Micro 820: Truth and Justice - Game Over

[Ausuka]

VOTE: skitter30

[Ausuka]

zzz

rce why are you playing so differently from the newbie?

[Ausuka]

I modded this game where RCE was, like, a lot more laid back and more reasonable than here?

not sure who scum is atm. i guess umlaut can be town and probably nsg.

[Ausuka]

I modded this game where RCE was, like, a lot more laid back and more reasonable than here?

not sure who scum is atm. i guess umlaut can be town and probably nsg.

you don't think the difference could possibly be scum-indicative?

I mean it technically could be but I don't get how I'm supposed to know that? I personally don't really play every game the same way so when he responded the way he did I realized I was reading way too far into NAI stuff.

i also find it surprising the degree to which you both (actually, not just you two; a lot of people in this game, from memory) seem to be willing to townread just asking some good questions

-shrug-

maybe it's not necessarily a bad idea. seems very "zealous" to me, i suppose (is that the right word?)

i don't get what else i'm supposed to read into? early reads are always gonna be a bit bad.

oops, asked a question someone already asked.

anyways,

VOTE: eragon

Is this just about the bad RVS question?

There you go Umlaut, Saudade said he's town so you don't have to worry about his scumgame.

Oh good, glad that's settled.

Umlaut I still don't read town, Ausuka reading him town is ehh, null. But I don't like Skitters read on him, it doesn't feel genuine.

Basically you say this is because Skitter says my asking questions is towny and you disagree. How is it worse to give a reason you don't agree with than no reason at all? (I'm not going to claim my questions were fantastic but yes I'm trying to do something to generate content, this is off to a really slow start.)

I don't like this because it looks like you're saying it's fine for someone to have reads you don't like as long as they don't actually try to justify them.

i also find it surprising the degree to which you both (actually, not just you two; a lot of people in this game, from memory) seem to be willing to townread just asking some good questions

-shrug-

maybe it's not necessarily a bad idea. seems very "zealous" to me, i suppose (is that the right word?)

Kind of agree with this actually.

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Liking Skitter for town, seems like she's actually trying to understand motives. Admittedly she's calling me town in doing so I'm probably a little biased but that doesn't make her less towny.

VOTE: Ausuka

Why do you spend your entire post talking about other people and then vote me?

I can't make a read on Ausukas reasoning if I don't know the reasoning behind it.

my reasoning is just gut, if it wasn't I would have talked about it.

[Ausuka]

Confess peasant I've caught you

ok i confess i'm actually the sk

Prodge, going to be on a boat all day.

Why do you spend your entire post talking about other people and then vote me?

I voted you because Skitter's voting you and because my vote on Scooby-the-obvious-replacement-bait isn't serving any purpose.

Actually, Alonzo, why'd you vote Scooby-the-obvious-replacement-bait?

Considering what she's posted so far do you think Skitter really suspects me? I'm having trouble understanding your perspective here.

[Ausuka]

this reminds me that I've left my RVS vote on oops

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

serial killer.

[Ausuka]

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

[Ausuka]

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

Well there in lies the debate..

These could be four townie slots sounding each other out but muddying the pond meantime.

I gut TR mala so far,
I believe she is genuinely getting back into her stride here, here initial wall echoed some sentiments I agree with.
Saudade seems a lot less genuine in his posting, as does RCE tunnel of umlaut.
Umlauts kinda null. Not an obv town read.

chances are tho ausuka you just blindly sheeped a trap wagon...

If you townread Mala why is she on your scum list

Do you really tr me + skitter + nsg + eragon that strongly? If so why?

[Ausuka]

Hi Creature.

[Ausuka]

zzz

*frozen*

Idk dude not all of us like to assign alignments to NAI RVS posts.

[Ausuka]

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

He said 2 of, not all of them.

Yes, that's true, I am bad at wording things. The point is that he's taking an opportunistic standpoint of having the suspected players in his scumpool, when there doesn't seem to be much reason to eliminate the other players, and without taking a standpoint on who's scum in the arguments.

Pedit: ??? That's Alonzo not me.

[Ausuka]

If you're asking me what my opinion on Alonzo is I think that should be pretty obvious.

[Ausuka]

Hi sorry for being prodded. I don't really get the case on Umlaut?

[Ausuka]

Not sure I'm liking Ausuka rn though

Why?

[Ausuka]

Spoiler:

Ok gang. Mrs Alonzo is in the hospital RN bringing forth Spawn of Alonzo. Not sure how this is going to effect things gamewise, but your patience is appreciated.

Alonzo

That's amazing, good luck Alonzo.

Ausukas read on me came out of nowhere, like i was pretty much just a tourist in the game at that point, Arsey name dropped me once and within a couple of pages 3 players voted. Turn Out RCE didn't even scumread im just a PL so eh?

There are a few players using very closed language in this one, seeming reluctant to put it all out there.

I include umlaut on my list, but theres a couple of other slots I'd like to see pressured more here.

Why do you think my vote was bad? Like you not doing much doesn't make you town.

I feel kinda confused as to your reads overall. You tr Mala or SR her? And you sr me, Umlaut, RCE?

[Ausuka]

I think I’d be okay with an Ausk Lynch only because there’s very little posting by the player and yet somehow there not much fire under her butt

VOTE: aus

I've posted enough. Literally just the last page I've had hiraki, creature, Alonzo on me. I don't believe this is a real read you have. And you're nullreading Alonzo but would rather set up an entirely new compromise lynch on someone else?

[Ausuka]

I think I’d be okay with an Ausk Lynch only because there’s very little posting by the player and yet somehow there not much fire under her butt

VOTE: aus

I've posted enough. Literally just the last page I've had hiraki, creature, Alonzo on me. I don't believe this is a real read you have. And you're nullreading Alonzo but would rather set up an entirely new compromise lynch on someone else?

Yeah but here the deal. You’re posting now. I replaced in and I have more posts than you lol

Good for you I guess?

[Ausuka]

Post count =/= alignment.

Agree with that if her small # of posts actually had content, but they don't.

I modded this game where RCE was, like, a lot more laid back and more reasonable than here?

not sure who scum is atm. i guess umlaut can be town and probably nsg.

I modded this game where RCE was, like, a lot more laid back and more reasonable than here?

not sure who scum is atm. i guess umlaut can be town and probably nsg.

you don't think the difference could possibly be scum-indicative?

I mean it technically could be but I don't get how I'm supposed to know that? I personally don't really play every game the same way so when he responded the way he did I realized I was reading way too far into NAI stuff.

i also find it surprising the degree to which you both (actually, not just you two; a lot of people in this game, from memory) seem to be willing to townread just asking some good questions

-shrug-

maybe it's not necessarily a bad idea. seems very "zealous" to me, i suppose (is that the right word?)

i don't get what else i'm supposed to read into? early reads are always gonna be a bit bad.

oops, asked a question someone already asked.

anyways,

VOTE: eragon

Is this just about the bad RVS question?

There you go Umlaut, Saudade said he's town so you don't have to worry about his scumgame.

Oh good, glad that's settled.

Umlaut I still don't read town, Ausuka reading him town is ehh, null. But I don't like Skitters read on him, it doesn't feel genuine.

Basically you say this is because Skitter says my asking questions is towny and you disagree. How is it worse to give a reason you don't agree with than no reason at all? (I'm not going to claim my questions were fantastic but yes I'm trying to do something to generate content, this is off to a really slow start.)

I don't like this because it looks like you're saying it's fine for someone to have reads you don't like as long as they don't actually try to justify them.

i also find it surprising the degree to which you both (actually, not just you two; a lot of people in this game, from memory) seem to be willing to townread just asking some good questions

-shrug-

maybe it's not necessarily a bad idea. seems very "zealous" to me, i suppose (is that the right word?)

Kind of agree with this actually.

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Liking Skitter for town, seems like she's actually trying to understand motives. Admittedly she's calling me town in doing so I'm probably a little biased but that doesn't make her less towny.

VOTE: Ausuka

Why do you spend your entire post talking about other people and then vote me?

I can't make a read on Ausukas reasoning if I don't know the reasoning behind it.

my reasoning is just gut, if it wasn't I would have talked about it.

Confess peasant I've caught you

ok i confess i'm actually the sk

Prodge, going to be on a boat all day.

Why do you spend your entire post talking about other people and then vote me?

I voted you because Skitter's voting you and because my vote on Scooby-the-obvious-replacement-bait isn't serving any purpose.

Actually, Alonzo, why'd you vote Scooby-the-obvious-replacement-bait?

Considering what she's posted so far do you think Skitter really suspects me? I'm having trouble understanding your perspective here.

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

Well there in lies the debate..

These could be four townie slots sounding each other out but muddying the pond meantime.

I gut TR mala so far,
I believe she is genuinely getting back into her stride here, here initial wall echoed some sentiments I agree with.
Saudade seems a lot less genuine in his posting, as does RCE tunnel of umlaut.
Umlauts kinda null. Not an obv town read.

chances are tho ausuka you just blindly sheeped a trap wagon...

If you townread Mala why is she on your scum list

Do you really tr me + skitter + nsg + eragon that strongly? If so why?

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

He said 2 of, not all of them.

Yes, that's true, I am bad at wording things. The point is that he's taking an opportunistic standpoint of having the suspected players in his scumpool, when there doesn't seem to be much reason to eliminate the other players, and without taking a standpoint on who's scum in the arguments.

Pedit: ??? That's Alonzo not me.

Spoiler:

Ok gang. Mrs Alonzo is in the hospital RN bringing forth Spawn of Alonzo. Not sure how this is going to effect things gamewise, but your patience is appreciated.

Alonzo

That's amazing, good luck Alonzo.

Ausukas read on me came out of nowhere, like i was pretty much just a tourist in the game at that point, Arsey name dropped me once and within a couple of pages 3 players voted. Turn Out RCE didn't even scumread im just a PL so eh?

There are a few players using very closed language in this one, seeming reluctant to put it all out there.

I include umlaut on my list, but theres a couple of other slots I'd like to see pressured more here.

Why do you think my vote was bad? Like you not doing much doesn't make you town.

I feel kinda confused as to your reads overall. You tr Mala or SR her? And you sr me, Umlaut, RCE?

I think I’d be okay with an Ausk Lynch only because there’s very little posting by the player and yet somehow there not much fire under her butt

VOTE: aus

I've posted enough. Literally just the last page I've had hiraki, creature, Alonzo on me. I don't believe this is a real read you have. And you're nullreading Alonzo but would rather set up an entirely new compromise lynch on someone else?

all of these posts are content posts - considering how i've not been feeling so great recently, I feel like this is an acceptable level of content.

I think I’d be okay with an Ausk Lynch only because there’s very little posting by the player and yet somehow there not much fire under her butt

VOTE: aus

I've posted enough. Literally just the last page I've had hiraki, creature, Alonzo on me. I don't believe this is a real read you have. And you're nullreading Alonzo but would rather set up an entirely new compromise lynch on someone else?

Yeah but here the deal. You’re posting now. I replaced in and I have more posts than you lol

Good for you I guess?

I mean can you actually give a list of your reads? Pressure someone. I understand you're not liking alonzo, but is that really the only read you have so far? Can we engage?[/quote]
I've pressured Alonzo, recently I've been pressuring you. I get that scum's probably in a hard place right now so you need more mislynch options but if you're going to push me do it for something that isn't objectively false please.
RCE / skitter / saudade town - you scumlean now, alonzo strongest scumread - fine with voting either of you since we're so close to deadline. my scumreads are engageable, i'm not sure what enlightening conversation I could have about my townreads.

[Ausuka]

congrats alonzo!

going to go ahead and give intent to hammer; if there's no claim in a few hours i'll probably just hammer because I think we're too close to deadline for comfort.

[Ausuka]

2 scum in the popular pool of 4 is still like the worst thing itt I think and this wagon is fairly popular and can reach lynch before deadline so i'm keeping my vote on alonzo.

should he flip scum i'd say the mala wagon probably contains the other one. incidentally i was townreading the three others on the wagon so i'd have to look at it overnight; i think i'm probably most likely to be wrong about Saudade.

come deadline we have to have a lynch secured and preferably we should have Mala announce who she will track in case of a scumflip to avoid crosstargets; obviously on a townflip it's better to either not announce or not to track at all.

[Ausuka]

what is that supposed to mean Alonzo? you don't sound inclined to lynch the PR claim d1 either.

[Ausuka]

what is that supposed to mean Alonzo? you don't sound inclined to lynch the PR claim d1 either.

I think you should have used the wisdom of the crowd better in this one, I didn't wade into 'the big four' for an easy life, I knew I'd encounter resistance, I dont think I have been defensive in this one, a little slow out the blocks perhaps, mostly beacause Scoobert left me hanging out of RVS. I kept my cards close to my chest then when I showed them, I was SR'd, which allowed a couple of cheap limps onto my wagon (um and hikari).

If I get lynched in this one, I'm going down with way too many labels to be happy about it.

how am I supposed to take your word for that? I just don't really think your positions make much sense from town pov.

I'm about to sleep and won't be here again before deadline so, what are we doing?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: alonzo

this was derailed for a horrible EOD wagon d1 and it should happen today.

[Ausuka]

uhhh i'm alive

tl;dr for alonzo is that he has been totally opportunistic this whole game and that doesn't come from town. his votes for umlaut and mala were his main votes d1 and he thought both votes were L-1 votes; he hopped on hiraki when he became the likely lynch and tried to give shittastic reasoning for doing so; there's a literally insane amount of resistance to lynching him especially coming from the socalled "townbloc" where the partner is probably located. like, we were on track to lynch him d1 and then BOOM hiraki was like instantly lynched without being given a chance to claim because ??? and now the other wagon has collapsed and now people want me and umlaut??

[Ausuka]

is that all you have to say

i told you why alonzo is scum. what do you want me to do, build a shrine to your towniness?

[Ausuka]

i never had a townbloc?

umlaut and mala were on alonzo wagon -> they're not the buddies -> scum in townbloc. but yes the bad direction we're going in w/ hiraki -> probably me or umlaut also suggests scum is in a controlling position.

[Ausuka]

Saudade is scum.

[Ausuka]

You pull scumteams out of your assistance, hammer your townreads, and then accuse ME of not scumhunting? Go away.

Pedit: it will and Said is the buddy.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Saudade

I don't blame the other town if they lynch me but this is just scum.

He wouldn't hammer his townread as town. He knows he could hammer Alonzo and lynch me d3 for the win.

[Ausuka]

P sure Umlaut is confscum since if saud was scum with anyone else he would've hammered.

Will hammer if everyone is fine with ending the day

[Ausuka]

wtf

i do not get your line of thinking at all

please unvote before hammer

[Ausuka]

LITERALLY


UMLAUT IS HIS ONLY PARTNER

WHY DOES NOT HAMMERING UMLAUT CLEAR HIM

[Ausuka]

VOTE: umlaut

if you wanna end it now go ahead.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Saudade will make like a proper case but yeah this is always scum, if RCE was scum he could have won d3 easily.

[Ausuka]

I cant wait for you to play in constant fear of me being scum this game Umlaut!

this is just slimy.

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: unvote

Why does town do this? There's no case or reasoning or any substance at all, it's just a random vote and unvote that's a substitute for scumhunting.

finally i found a partner for a dance i haven't had one for a while

fake and slimy. nobody actually says this as town, it's scum overplaying it.

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

mad town post

note this for later.

Mid day 1 I suspect scum to be 2 of Umlaut/RCE/Saudade/Mala

VOTE: Alonzo

You can't just say all the players who have had any level of suspicion on them are scum. Pick a side.

mad town post

Why?

expression of genuine emotion

note this for later too ^.^

also im town and I can relate to his post so that makes him likely town too

and this, because

VOTE: Ausuka

later this happens and there's no read development WHATSOEVER between these two posts on me. like, at all. at one point he's like "ausuka is mad town expressing genuine emotion" and like 200 posts later he's just like "lol ausuka is scum let me vote her for no reason while giving zero substance behind my push."

talk to us kittens
why did mafia risk shooting outside of you

With Mala being a strong contender to replace her

VOTE: Malakittens
this is scum

all the ausuka alonzo votes are redundant
this needs to get voted out right now

Sauded explain to me why Ausuka

I've no intention talking to scum

^^^ he's tunneling Malakittens here, but,

Because it confirms mala as scum? You dont have to claim but no ones pushing the mala lynch either

Which again makes me think shes real
Sadly

okay I've no idea how setups work or what does C+ T + PPP mean
is that a chemistry formula

after making some crap up about the setup and having it being proved wrong, this read just seems to, like, disappear? and now suddenly it's me and umlaut.

great so now us 3 are townreading each other

lets work from here and find out the scum

this is fake and really overeager to win the game by inserting himself inside a townbloc.

VOTE: Alonzo
im going to make you eat a shoe if he flips town Enigma

^^^ This is an opportunistic hammer. Town!Saud gains a lot by having an extra mislynch with a Aus/Uml -> Aus/Uml -> X lynchpath instead of an Alonzo -> Aus/Uml -> Aus/Uml lynchpath so if there's one scum in me and Umlaut he gets another chance to catch scum. Instead he just hammers because like ??? This is just scum motivated. He knows that after lynching Alonzo, he can lynch me for the win. But if he doesn't lynch Alonzo, when he lynches both of us and I flip town he might be lynched in Lylo. Saud secretly wanted Alonzo to be lynched, and this hammer proves it.

That's hammer
if hes town Ausuka/Umlaut scum
game solved adios

there's no reason Saud is so sure that he objectively lowers his chance of winning because "it doesn't matter" or something.

Switch to Ausuka Mala

VOTE: Ausuka

Umlaut is scum so is Ausuka
Can we get Ausuka first tho

There is NO REASON for him to want to lynch me over Umlaut if he's town. If we're both scum the order doesn't matter, he'd be more than willing to lynch scum in Umlaut. The only reason for him to do this is if he wants the perfect win as scum. Instead he steadfastly insists I am lynched over Umlaut.

[Ausuka]

you have just under six days and there's no need to rush this if you don't want to

[Ausuka]

maybe actually coming to a conclusion takes longer than pulling a read out of your ass?

[Ausuka]

I'm not and nothing in the thread indicates that.

[Ausuka]

oh is the plan here to ignore everything I say so you aren't viewed as defensive

interesting

[Ausuka]

Isn't "debating in-game matters with scum" what you're supposed to be doing right now?

[Ausuka]

Yeah I was scum GG.

[Ausuka]

Thanks for modding Micc.