard is town.

How is this interesting? This is something we all know.

The actual percentages are new but I maintain as I have that statistics are for garbage people.

The thing is, I don't trust how hard you are selling this probability thing when anyone with a few free seconds to consider it knew the basic concept. I notice you discarded a non-town role, and this reads LAMIST to me.

VOTE: Guacamole

And before anyone goes into buzz words are bad which I keep seeing, I will respond to anyone complaining about Buzz words with "BEES!" You have been warned.

PEDIT: I think N_M let out his town tell.

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In my experience, this is how a game with RC goes.

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This now will destroy this tell forever and make Not_Mafia so hard to read.

Every time I see him make a post that says he is not town, he is, in fact, town. It's been reliable, and the absence of posts where he says he is not town, he's generally scum.

It's how I caught him in the last Greatest Idea game and shot him to end the game.

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I explained my vote on Guac in the same post as my vote.

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Okay then.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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Oh nvm I just remembered he shot Laser

UNVOTE:

I don't like this post, it rubs me the wrong way.

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VOTE: Hiraki

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By the way, I'm town Roleblocker, guess who I blocked last night.

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L-1 By the way.

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By the way, I'm town Roleblocker, guess who I blocked last night.

Ah, I see...... You didn’t need to claim.

I guess not... hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

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Fine, guacamole tonight.

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If it was down to ircher or gemini, I'd say gemini, but I think we ended up with just aliens and Hiraki is the last one. I don't think anyone sends Hiraki after Day 1 unless he is the last scum.

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Basic reasoning here is as follows, by the way:
1. For a valid setup, at least 5 of us need to be town.
2. Now, there needs to be at least 1 anti-town faction which includes at least 2 members.
3. We have uncovered one alien, 1 survivor, meaning 2 of the non-town slots are gone, leaving at most 2 non-town slots.

So, either there is one to two more aliens, or there are two of another faction. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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It's not a Gambit, I RBed you, you are lying.

Easy day

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Fine, since we're going to humor this lie, what power did you use last night as a JOAT, hiraki?

You claimed your "result", but what power gives you specifically not mafia?

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There have to be at least two aliens or two mafia to be a valid setup because last time there was an alien and a mafia and no one was the informed minority

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Hiraki still lied. He's scum.

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UNVOTE:

For the time being. I feel like the mod error was probably my roleblock was not applied, I'm seeing if I can get mod confirmation on that, but, in that case, Hiraki is not lying and my night 1 information goes out the window.

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Mod message says there is nothing more I can learn, so, I'm going to operate under the assumption that Hiraki is actually telling the truth about copping me.

It doesn't clear him, but it's not a guilty based on him lying anymore.

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I received NO RESULT last night. I do not know what brassherald's alignment is.

Did you just get a correction? Or were you lying before when you said you got Not Mafia on me?

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One of the doctor claims is probably scum, who knows that scum actually tried to kill RC.

VOTE: guacamole

Reveal your crumbs.

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Okay, that solves the mod error question.

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The crumb day 2 falls into my theory of trying to kill, then claiming after RC reveals he is not a Bulletproof or something.

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Hiraki was scummy yesterday, I decided to Roleblock someone I thought was scum.

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Odds are only against a roleblocker making a useful block if their reads are bad, my reads are not bad. It's a good role for me.

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I think perhaps claiming our alignment card is a good play at this point, by the way.

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Yes.

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Vt
Mafia Goon
Town Roleblocker

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Separate question: in what world does town in a probable 5:1 or 4:1:1 think that happily ever after is a good result?

50/50 whether to protect Ircher or RC as strong townreads, took RC...

Guac
RC
Ircher

Brass
Gemini

Hiraki

These two posts do not jive with each other.

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That doesn't work, I'm trying to figure out specifics but, at best, we get one clear from that.

Even if there's a death, we're pretty much in the same position tomorrow with just one person missing.

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Sorry, been handling personal things then the transformer by my office literally exploded.

VOTE: Hiraki

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Ircher is full inno, I RBed him.

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So, ircher, do you think it's Gemini or guacamole?

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I think alien. The one who's not Doctor knew who they attacked.

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Could I actually get until Monday evening to do the assignment, I literally today had to get myself out of a bad and somewhat abusive relationship and I could picture dealing with that taking most if not all of the weekend.

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Thanks.

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Actually, I have a case that involves none of my posts that I can say tonight.

I am proven Roleblocker. My personal preference for town should be pretty well known by now, to the point that unless I could be a third party SK or something, I would never choose to be a PR over being town because I know that I would lose interest day 1 and be caught by day 2.

I'll still try to set up a full case involving actual posts at some point, but I legitimately would never choose to be scum over town because scum playing sucks.

I'll also try to figure which of the doctor claims I think makes that kill.

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I'm here. Not scum.

Gemini isn't confident enough to vote me even.

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I am aware you are discussing me. I still believe, as I extensively said yesterday, that the last scum is in the Doctor claims. I have cleared Ircher as I roleblocked him last night.

A Doctor claim would have the unique position to claim that they protected someone who survived a kill after that person has outed as not Bulletproof. The fact that there was only one kill last night and the flip of RC's one shot vig role as well as his Ceejay shot shows that there are not two factions at this point, and if you were to truly believe that there are two non-town factions remaining and I am one who would not just shoot Ircher and just sell out the town for the hell of it, well, you don't know me very well.

The thing is this, Gemini's push on me is either from someone who is legitimately not thinking through anything, or is scum.

Therefore, in the game of dumb or scum, I'm willing to guess Gemini falls under scum. Dumb or scum is such a fun game sometimes.

VOTE: GeminiTwin

L-1

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UNVOTE:

That was actually a dumb L-1, I got the dumb one today.

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I want to hear from Guac before making sure we win.

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UNVOTE:

Why brass?

I would rather be safe than sorry, really. I would like to hear from both of my suspects before making my final decision.

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You realize that if you are town, voting yourself is literally gamethrowing, Gemini?

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UNVOTE:

Why brass?

I would rather be safe than sorry, really. I would like to hear from both of my suspects before making my final decision.

not the unvote, the vote....

Because I'm not convinced Gemini is as clueless as to the fact that the doctors really should be suspecting each other.

Also, I don't understand a heal of you last night, especially with it based on Hiraki flipping town.

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I mean, no lynch I would be Roleblocked to confirm but I'm pretty sure I've been barking up the wrong tree the whole game. If you're ready, Ircher, I am too

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I think there is just one scum left, the chance of two factions attacking the and person two nights in a row are slim to none. I'll no lynch and block Gemini if that's what guac wants at this point

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Well, if I die tonight, Gemini is innocent. I think we're on twilight now

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Actually if anyone dies tonight Gemini is inno

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Two votes for no lynch means there's no lynch...

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Not a mafia here, still town.

Whatever, since we can't lynch with two votes for no lynch.

VOTE: no lynch

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VOTE: Gemini

I ignored Ircher because blocking guacamole would have been stupid.

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Fine, I'll block Guacamole, then when someone dies, we'll see that Gemini is not town.

UNVOTE:

I still want to hear a claim from Guac as to whom he healed.

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VOTE: No lynch

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I roleblocked GeminiTwin again to ensure we either lynch there or we get a Happily ever after by the way. I have no clue if Guacamole is alien with a used kill, but I would rather force a Happily ever after than give Gemini a chance to win if she's mafia and Guac is alien.

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VOTE: no lynch

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Also wouldn't matter because she never voted no lynch.

Does anyone want to step forward as alien now that we have a Happily Ever After?

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We already hammered the no lynch.

Damn, why are you acting like we can lynch you now, Gemini?

I would like to point out that if people had just listened to me yesterday when it was extremely obvious it was Gemini, we would have had a town win, but now we take a Happily Ever After instead.