micro 816-I: spaam (normal game) (gambe over)

[Flavor Leaf]

Distancing is usually the reason if you're scum @Flavor Leaf. (I don't mean "you" and in you personally, I mean in general)

That being said - @Irrelephant on the case of Gamma/FL together - I mean..it's a possibility yeah, for me in terms of PoE but I don't see direct things to support it so I don't know.

Second part of it makes me lean a little less on my Gemeni/Gamma theory.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah, man. I’m back to Irrelephant/Gemeni.

[Flavor Leaf]

Irrelephant’s partner flipped town, too

[Flavor Leaf]

Wow if you're town you play an extremely frustrating game

When I’m town I generally do. That’s a town tell with me if you’re frustrated.

[Flavor Leaf]

wow how nice
It's a good thing this isn't a social team game where frustrating your own team is against your own wincon

It’s not! I try to win so hard, and I’m not frustrating my townies, they’re just frustrated by me from my natural personality!

People just don’t like that i take every option as a possibility and deeply analyze everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let's do the thing where I'm frustrated with you and we think the other might be scum but we also have an objective conversation

I'm gonna start pulling gamma's early interactions because while mutant/gemini isn't off the table, Gamma is my focus for now

pedit: also my frustration with you is that you have provided very little analysis for most of your theories

I feel there’s analysis. I’m explaining my reads quite well, I feel. Not every time, but I’ve done it before, and now I’m just piecing.

If it’s Gamma/Mutant, I’m stoked. I did just have a game finish where my Day 2 reads were fire, so I’m not opposed.

Gamma/Mutant
Gamma/Gemeni
Gemeni/Mutant
Gemeni/Irrelephant

One of those is the team.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know what. I think I’m good thinking that I was right Day 2 with Gamma/Mutant, and then after that they played in a way specifically so that couldn’t be seen anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma

GG. Gemeni and I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE

I’m willing to go Gamma and think i was correct with Gamma/Mutant.

I understand why Gamma is the one to pick first, as well, because a Mutant lynch if the team is Gamma/Myself wins. And for some reason it’s worse if I win than if Mutant wins

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, I can actually see TownMutant.

This is definitely just an experiment to fuck with my sanity.

[Flavor Leaf]

Technically speaking, by random voting I have a 40% chance to actually hit scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Irrelephant

I can’t get myself to scum read Gamma here.

I’m soul reading Gamma right now.

Everything screams town to me, but like...I get why he might be scum...

Aaaaaaaaah. I’m sticking with my gut at this point and noting else.

My bad if I’m wrong, y’all.

Irrelephant is what my gut is telling me do.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, just a side bar, this has been an extremely fun game guys. I’d happily play with any of you again.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol wat

Who’s my partner? We’ve already proved it’s not me/Gemini

lol

This is scum taunting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m town Flavor who just thinks this is TownGamma

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we no lynch? A flip would help because I literally have no clue where it’s at.

[Flavor Leaf]

GG, Gemeni and I were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma

I think Mutant is the partner and not FL because FL just directly scum aligned themselves with Gamma with their recent postings instead of just biting the bullet (so to speak) and voting them (in the case of Scum!FL)

Thanks, pal. Gamma hardcore played me this game, and he knows it if he was scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, Gamma/Mutant scum team would make me happy from being my first scum pairing this game.

Then Gamma just did to me what i accused Irrelephant of doing to gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

That's exactly what he wants you to think and I think that's kind of obvious

Doc is on me

Yeah, but you’ve been proven to be poor at reading me.

Unless you’re scum, this is yet just another game where you misread me correctly.

[Flavor Leaf]

It sucked because you were wrong? I thought it was pretty fun.

It’s Gemeni/Irrelephant.

Mutant doc’d me.

[Flavor Leaf]

VT. Don’t care who goes next.

[Flavor Leaf]

Once I realized there was a protective role out there, I started acting like i was the protective, which mixed well with paranoia on my slot, along with RC going “protect me”.

Scum wouldn’t have shot at RC during that for that reason. However, scum likely thought I was the PR, so they would have had to 50/50 it with me potentially protecting RC, or the last townie, the actual PR, who i am assuming is Mutant.

And with the way the Gamma wagon went down, I feel like I became pretty obvious town, so the fact I was acting like the last PR, scum shooting the PR would win them the game, as they just needed a night kill to go through.

I could be off and they actually shot RC to a protection, but I feel like that was less likely to have happened.

And that didn’t make sense to no kill here either.

If they did, they threw away a for sure game for them

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma

I think Mutant is the partner and not FL because FL just directly scum aligned themselves with Gamma with their recent postings instead of just biting the bullet (so to speak) and voting them (in the case of Scum!FL)

RC, please say that you see that it’s Gemeni/Irrelephant now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t mean to quote that

[Flavor Leaf]

Hell if it was doc and not on me the game is just solved

I expect a face off between two scum counterclaiming doc.

Don’t comment on this please, RC. Nothing against your opinion on the matter, I just don’t think it’s beneficial, if that makes sense.


Everyone claim in their next post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hell if it was doc and not on me the game is just solved

Honestly, even if it is on you it’s solved.

We’re both basically conf town before the role even claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

Im gonna wait and see what happens claim wise because at worst we have 5050 and at best a clear

Yeah, I’ll choose to not comment or analyze anything until after all the claims come out as well.

@Mutant/Gemeni/Irrelephant - claim in your next post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I don’t know what to say then, cuz I’m town. :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, I don’t know what to say then, cuz I’m town. :shrug:

I have something else to say after everyone claims, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I'm not allowed to copy from my friemd thread
I'll paraphrase, then. It went something like...

If I get shot, oh well, so assume I won't get shot:
If mutant & gemini are the team, they'll probably shoot FL
If mutant & FL are the team, they'll probably shoot gemini
If mutant & RC are the team (not likely), they'll probably shoot gemini
If FL & gemini are the team, they'll probably shoot mutant
If FL & RC are the team, they'll probably shoot mutant
If RC & gemini are the team, they'll probably shoot mutant

I don't think it's 1 or 3, so I'm gonna save mutant
Oh but what if mutant is scum
No, wait, just look at gemini/FL D1 interactions - they're the team, probably, and even if it's RC with one of them (would blow my mind, given I saved RC) this is still the right move

*a bunch more thoughts*

Yeah I'm right I'm gonna go PM schadd to doctor mutant

Also, this is pretty incorrect, especially considering it was a game winning kill. It didn’t matter who was shot.

I’ll comment more after the other 2 have claimed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Once I realized there was a protective role out there, I started acting like i was the protective, which mixed well with paranoia on my slot, along with RC going “protect me”.

Scum wouldn’t have shot at RC during that for that reason. However, scum likely thought I was the PR, so they would have had to 50/50 it with me potentially protecting RC, or the last townie, the actual PR, who i am assuming is Mutant.

And with the way the Gamma wagon went down, I feel like I became pretty obvious town, so the fact I was acting like the last PR, scum shooting the PR would win them the game, as they just needed a night kill to go through.

I could be off and they actually shot RC to a protection, but I feel like that was less likely to have happened.

And that didn’t make sense to no kill here either.

If they did, they threw away a for sure game for them

I mean, this shows I’m coming from a town perspective.

Alongside if I was scum, there was no way i would have been fighting Gamma lynch that hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gemeni’s confscum, though. Like I’ve been saying most of the game, but you know.

Good game, RC. I already said yesterday I was going to be the town losing mislynch. Took you long enough.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is fucked up.

Scum wins this game.

I’m actually town.

[Flavor Leaf]

All VT aren’t dead. I’m right here

[Flavor Leaf]

@RC - if you’re town, I don’t claim VT here as scum ever.

Especially with how I could have easily went back to some of my earlier posts and set up some sort of fake claim.

VT claim was not a safe claim as scum here. I also would have put in a lot of effort in thinking what to claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, let’s do a thing real quick, post game, you see me as green, we can say hypothetical for reasons, but it’ll actually happen,

As town, what would you have me do in this situation?

[Flavor Leaf]

if you're town, why are we having this discussion before gemini claims?

Why is this AI? Scum would wait to be able to go more logically.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just wanna talk. And I don’t have a PT to talk in besides my one with Profii.

I’ll try to keep shut. But I’m in “about to be mislynched” mode. You of all people should know what that’s like.

[Flavor Leaf]

All I want is for gemini to have as little info as possible to make a claim.

Yeah, I’ll shut up.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gemini if you're town unvote Irrelephant for a bit.

I mean nobody else is going to do anything. They’re fine cross voting each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

I shouldn't really have to tryhard here but I have decided I'm going to tryhard here anyway

I mean, this game is on you at this point. We’re in a direct 2v2 with you on the side.

I can case why the scum team is Mutant/Irrelephant if you’d like. I already made a post on it in my pt with Profii.

[Flavor Leaf]

Basically, even before Gemeni claimed, the only thing that made sense from my perspective was that Gemeni was the actual protective, because Mutant and Irrelephant set me up to be the mislynch here.

Mutant probably claimed his actual role as scum.

I was acting like I had a role all day yesterday, and after being the only one not on Gamma, town doesn’t roleblock me.

Also, my analysis on why everyone on the Irrelephant wagon was town was completely correct Day 2, which makes sense as to why mutant stated he would hammer Irrelephant, but never did, and took their sweet time.

After I was confirmed not to be the doctor with my opening, Irrelephant claimed his partner was the kill to setup this direct 2v2, and Mutant roleblock claim was safe because TownIrrelephant = townMutant in that sense, but they were both scum.

This also fits my theory from earlier when I said Irrelephant takes the place of Gamma in my Gamma/Mutant scum team when a i was able to townlock Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's 2v2 from your perspective but from my point of view it's 1/3 in

FL/Gemini
FL/Irrelephant
Mutant/Irrelephant

and I want to read associatives again before I do anything, particularly given that I've been wrong on virtually everything this game

I guess that makes sense, but Irrelephant was clearly setting me up to be the fall person. Why not just claim he doc’d me, and then have us go Mutant?

[Flavor Leaf]

you predicted gemini claiming to have protected me yesterday, though. why?

My post was about after I shut up.

When I realized something weird was coming up because I know I’m not scum, so I knew Gemeni had to be something, because at that point, there were no other options because everything else revolves around me being scum, but I know I’m not. So Mutant/Irrelephant being the scum team with those claimed actions meant Gemeni had to have been the protective.

Also, scum roleblocked me then tried to kill you, in case I was the doctor. They didn’t shoot at me probably then because they probably figured that if Gemeni was the protective she’d protect me since she was saying I was town at the end of the day yesterday, and RC was screaming to protect him.

That just a lucky outguess. It was the only situation that scum would fail that kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm actually town doctor - RC/RC/RC are my protects, I retargeted RC because I figured scum would have expected me to change my doc targets. Irrelephant is scum for his counterclaim. VOTE: Irrelephant

The changing makes sense too, actually. They probably expected RC to not get protected two nights in a row, and if Gemeni was Doctor they felt she’d protect me, and then they chose to roleblock me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yesterday you started talking about Gemini claiming a protect on me out of nowhere
today you started talking about mutant protecting you out of nowhere

I theorize a lot of tinfoil hats, and go through a lot of what if’s.

[Flavor Leaf]

Look at the amount of scum theatre Irrelephant and I would have had to pull of Day 2.

I also was pushing Irrelephant at the end of yesterday, and was the only one not on Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yesterday you started talking about Gemini claiming a protect on me out of nowhere
today you started talking about mutant protecting you out of nowhere

This really isn’t that important.

I came into this day thinking it was Gemeni/Irrelephant is why the mutant one happened. But then Irrelephant claimed he doc’d mutant.

Basically, I mixed Gemeni and Mutant as the Irrelephant partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

i really wish I was in the 1v1 and not outside of it

Yeah, i don’t envy you.

[Flavor Leaf]

d1 final vc

Ircher (5):

the worst, Gamma Emerald, RadiantCowbells, Flavor Leaf, GeminiTwin12

GeminiTwin12 (1):

Ircher

Irrelephant11 (1):

mutantdevle

Prof Fridays (1):

Irrelephant11

the worst (1):

Prof Fridays

not voting (0):

with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch

This might be a point against me, but Gemeni and I would have had to jump on here pretty aimlessly. Terribly even. I naked voted/fake hammer gambit’d and then Gemeni hammers within a couple pages, I believe.

Means both scum were off the wagon. Worst, Gamma were green, then you joined. That’s a pretty strong wagon, tbh.


Prof Fridays died that night. Irrelephant was pushing Prof then goes “who would have killed?” Prof Friday was on TW. Who gets pushed my Irrelephant Day 2? The worst.

Also, Mutant had been on Irrelephant all day Day 1, then chooses not to stay away from Irrelephant Day 2, shying away from the hammer, yet making sure we knew that he was “okay hammering”.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’ve also hard defending three townies that flipped in Prof Friday, The Worst, and Gamma.

However I did end up hammering TW, but if anything I feel that would have hurt my chances as scum.

I don’t get rid of my supporters.

[Flavor Leaf]

You want me to vote irrelephant?

I'd prefer it if you kept engaging with Gemini tbh.

When trying to convince to hop on the Elephant wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we lynch Irrelephant? He’s setting up a multiple mislynch path with that gamma/Mutant/Tw/FL speal.

Oh yeah, and this.

The mislynch path speal literally went The Worst, then Gamma, now it’s coming onto me.

Going through their ISO’s they’ve been soft busing each other constantly when they have low number of votes on each other.

They use each other for placeholder votes, and case each other, but when push comes to shove they back off.

[Flavor Leaf]

why did irrelephant try to push the lynch on mutant > gamma yesterday if they're buddies?

I mean, you’d have to say the same thing for me and Gemeni and for me and Irrelephant.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gemeni’s obviously setting up a fake protective claim, so that doesn’t entirely work. It can to an extent, but i love me some loopy claiming paths.

If Gemini claimed doctor I probably wouldn't believe it.

[Flavor Leaf]

My only issue is, why wouldn’t Mutant or Gemeni hammer you when you were at L-1? However, if I am to believe RC is town, that means my analysis with there being 0 scum on your wagon was correct, and even if RC was scum, the only teams I see being possible are

Gemeni-Mutant
Gemeni-Irrelephant
Gemeni-RC

No matter what, Gemeni is scum.

Gemeni also didn’t want to mass claim even though it’s MYLO.

I was hard pushing Gemeni at one point.

Looking back, Gemeni is also the one who didn’t want to mass claim in MYLO. Good call, Gem.

[Flavor Leaf]

talking specifically yesterday
if you knew there was a doctor you would want to out the doctor so bussing Gemini, having her claim doctor on the way out, eating the towncred for her lynch and taking out the doctor is a pretty solid play

Ah, you’re leaning towards Irrelephant and me as the scum team. I see.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because if you are thinking of me trying to mislynch Gemeni, the only other option for me being scum is Irrelephant.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I understand where I misread.

[Flavor Leaf]

You guys ended up all voting my strongest town read, though.

Wasn’t Gemeni your strongest town read?

[Flavor Leaf]

talking specifically yesterday
if you knew there was a doctor you would want to out the doctor so bussing Gemini, having her claim doctor on the way out, eating the towncred for her lynch and taking out the doctor is a pretty solid play

Not when you’re in this game still

You’d have pointed this out pretty early had I done this, and I wouldn’t have had Gemeni in this scenario

[Flavor Leaf]

i was townreading irrel/gemini
i thought you/mutant were scum

maria thought the scumteam was... irrelephant/gemini

so i'm not exactly feeling good about this game

That’s what I was at too.

Maria is actually pretty good at catching me when I’m scum. Only person to have ever vigged me, and I was scum there.

Trust Maria that if I was scum, Maria’d have sniffed me out.

[Flavor Leaf]

all the scumteams feel pretty awful at this point

Think about it this way, if we kill Irrelephant today, then Gemeni dies tonight, and it’s a Mutant/RC/Flavor 3p lylo tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you truly think if I were scum I’d have been duping both you and Maria here?

This is obnoxious townLeaf. You’ve seen this over and over when I’m trying to get you to see things the way I’m seeing it. (Different perspectives are easier to read things, like it is here for me, you’d be having to do this for me if we were switched.)

We’re undefeated together as Town/Town, I believe.

[Flavor Leaf]

Plus, that roleblocker claim is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Aight. I’ll let you at it for a bit. I won’t be upset if you vote incorrectly. You’re in a crappy spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Odd night watcher, I believe. We’d have to believe they were same night.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah. Goon and odd night roleblocker vs odd night watcher, doc, Enabler makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Basically, even before Gemeni claimed, the only thing that made sense from my perspective was that Gemeni was the actual protective, because Mutant and Irrelephant set me up to be the mislynch here.

Mutant probably claimed his actual role as scum.

I was acting like I had a role all day yesterday, and after being the only one not on Gamma, town doesn’t roleblock me.

Also, my analysis on why everyone on the Irrelephant wagon was town was completely correct Day 2, which makes sense as to why mutant stated he would hammer Irrelephant, but never did, and took their sweet time.

After I was confirmed not to be the doctor with my opening, Irrelephant claimed his partner was the kill to setup this direct 2v2, and Mutant roleblock claim was safe because TownIrrelephant = townMutant in that sense, but they were both scum.

This also fits my theory from earlier when I said Irrelephant takes the place of Gamma in my Gamma/Mutant scum team when a i was able to townlock Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean I'd question why they want the all in on you but I guess they might have thought I wouldn't vote Gemini no matter what

Why do you question it? I’ve been bringing up how you incorrectly scum read me multiple times this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we lose we lose because our first two lynches were shit ftr

Ircher basically gt and y'all quicklynched TW while I wasn't here

And the Gamma lynch was poor.

I don’t really think any of those mislynches add up. That’s just how games go. If scum win, it’s generally because they got solid mislynches and got themselves out Scott free.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean I'd question why they want the all in on you but I guess they might have thought I wouldn't vote Gemini no matter what

Also, I claimed VT is why. They had to go all in on the non doctor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather go Mutant today, since that forces Irrelephant to not kill Gemeni, and Gemeni can potentially get another save, but that’s from my confirmed perspective now.

Plus, Mutant/RC/Flavor final 3 is scary.

[Flavor Leaf]

I saw this coming from a while back, though.

I started saying I was going to end up being the game losing mislynch.

I don’t necessarily think that’s the case here.

I’m obnoxious, but I’m not scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

You should realize if mutant flips scum the game is solved universally

? I don’t think I ever insinuated it wasn’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fmpov mutant is a strictly inferior lynch to Irrelephant so that's never happening, sorry.

No, I get it.

It’s just long journey for a short drink of water kinda deal. Spending a lot of time for the same end result.

But I get it.

[Flavor Leaf]

You should realize if mutant flips scum the game is solved universally

And you’ve been contemplating Irrelephant/FL, which is why I brought up that final 3 being scary.

[Flavor Leaf]

mutant is never a scum odd-night roleblocker (would have won last night)
mutant is never town when I'm scum (I wouldn't block a mislynch like this)

This is why they are scum, RC.

Mutant though I was the doctor which is why i was roleblocked by them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will be away for the day. Might post WAY LATE tonight, but yeah. I’ll be away for the day.

Please don’t vote until I can come back.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL regardless of your alignment you should vote gemini
If you're town you'll hit scum
If you're scum you'll hit scum and look townier than RC does rn and maybe have a chance next lylo

This is why this is scum pandering.

Why would I ever see that Gemeni isn’t town here?

From my perspective, you being town requires Mutant to be town as well.

That means for me to believe that you two are town, i have to believe RC is scum, and this is townRC.

This is actually a slip, RC. As town, there’s absolutely zero reason he would make a “regardless of your alignment” comment. From his perspective, there CANT be a world where I am town if you are conftown.

Like, there’s absolutely zero reason he should be saying that here.

That is a Freudian slip right there.

[Flavor Leaf]

RC. I’m town. I’d never have gotten this far with you as town and me as scum duping you this hard, along with Maria.

You have that paranoia of me like you have every game at the end game.

Please, just trust that our town/town combo doesn’t need lose...

I’ll be back tonight or early tomorrow.

Don’t vote yet please.