micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[NicoRobin]

Hi.

[NicoRobin]

I think that I think nothing. I know that I know nothing.

[NicoRobin]

Anything I need to pay special attention to?

[NicoRobin]

My scum-o-meter says town. His tone seems sincere.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Stungun

[NicoRobin]

Hi.

[NicoRobin]

because i'm cute.

Love you too.

[NicoRobin]

I have him as town, so not at this point in time.

[NicoRobin]

hi?

Did I come in at a bad time.....?

[NicoRobin]

[NicoRobin]

hi

[NicoRobin]

I am not sure, but his declaration that someone should be policy lynched for being busy doesn't sit well with me.

[NicoRobin]

I'm pretty sure saying hi 4+ times is a scumtell

Since when?

[NicoRobin]

I've never seen a town player say hi that many times in a single game day

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it cannot happen.

[NicoRobin]

That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice

Seems like you already decided that I should be lynched regardless of what I say, which is scummy.

I have my vote.

VOTE: Aronis

[NicoRobin]

Lurking in the game is my town trait, and I am much more assertive as scum. I am sure that those who played w/me can tell you that much.

[NicoRobin]

So if you scumread me for lurking, then lol.

[NicoRobin]

Besides the votes on me were horrible. Profii's flipped his vote between three different people multiple times in the past few hours. Profii and Creature are both just trying to avoid getting lynched and kill anyone possible. They don't have any legitimate reasons for voting me

Nico over here has made 17 posts. Their play is horrible and incredibly anti-town. The mod has double the posts Nico does and everyone else's slot has minimally three times more. Nico is sitting over here telling you that lurking is a town behavior- I think we all know that's dumb. Then to top it off when I call them out for being hands down the worst player in the game, they pretty much OMGUS vote me because they're offended or something dumb.

MariaR's vote was the only one I took moderately seriously and even then it wasn't great. The wagon on me was an absolute joke and one I have no intentions of caring about

Lurking in general isn't, but when it comes to me, it is. Look at all my games and you'll see it.

[NicoRobin]

You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c

[NicoRobin]

and twist what I said over and over.

[NicoRobin]

Want some games that prove that I am a lurker when town? Cos I'll be happy to provide them too.

[NicoRobin]

You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c

I'm saying lurking isn't town behavior and is anti-town. Provide all the examples you want, I highly doubt you'll be able to solidly prove it's a townie course of action on a repeated basis.

It is for me.

[NicoRobin]

Come to think of it, why don't try to prove that I regularly lurk as scum instead? Cos you won't find any proof for that.

[NicoRobin]

Nico feels town too

now I know you're just memeing

If you knew my meta, you'd know that he is not. Here's the idea: how about you learn the actual way I play rather than throwing out accusation randomly.

If you have a reason for scumreading me that isn't countered by my meta, then share it. Otherwise, cease and desist.

[NicoRobin]

Nico feels town too

now I know you're just memeing

If you knew my meta, you'd know that he is not. Here's the idea: how about you learn the actual way I play rather than throwing out accusation randomly.

If you have a reason for scumreading me that isn't countered by my meta, then share it. Otherwise, cease and desist.

You're in Poe what more do you need me to say? You were in the Poe from the first place and you haven't done anything to get out.

Good to know that you have no actual reason for suspecting me.

VOTE: nsg

[NicoRobin]

I didn't know townreads everyone else and leaving people in poe wasn't a legit reason! Good to know NicoRobin good to know!

Considering what my meta is like, it's not.

Oh, and furthermore, you townread everyone else?

Well, I sure am honored that you think I need no partners.

[NicoRobin]

@stungun Considering what Creature said, I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.

[NicoRobin]

If he jailed you, then it's effectively a guilty, since no one was killed. At least that's how I see it.

[NicoRobin]

He implied he did jail you. If you could prove that he didn't and that scum tried to kill you, then I may look at other options, but for now, I am comfortable in keeping my vote where it is.

[NicoRobin]

I asked you to prove something and gave you a chance to clear yourself, but you would rather heckle me. Okay then......

[NicoRobin]

@stungun Considering what Creature said, I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.

can you go a bit more into why you think this is the most likely scenario?

particularly as 2 people who claim they have excellent reads on NSG - considering there are 2 people claiming this, at least one isn't NSG's scum mate

Because Occam's razor.

Can you tell me why it isn't likely?

[NicoRobin]

Creature implied being a JK with a guilty on nsg, and it's more likely that he is. That's Occam's razor for ya.

[NicoRobin]

And you yourself said one of me/nsg/maria has a high possibility of being scum, which increases the odds of nsg being scum rather than decreasing them like you believe.

[NicoRobin]

Creature implied being a JK with a guilty on nsg, and it's more likely that he is. That's Occam's razor for ya.

ok so why is NSG more likely to be a caught scum rather than a defended towny.

And you yourself said one of me/nsg/maria has a high possibility of being scum, which increases the odds of nsg being scum rather than decreasing them like you believe.

[NicoRobin]

Hi Creature.

[NicoRobin]

Hi.

[NicoRobin]

Self-Meta is bad, you say.

Well, someone has to meta me to read me, and since you guys refuse to do that, I have to.

[NicoRobin]

Someone in this thread.

[NicoRobin]

Hi?

[NicoRobin]

Except contributing nothing is my town trait.

[NicoRobin]

Except contributing nothing is my town trait.

and why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.

Because common sense dictates I am town. Are you going to bet everything on the slim chance that I could be distorting my own meta?

[NicoRobin]

she can defend herself in a reasonable capacity and not cling to her meta excuse every other post.

Do you have proof for this?

[NicoRobin]

Except contributing nothing is my town trait.

and why do you expect town to automatically come to this conclusion, especially after you got on a town aronis and voted him over it in helping bring about a mislynch? aronis was town, so obviously it’s natural for town to be circling back to this conclusion that you could be distorting your own meta.

Because common sense dictates I am town. Are you going to bet everything on the slim chance that I could be distorting my own meta?

In what universe have you played towny? What common sense? You've done nothing.

There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.

[NicoRobin]

I don't get why you are scumreading me for something that is my town trait. There is stubborness and then there is this.....

*sigh*

I will have some words to tell you post-game.

[NicoRobin]

There are plenty of games where I was town and did basically nothing. Many. Across multiple accounts. I can find every single one and list them here for your convenience.

And I've seen you as town actually post a lot. So what's your point? You've done both

If you mean the games where I was confirmable town, like 1936 and SU2, they don't count, because as confirmable town, I could speak my mind more freely.

p.edit: Like I said, I was conftown that game, so it doesn't count.

[NicoRobin]

But you're not pushing back at all. People still scumread you that game and you had a lot of push back.

I was defending mastina, not myself.......

[NicoRobin]

Nico if you vote Pro rn I'll flip and we'll power lynch him.

Nicooo

He is a townread of mine.

[NicoRobin]

Nico why aren't you answering?

Because I have nothing to say to you.

[NicoRobin]

Nico why aren't you answering?

Because I have nothing to say to you.

Why?

Because you are twisting facts and finding faults while there are none. You must really want my mislynch real bad.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Kokichi

[NicoRobin]

Then go ahead and vote me. See how you like it when I get mislynched, lel. If you are really town, you should consider all your options.

Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again. I am playing with mastina. mastina is cool. At least she does her homework the way it should be done.

[NicoRobin]

as opposed to just casting the blame everywhere rather than analyzing all possibilities.

Also, you wanted a pushback? Well, you have one, so why complain?

[NicoRobin]

Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again. I am playing with mastina. mastina is cool. At least she does her homework the way it should be done.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME. You don't get to come in here and say "does there homework" when you're not even playing the god dam game.

which is my town trait. Your point being......?

[NicoRobin]

UNVOTE: RC will kill me if I lynch without his consent son of a bitch I'm still voting Nico sr me for the unote if you want
Pedit: You don't get to act like this is anyone but your own fault for your own lynch.

No, it's your fault for not knowing my meta. You wouldn't have voteparked me if you knew my meta.

[NicoRobin]

Nico why aren't you answering?

Because I have nothing to say to you.

Why?

My scum-o-meter says town. His tone seems sincere.

[NicoRobin]

UNVOTE: RC will kill me if I lynch without his consent son of a bitch I'm still voting Nico sr me for the unote if you want
Pedit: You don't get to act like this is anyone but your own fault for your own lynch.

Okay, I will give you the benefit of a doubt for now.

Why do you scumread profii?

[NicoRobin]

Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again.

Not the worst thing in the world tbh

OOF

UNVOTE: RC will kill me if I lynch without his consent son of a bitch I'm still voting Nico sr me for the unote if you want
Pedit: You don't get to act like this is anyone but your own fault for your own lynch.

No, it's your fault for not knowing my meta. You wouldn't have voteparked me if you knew my meta.

Meta isn't something that is law all meta changes and when you learn that you'll have a better understanding. You sitting and not doing anything doesn't make you fun. You sitting and going my meta this my meta that. We didn't sign up to play this game to read your meta. We signed up to play mafia each game is different no game is the same. It is not our job to read your meta. It is your job to prove that you are town if you really want it so bad?

you

link the games and point to explains

you

say I'm town for X Y Z if you can't do that can't help you

So you want me to link a bunch of games I've played where I flipped town and had low content, and then say 'here I flipped town and had low content and thus having low content is my town trait'?

Sure.

[NicoRobin]

Evidence

1. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76341 (Low content, town)
2. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75978 (Low content, town)

[NicoRobin]

Mislynch me here and I'm never playing with any of you again.

Not the worst thing in the world tbh

OOF

UNVOTE: RC will kill me if I lynch without his consent son of a bitch I'm still voting Nico sr me for the unote if you want
Pedit: You don't get to act like this is anyone but your own fault for your own lynch.

No, it's your fault for not knowing my meta. You wouldn't have voteparked me if you knew my meta.

Meta isn't something that is law all meta changes and when you learn that you'll have a better understanding. You sitting and not doing anything doesn't make you fun. You sitting and going my meta this my meta that. We didn't sign up to play this game to read your meta. We signed up to play mafia each game is different no game is the same. It is not our job to read your meta. It is your job to prove that you are town if you really want it so bad?

you

link the games and point to explains

you

say I'm town for X Y Z if you can't do that can't help you

So you want me to link a bunch of games I've played where I flipped town and had low content, and then say 'here I flipped town and had low content and thus having low content is my town trait'?

Sure.

Meta isn't the only reason you can base a read on a player on it's the actions they do in the game they play here as well. Does Meta help and can be a good reason to townread/sr someone? Yes but it should never be the main base of your read. So if you said
I'm town for: reason A B C for what I did this game
and
oh I'm also town because my meta supports it as shown in X Z Y
that would be a valid defense not just "my meta shows this in this game"

Well, when it comes to me, meta is the only means you could use to read me accurately. That's how it is when I am concerned.

[NicoRobin]

But even when it comes to you your meta isn't as clear cut.
Do you do 1 thing here as town you just don't do as scum?

Yes. >.>

[NicoRobin]

I am still alive and I walk alone, I walk the lonely road, the only road I have ever known

[NicoRobin]

Not only is it posts from this game but the meta I showed as to why Nico is highly likely scum. I don't see any reason hy you have Nico as your highest townread right now when I've called out that she's way more defensive as town.

Oh, so you use that part of my meta now while ignoring the part where I lurk as town? Seems legit.......

[NicoRobin]

You lurk as scum or town.

See, if you actually knew my meta, you'd know this isn't true. You are just someone who thinks they know my meta.

[NicoRobin]

Why such a rush, lol?

@Kokichi

[NicoRobin]

Why such a rush, lol?

@Kokichi

Because I want to lynch scum

No, you want a mislynch, but that won't happen while I am around.

VOTE: stungun

[NicoRobin]

Then you must think we're both so stupid we'd tie ourselves to each other so transparently, thus ensuring that if one of us flips scum, the other would be insta-lynched.

Thanks for insulting my intelligence, boy. I am sure that people in that department would be thrilled. ^^

[NicoRobin]

And speaking of which, if you are so sure that we're both scum, why not wagon my so-called partner first? You have 4 days left so you could do so if you really believed this.

But no, you won't, because you and Koki both know we're both town and also know that you would look better if I flipped town instead of him, because this would give you a better chance to be like 'well, she was useless' either way and thus you'd clear suspicions from yourselves.

You are the ones desperate to save one another, not us.

[NicoRobin]

It's not bs when it's the truth.

You and Koki are partners pushing for my mislynch. I call it the way I see it. Sorry you don't like it, buddy.

Now go ahead and say I am scum! Shout it to the world. It will only make you look worse when I flip town.

[NicoRobin]

it’s bs when i can confidently assign that you are scum going for my lynch right now because you think it is the most likely town one to occur.

this is not much better than me simply asking you to lay a vote down on d1, and you responded by voting me? who comes off scummier? you or i? clearly you. i asked you to place a vote down for info purposes because you had not for so long d1, and plus i and everyone else had voted. what that tells me is you had no desire to sort players, because well you are scum. especially since you lingered on me for 8 days as i was mislynch bait with a vote only responding to me asking you to vote

ebwop

Except I am the mislynch bait here, and it's you/Koki gunning for me, the person least likely to be believed.

[NicoRobin]

after creature lynch d2, also a townflip:

Jail profil. If last scum isnt prof it's in Nico and NSG

fooled into thinking creature!scum perhaps because he scumclaimed? note: koki does bot even consider if creature flips town. i think that is a genuine town reaction there. also already gives an idea of where he stands today, so consistency there.

I think creature is trying to wifom us saying his partner is a townread but I think its someone we sr.

this would be scum further playing the game to completeness. genuinely would he expect anyone as scum to be looking into posts like these? ergo, the consistency of this is what makes koki look very town to me.

Look who is defending their partner now?

Hint: It's u.

[NicoRobin]

@stungun You are doing the same thing you accuse me of doing as scum - defending Koki - and so the logical conclusion is that you are scum with him.

[NicoRobin]

besides, profii: nico does not tend to distance

based off meta

, and you would have distanced d2 when you voted nico.

in fact, what has changed since that vote to make you so resistant to that lynchwagon?

No. You are not allowed to read me off an aspect of my meta unless you take other aspects of my meta into account too, like me being useless as town.

[NicoRobin]

fine, i agree not to lynch profii if nico flips town

because they only have one partner the entire game, and no one wants to be operating alone as scum.

2 scum in a micro tend to bond together and only bus if absolutely necessary and it can be pulled off without the other being endangered

you two have been suspected together since d1, so obviously you could not pull of the bussing strategy.

Wait I should just bus my scum mate Nico because I got a town pass from Stun right here!

IF nico flips town

not if she flips scum

therefore, you are trying to feign as though you are not reading here in an attempt to look town. at least that is how my lens see things rn

like everything just makes sense with a scum nico and a scum profii.

Which I will.

[NicoRobin]

fmpov, then what is scum team if nico!town

koki-maria? koki-profii?

like explain to me how those would make sense at this point

So, you are saying that we should all believe town just because you say you are?

[NicoRobin]

If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!

[NicoRobin]

If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!

except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?

I mean that you shouldn't expect the rest of us to magically townread you and utterly dismiss the possibility you could be scum with Koki just because you say so.

[NicoRobin]

yeah, even gemini says your vote on me is bs nico.

take that to be both of us that agree you are scum here

of course he is. He is helping you out.

[NicoRobin]

If that's how it works, then you should have me as town because I say so, and anyone else who says they're town is town.

Let's all be town together!

except i’m talking fmpov because I know with certainty i am town.

of course you can’t trust other people’s claim, you have to find the evidence yourself.

what are you picking at here?

I mean that you shouldn't expect the rest of us to magically townread you and utterly dismiss the possibility you could be scum with Koki just because you say so.

And you still haven't addressed this.

[NicoRobin]

@Nico - why am I Town to you? Why weren’t you on my wagon?

Because your tone is towny.

[NicoRobin]

And because you are considering all the possibilities instead of tunneling, and in my humble experience, scum are more likely to just jump on me for easy mislynch, and since you are the only one that hasn't expressed such a sentiment so far, you are town.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, here are my responses

1. Why the hell should I believe that you and your townread are actually town? Just because you say so? Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.
2. I thought he had a guilty. Was supposed to keep silent and let you mislynch a possible JK over their guilty instead?
3. Again with 'what I believe'. All right then. Prove that what you believe is a fact. An actual fact. Not what you think is, but what actually is. Only then would I back down on this.

[NicoRobin]

In other words, prove me that you and Koki are town without implying that we should townread you both, no questions asked, just because you say so.

[NicoRobin]

Sure.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75360
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74718
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=71362
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=70506
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71471 (if you think I am lurking as scum, pay extra special attention to this one)

[NicoRobin]

That's cute. Now answer my points.

[NicoRobin]

And frankly, if I am town and read pro as town, why shouldn't be leery of you and Koki? You make it sound like you are the only one allowed to scumread others on the merit of your own towniness and that of your townread.....

[NicoRobin]

nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?

Because you are behaving like people should townread you just because you say so. From your standpoint, you should give the others the benefit of the doubt given that they do not know you are town. But you want us to believe that you are town, no ifs, and or buts, just because you say so. That's why you are scummier.

[NicoRobin]

And that's just it. If you were town, there would be no need to defend yourself that much, because other people would clearly see that you are town. The fact that you have is saying something.

[NicoRobin]

And this?

The moment I answer your question above, you ignore me. This proves that you are scared you would be exposed if you continue talking to me, and are taking an easy way out.

[NicoRobin]

nico, you selectively have not responded to my questions which i have asked continually about whether you have talked to tw about anything. i don't have much further desire to prove i am town, because i've done said things regarded to me being town probably 500 times in this thread, so the fact that you have not seen any of them is weird to me.

basically from where i stand koki can only ever be scum if she is scum with Maria. any other situation hardly makes sense. thus, from your perspective, given they have defended each other, i don't understand why you conclude it's more likely it's me and koki when i fought koki the majority of d1 and similarly continued much of that 1 vs. 1 d2.

the only situation i see where koki + maria is even plausible is if nico is town, but i am having a hard time reaching that conclusion since i believe koki is town, and from day start i felt if koki is town, then nico is scum, and vice versa; just like with maria and profii; because i felt both sets were extremely unlikely partners and it would have straight up be a combo of the two sets.

in this regard, you can say i have consistently followed my logic, as i really never seriously consider maria and profii to be plausible, or nico and koki. profii and koki does not make sense either. so therefore, scum pairs would have to be between (profii + nico), (maria + nico), and (koki + maria) undoubtedly.

so, why exactly am i scummier than the other 2 from your vantage point?

Are you trying to say that every time I would get lynched for being lurky, I would be scum, just because I was scum in that game? Sheer probability doesn't agree with you, unless you are thinking I would be scum in every single game where I lurk?

Because you are behaving like people should townread you just because you say so. From your standpoint, you should give the others the benefit of the doubt given that they do not know you are town. But you want us to believe that you are town, no ifs, and or buts, just because you say so. That's why you are scummier.

but here's the thing...


you have done the exact same thing, trying to prove how your meta absolutely makes it implausible for you to be scum, but you directly have a scum game that is an outlier. whereas i do not, thus it holds universally for me, it does not for you, and you really cannot win this debate lol because the numbers in the comparisons would easily favor my end of this argument

profii, your biggest townread, has done the exact same thing too, so the fact that you are holding this argument against me is flat-out redonkulous

[NicoRobin]

And that's just it. If you were town, there would be no need to defend yourself that much, because other people would clearly see that you are town. The fact that you have is saying something.

how many times have you defended yourself?

more times than you have a). stated scumreads of anyone, or b). done anything game relevant

this is utter bs, and if you are town than this is a very very poor argument. VOTE: Nico


see i wanted to reflect on koki and maria because they both hopped off my wagon d1 right after i said 2 scum would be on my lynchwagon d1 if i were mislynched, but you are leaving me no choice here but to continue to think you are scum for upholding your vote with things that you have done yourself consistently

Have I defended myself more times than YOU have? If yes, find proof, and I will concede. I will even hammer myself. Honest.

[NicoRobin]

And......he disappears.

I wonder why......?

[NicoRobin]

No. I gave you a chance to prove me wrong. Instead you go on a tangent about other things. I will not tolerate your bs anymore.

So if you don't grant me your request in your next post, all bets are off and you would lose any and all opportunities.