Micro 830: DoY II: Plato's Symposium! Lyncher/Inquisitor Win

[Carmen]

Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

Eager to have rolled wolf?

VOTE: Krazy

[Carmen]

Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

Eager to have rolled wolf?

VOTE: Krazy

That’s an interesting statement. Is that RVS? Or am I missing something?

I'm not sure where your confusion comes in. What's "interesting" about it?

[Carmen]

Not sure how he finds it interesting but I find it interesting because it is not entirely obvious if your reason was tongue in cheek as a RVS or if you are serious here. More interesting is that you did not clarify when this was pointed out. Almost like you don't want to give a hard reason yet.

"Almost like I don't want to give a hard reason yet"? What the fuck? Are you joking?

You seem to think there's some sort of ambiguity here, so I want you to answer me this: what do you think I could possibly be "serious" about in that post?

[Carmen]

Mini, don't want to see a hammer happen suddenly. Did not realize 4 ends in a hammer aright away. Still want to see a response here.

Yeah, the three person scumteam is going to quickhammer me on page two.

[Carmen]

James:
Yep, Fa_Q2 is townlocked for me.
Krazy, would you tell me some about your meta? How do you play as town? Scum? PR?

You're locktowning him... after four posts?

[Carmen]

wtf are you sure it's a 3 scumteam

I only vaguely know fa_ scum and they haven't posted enough for me to tell

Also Carmen wagon is so random

And yeah there's no way it's a 3 scum scumteam

OK the more I read it over the more it seems like Carmen was using a hyperbole and not actually serious or thinking about that number

VOTE: Carcalilly

[Carmen]

Mini, don't want to see a hammer happen suddenly. Did not realize 4 ends in a hammer aright away. Still want to see a response here.

Yeah, the three person scumteam is going to quickhammer me on page two.

Why mention a number in the scum team here? I have heard that statement a thousand times in various forms here but I don't think that anyone has ever said something so awkward as 'the three person scum team' like this. It just does not fit.

I thought yours was the only vote on me. Concern over a quickhammer seemed ridiculous.

[Carmen]

If you aren't seeing Carcalilly scum here, you aren't looking hard enough.

[Carmen]

Because there's no guarantee Maria is the only one with flavor-name related mechanics. If Maria says she already has the real name, then there is no reason to tell a potential third party or scum the real flavor name.

Krazy is probably town for his concern over revealing flavor info. Scum have more info about the setup and what roles there are, and in the first place are probably less concerned about potential malicious actions against them unless it's some kind of investigation.

[Carmen]

Also townleaning Inferno.

[Carmen]

I can claim if you want given my action has to happen n1.
I know someone is (put flavor here) as I'm not saying what flavor that is but I need to decide if I want to kill that player night 1 or give them x bps

The fact that there's apparently a role that can kill someone night one is reason for pause. Can this setup really end night one if you misvig someone?

[Carmen]

BEF is a gut scumlean but I have no doubts I can clarify that better given time.

[Carmen]

I think everything he's said about me has been terrible, but in more of a personal sense than in a scum-indicative sense. He's null for me so far otherwise.

[Carmen]

It's a bastard, this game could have ended in pre-game LOL

Is it? Hadn't realized. I remember that this is apparently the second in some series but I can't find the first game to see what that setup was like.

[Carmen]

What do you think of Carcalilly and why isn't it a scumread?

[Carmen]

I'm a little worried she's too scummy to be scum here, but don't hold me to that.

Thinking like that will lead you straight away from the correct solution nine times out of ten.

[Carmen]

Oh, wonderful, even more nonsense to deal with.

No offense to the mod.

[Carmen]

I don't understand the connection.

[Carmen]

What's your read on me?

[Carmen]

I'm going to solve this game whether this lobby wants to shitlynch me or not. That's just the way things are going to be.

[Carmen]

So if you want to beat me in postcount, you better start solving

[Carmen]

I lynched him fairly recently in a recently completed game and I think the manner in which I did so left an impression.

By the way, you're saying that you think he's somehow scared of you such that he wouldn't RVS you as scum? That's a stretch.

[Carmen]

Oh, wonderful, even more nonsense to deal with.

No offense to the mod.

None taken!

While you're here, would you mind linking me the previous game in this series?

[Carmen]

I lynched him fairly recently in a recently completed game and I think the manner in which I did so left an impression.

I keep wanting to do this and now I think I'm going to do it

Vote FA_Q

Hope he's not like Profii and is just someone I'm always thinking is scum but never is

No, no real impression. I don't actually recall which game that was.

This is +scum indicative for FA. Townpoints to anyone who can guess why I think this.

[Carmen]

It could be I'm really egotistical. Or maybe he thinks I'll townread him for having the balls to vote me. I'm open minded, although I had him in my top 3 for likely town.

Where does your gutscumlean come from?

Also what do you think of FA's double voting?

I don't think I should bother explaining any deeper. Like I said, I can get a better picture given time. If I have something to tell you later, I'll tell you.

Don't really have an opinion one way or the other on the doublevoter and I don't think anyone should.

[Carmen]

cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

Bingo. There's also a small element of a guilty conscience, assuming that you talking about someone you're voting would be him even when the context doesn't make immediate sense.

[Carmen]

cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

Bingo. There's also a small element of a guilty conscience, assuming that you talking about someone you're voting would be him even when the context doesn't make immediate sense.

Assuming that he is talking about me - the only player he mentions in his post is scum indicative...

That is asinine.

Not reading the context of the conversation taking place in the two posts directly above the one you responded to -

that

is scum indicative.

But hey, cool your jets. I'm still voting Carcalilly. You should be too, really.

[Carmen]

Like I don't hate carca for scum, she's in my bottom 3 atm, but do you wanna join me on FAQ wagon? I think we can push him thru today and be better off for it

Nope. Not for now.

I might come around to Carca but right now FA_Q has a stronger scum stench

btw what's your avi from?

Just a piece of art.

[Carmen]

What are you doing in 117? Do you have some kind of instant lynch?

[Carmen]

Day 1 begins now and will last until a hammer is dropped

I mean it's right there in the opening post. Drop a hammer and the day ends, ez

Gotcha. You got my hopes up for a second thinking that we had a dayvig.

[Carmen]

Stop canvassing people onto a wagon that isn't the one that I'm voting on.

[Carmen]

By the way, BEF's latest two posts don't do him any favors.

[Carmen]

I'm going to leave my vote on BEF for reasons, but my top scumread is still Carcalilly.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[Carmen]

Whatever you want to believe.

By the way, if you're curious, I'm no longer townreading you.

[Carmen]

You should know that the first thing I do when people try to be friendly with me is check to see if they have a habit of killing the people that they're friendly with. I get the sense that you do!

[Carmen]

You don't have to townread me you just have to vote FA_Q

What if I told you I have more reason to scumread you than him right now?

[Carmen]

You don't seem to care at all for my reasons.

[Carmen]

Why has every single person who's popped into the thread since I've gotten here just responded to one of the recent posts and ignored everything else? Is this really some bastard 4 scum setup? Start being townier, town.

[Carmen]

You don't seem to care for my reasons, you don't seem to care for my sudden read switch or for convincing me that you're town, and you don't even

really

seem to care for convincing me that FA is scum outside of just directly asking me to vote there with you.

[Carmen]

Why has every single person who's popped into the thread since I've gotten here just responded to one of the recent posts and ignored everything else? Is this really some bastard 4 scum setup? Start being townier, town.

You need to relax a little not much has happened and you're trying to make a train go with no steam. Let the thread flow and it'll be fine

From what I saw in the posts scumreading me early on, being more forward seems prudent. But, sure.

I think this post is +town indicative, by the way.

[Carmen]

Yeah, I'm hard turning to townleaning BEF. Scumreading Krazy more now.

[Carmen]

You don't seem to care for my reasons, you don't seem to care for my sudden read switch or for convincing me that you're town, and you don't even

really

seem to care for convincing me that FA is scum outside of just directly asking me to vote there with you.

it sounded like you were logging off tbh

I thought you were voting BEF because you wanted to put your vote on a secondary read while you passed out or something

ok I'll bite: "why the bef vote?"

I'm not referring to my reasons for voting BEF, I'm referring to the reasons for my scumread on you. I don't think this response ever comes from town in your situation:

You don't have to townread me you just have to vote FA_Q

What if I told you I have more reason to scumread you than him right now?

Then I'd say you're wrong lol

[Carmen]

BEF don't take your vote off yet.

[Carmen]

I don't think this response ever comes from town

well you can be wrong about that too

if you think town responds with anything other than "you're wrong" to a "you're scum" accusation with 0 explanation then I don't know what you expect when you play this game.

How about a "why do you think that"? How about a "what changed your mind it seemed like you had an entirely different opinion mere minutes ago"? How about a "you've described reasons to scumread FA, why not vote him"?

All reasonable questions.

[Carmen]

James:
Lucky for you all
I’ve gamesolved
Scum is Fa/Carmen
Carmen is hard bussing his partner, then tunnels Krazy when he starts so scumread Fa.

Wow, you must "gamesolve" a lot. Except... Krazy scumread FA before I did.

[Carmen]

A) Word semantics is a weird way to approach this. B) The fact that 3 is mentioned specifically bugs me. That's odd. Thinking that Carmen knows something here that we don't.

You must really think I'm an absolute idiot to actually believe this. Here's your theory: rather than me miscounting how many votes were on me, I have some sort of information that there are apparently three scum (already a reach), and I decided to say this because... why?

[Carmen]

I saw that he called a quote wall of around 8 posts "active lurking" and have resolved to stop responding.

[Carmen]

I care way more than I should about winning this and all it's doing is just frustrating me.

[Carmen]

Whatever.

Krazy has been trying to buddy people a lot and I'm pretty sure he does that more as scum than as town.
All of Carcalilly's early posts were incredibly awkward and none of her reads seem to be real.
I think Inferno and BEF are town.
Not sure on FA and Maria really. I can relate to FA's frustration at asinine reasons but it's probably a bad idea to townread him off of that. If FA is town I would put Maria at more likely to be scum, don't really like the way she's pushed him.

[Carmen]

Hey FA, are there any restrictions on your double vote?

[Carmen]

VOTE: Krazy

[Carmen]

If fa flips town here you can openly push me Carmen

Wow, generous.

What do you even mean by this? Assuming this was a normal game with two scum we'd be in LyLo tomorrow. Are you saying you'd roll over, or...?

[Carmen]

Lovely.

[Carmen]

I expect to get scumread tomorrow regardless of whatever FA flips, so that should be fun.

Any way to speed up the night deadline?

[Carmen]

oh shit can we just Krazy and Maria conftown at this point

Why?

[Carmen]

Unless the mod just hasn't had time yet. I'm thinkin since FA claimed Socrates and possibly has the Loved modifier, so that would put him after my vote at L-1. If this is the case, I believe him to be town, so I will unvote.
If the mod just hasn't been able to update than he can ignore this and my hammer will stand.

UNVOTE: FA_Q2

What could possibly lead you to think that he's loved?

[Carmen]

Yes, I gathered that.

I was asking what from the flavor claim would lead to the seemingly picked out of thin air idea that he'd be loved and subsequently the decision to simply hammer him like that.

[Carmen]

oh shit can we just Krazy and Maria conftown at this point

Why?

For one, Krazy just asked the mod to assign someone as town doctor.
And another, Maria's claim is probably soon to be proved/why would scum ask for town's input on her role actions?

That isn't towny, and Maria didn't ask for "input", she asked for role info.

[Carmen]

VOTE: FA_Q just to make double sure

You realize that if he wasn't already lynched then this doesn't do anything more, right?

[Carmen]

...Weren't you null on him anyways? Didn't you have no real scumleans to speak of? Is there some reason in specific you wanted to "make double sure" that he's dead?

[Carmen]

Great work, team.

Ready to listen now?

[Carmen]

VOTE: Krazy

This should have happened yesterday.

[Carmen]

Enlighten me.

[Carmen]

Sorry, I don't get the reference.

[Carmen]

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about then I don't see how that's supposed to change my mind about anything.

[Carmen]

Because it's not more likely to come from town than from scum, especially from someone who had me as second most likely to be scum after FA flipped town?

[Carmen]

Scum can kill and use an action on the same night. Just asked the mod.

Try again.

[Carmen]

do you townread BEF?

More than you or Carca, though I'm beginning to doubt my Carca scumread.

[Carmen]

InfernoBrafin has scumsided the entire game but I'm also not convinced that it's actually because they're scum.

[Carmen]

If you thought I was scum, why would you care about changing my mind and why would you do specifically what you did (hint: not a good thing to do to someone who you think is scum)?

[Carmen]

Yeah.

[Carmen]

this was a mistake.