micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

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seeking replacement for yurikojasmine

consider the deadline paused, i will figure out how to extend it once slots are filled

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Lol I ruby'd
Ah well

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haha, ellibereth was right.

Is that what this post was about?

and woah nice thanks. I should try this again sometime.

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I think you've only seen me as scum in American Presidents but I feel like you read town!me better than usual in that last Stack the Deck...i remember saying "when you see my scumgame you'll know it" and ye I think you read me really well atm

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Fuck, that’s killing my will to read the rest of the game over along with my pre-existing block
I think I’ll just work with what I got from the first 8 pages, with the slightest chance of looking over robot specifically in light of this reveal.

I don't mind repeating myself out of character if there's anything you wanna jam about to concrete your read on me?

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ye that's cool, a lot of people misread me the other way around because I can project confidence and righteousness fairly well as scum but... yeah there's definitely a noticeable difference which I kinda struggle to remedy with how much I post

and no probs, catch you later on

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BRING IT GAMMA

ye what did you think of my take on vizzy? I legitimately townread him before I replaced in and was fairly happy with my read

like I had him =~ nsg (maybe a tier below) because I sincerely doubt either of them starts coalition off the way they did as wolves, obviously a very different style of reading them though

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I'm not sure what minideathstar's tell list is, and probably wouldn't be using generic scumtells to read such an infamously lynchable player

pedit: Ooo nice

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I'll take that as a compliment, I like his style

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Hmm ok, I haven't read it and honestly probably won't look it up in this instance because I'm not a firm believer in tell lists and I have TMI on vizzy's alignment.

Performer.... another player I like a lot! the compliments just keep coming

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The worst, since you've played with some of the people in this list multiple times, can you expand on how strong your reads are on them based on your personal experience and which are based purely on play this game?

I feel like I've been pretty transparent about my reads and like.. not a lot has changed except I can give somewhat more detail now but... ok

northsidegal - ingame reasons informed by meta
The Dark Wanderer - ingame reasons only no meta
Raya36 - ingame reasons only cbf meta reading
the wost probs a robot Musicjax - TMI
Not_Mafia TesXX - ingame reasons on Tes ingame informed by meta on NM
YurikoJasmine - ingame only
Gamma Emerald - largely ingame but I am somewhat balanced out by my cognisance of my low ability to read Gamma generally
DVa - ingame only no meta
skitter30 - scumread was heavily applied meta, current turnaround in read is basically ingame content informed by reappraised meta

yeah, I'm seeing how this can be town!you as well. looking back I don't think I've ever categorically misread town!you before (except that one time which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

Which game was this btw?
My best guess is is jungle-republic? Otherwise im blanking and idk what this is referring to

that's the one ye
I initially incorrectly scumread you then realised you were town but kept scumreading you anyway bc I was feelin fanceh

Why are people townreading Raya
He hasn’t seemed scummy but he’s been low impact and hasn’t struck many chords

oh I really liked Raya's contributions :/ they weren't EXPLOSIVE and MIND BLOWING but they felt pure and the content was game solvey and likeable

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Tbf Raya has dropped to my lowest confidence coalition-calibre townread for like...that reason

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I'm incredibly honoured.
Have we met on MU, TDW? if so you have seen my scumgame. Mod bot hates me.

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That's awesome. and no problems; let me know if there's anything you want to talk about now that I can speak in more detail. Nice to meetcha again btw.

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PM	Username	First Post	Last Post	Elapsed Time	Posts	V/LA Ends
	Not_Mafia	Nov 18, 01:18pm	Nov 23, 05:24pm	4 days 21 hours	4

Not_Mafia (3):

Gamma Emerald, DVa, skitter30

probs a robot

(2): YurikoJasmine,

Not_Mafia

DVa (1):

Raya36

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I was wondering that earlier as well.. I guess day one, 38 pages is a little bit rough for a micro? I'd replace in.

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WOOO we'll be rocking and rolling in approx. 1 month!!
might like.... nakedly mention this need in certain secret discord circles.......

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what does nice mean

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REL YO WASSUP

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imo skitter/tw are only ever scum together

mm maybe I take this back

ye good one to take back but I kinda get the paranoia on this

can the scumteam be yuriko+not_mafia

yes imo
I acrually cased the first 100 posts on this basis a while ago but no one seemed interested so I stopped

wanna have a read?

I think yuriko healing tesxx on like page 2 was partner-indicative, btw, I'm not just pulling yuriko+nm out of nowhere or just based on activity

no I agree they have plenty of partner indicative stuff

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you are the best for this rep in btw <3

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I cordially invite any COMPUTER USER present currently or momentarily to embark on an adventure down the rabbit hole with me.
in tonight's episode of The Robot Had Too Much Coffee, I am going to a tunnel a {LHF rep'd out, LHF rep'd out} scumteam for about 80 posts worth of content and see if it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

I compulsively comment on RVS to see if it suits the alignment which I believe a player may be, and so:
this can easily come from Yuriko as either alignment tbqh but it never surprises me to see it from her as a wolf.

in essence it's approaching the thread with a curious (>rand town) mindset with respect to mechanics (>rand wolf) and interacts with nobody (>rand wolf)
either way it's definitely a nervous tonality, may need to investigate her tones as either alignment later

I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm

i mean you don't have to but i know i'm town so

what do you mean by 'even supposed' to?

I mean, well, does our "Heals" towards ourselves count...

i assumed it counted since i could do it the last time this setup was ran

ah cool.

feel free to not answer this, but is english your first language?

I was taught and raised bilingual since young but majority of my society speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of Chinese
School and work is in English.

i do not believe this is intended to be manipulative, just high tier coasty

ah ok

your first post felt a little weird, like it was written a little strangely; almost a little forced somehow? but i realized from your next post that you might not be a native english speaker

so i'm not going to really consider weird tonal things from you as being much ai either way

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

i mean yeah uncomfortable/inconsistent tonality is scummy
not really sure what the motivation in lolvoting the person itt engaging with you is but whatever, it's not towny and not particularly wolfy

:shrug: people don’t appreciate humour nowadays

@skitter: that question was genuine tho, would want some feedback from you

w h o
c a r e s

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

eh actually not sure s/s if tes enters the thread voting with his buddy
heal wise this is optimal s/s for tes' entrance strategy i'm just not sure about the vote

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

wolfy but nsg picked up on it quicker than me
actually jumping ahead in time, i think this:

I dislike northsidegal (I keep reading her name as “nothingsideal”)’s overall fishing style, asking questions that are either obvious (#27) and spec-related (#49) (what I mean here is that it sounds like a random question to a random person just for question’s sake).

is probably a wolf reacting to being asked a question she has literally no answer for.
on reflection it's pretty obvious yuriko is coasting here and has no motivation in waiting for skitter to answer the question. skitter's answer for the record is

i mean i've literally had arguments with people about how random capitalization makes their posts seem weird so

this is a very broad question, and basically it depends on the context (ie what's going on in the game, have i played with the player before, what they normally sound like, etc)

like if a post sounds constructed i would find that sketchy because it sounds like they're trying to craft posts to achieve some sort of affect. if i then learned that english wasn't their first language i would find it less so since they may not realize they used a phrasing that sounds a little strange when trying to communicate

basically i don't inherently view it as scummy, but rather as something to poke at to learn more about the context

which is a pretty detailed question which like a really good explanation of why she approached yuriko the way she did early in the game (wouldn't say it's potently AI within the context of skitter's meta but I would expect an explanation of this quality to evoke some kind of reaction especially if Yuriko was actually holding up on reading slots for skitter to answer it. for the record, yuriko's next comment on skitter was in her read list here

Re: skitter and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!"). I don't like how she asked northsidegal to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.

which is like a terrific way of completely ducking the fact she asked a pointless question and got called out on it

her reactionarily scumreading nsg without ever bothering to engage her for asking 'obvious questions' when personally i'm still baffled what the fuck yuriko was trying to accomplish is probably fairly filthy, idk if it's an experience level/playstyle thing or i'm starting to tunnel so someone pls stop me if this sounds like it's just A Thing Townies Do and i'm being bad

anyway back to post 25

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hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

i do want to s/s read this a little bit
kinda doubt town watching town voting with them during rvs bothers to question the other town's vote on a slot they've expressed a level of discomfort in
also kinda doubt scum watching town sheeping them onto a wagon ignores all of the townie's comments and asks why they've followed their vote
probs a fair reaction to seeing your literal scumbuddy voting with you in rvs

again please tell me if i'm being stupid

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

is your read on skitter contingent on how she answers that question?

nsg #goodposting
spoiler: it's not and yuriko doesn't think it is

More posts to come later obviously but here are some first thoughts.
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Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town

I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.

i have consulted with my databases once again and once again they have provided an adequate reaction:
THIS SUX.

HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town

Disagreed. It looks really fake to me. Either this is newbscum trying to protect his partner or it's just bad logic.

ah, ye olde shade throw
town probably isn't exempted from doing this and i kinda like his newbscum thought but i don't like it a LOT

dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

waht
maybe he's saying it's weird to call dva out on singling out gamma after voting gamma and saying he's town but like??
i'm not sure i kinda think this was something he just felt like he should probably say that didn't mean anything, did he ever explain the post 18 thing?
the fact his opening post is geared entirely towards making two players look bad pings agendaey

actually i'm gonna use the scum word
it

reeeeeeeeeks

agendaey

Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine

This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20

mfw chainsaw defense p2
is this too much to be w/w?
also lukewarm hot take: his stance on gamma is fake

Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist

Which, lynch me immediately if I'm wrong, seems like the most obvious joke ever. I cant possibly think of a reason someone would think its serious.

this is a really neat way to feathersoft defend yuriko without actually weighing into anything except tunnelling his chosen victims

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30

Why vote skitter?

Oh I'd been in a few games with her in the past and she was outside the foolproof townbloc

> tunnels two slots
> voting another slot
> claims vote is on the slot because he considers skitter lynchable

you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?

I will admit something in this gives me genuine town curiosity vibes. Kinda unsure on this one.

> freezes
> realises fake wolfread is really bad
> doesn't fix it

you might be town

Elaboration here would be cool.

asking skitter for more is probably nai, asking for an elaboration on a read which imo is fairly already obvious is probably not solvey

i should mention that in general i would expect scum not to feel the need to argue that the things that i was townreading him for were not alignment indicative but that's heavily personality dependent

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

and

VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3

Is this a joke/rvs vote or a legit one

highly uninteresting busywork question strike 2

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

objectively correct and i forgot how much i liked gamma's reaction here!

This is an incredibly wolfy post

Again, elaboration would be cool

i think this is genuinely frustrated but i know i get frustrated when i'm a wolf and feel like i'm doing good woofin' and people are correctly scumreading me for reasons which i don't like/understand so this is kinda whatever imo

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

@nsg mind if i ask what you were angling at with this read? (since it's pretty well passed and tes is out of the picture now)

VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me

What I saw was a forced vote on someone making an obvious joke, and that was what I showed. If you were trying to get a read then I didn't see it.

ok

This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.

skeptical about what, exactly?

Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

ok

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

need to speak to nsg about this bc like
is there ever another answer to this question?

missed this:

this is an intensely good post

newbie 1797 i'm pretty sure is the one game
this was with the old newbie setup and he was 1sbp

without that i prob would have scumread him; he's kinda lynchbait-y

from what i remember he's like very forthright and he doesn't really care how he comes off if that makes sense, or if it makes him looks scummy. he just says it anyways which is kinda what i'm getting from him here, with him going through like every post like that; he jsut says exactly what he thinks without overthinking it

the try-harding feels kinda townie to me

(writing this out i'm realizing that it's possible he felt that way in that game cuz he was 1sbp and not getting lynched, but i think it's more how he approaches the game than related to the role, idk)

ah ok i need to read this newbie as well
i think from a tonal/agenda perspective he reads very differently here to his old town games. but i did read a vt game. i know lynchbait is lynchbait so i might just be chomping down too hard here but lynchbait can rand wolf as well and he's actually reading like he's just a wolf to me?

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

unfortunately this point means nothing (which i know gamma is aware of) but this is probably ~when the heat on Tes started to simmer

Binally fack
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Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team

can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.

No. Skeptical as in I'm LESS certain they're a scumteam.
Still probably my best bet but it did sort of make me reconsider.

ok you still have no reads except for a really bad scumteam

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?

Nah

would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?

Well I mean this is my first ms game in over a year I think so there isn't really any accurate description of "how I usually play as town." Usually I change my play with every game because I'm trying to improve from the last game.

also, you missed this:

This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)

why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?

Yeah my bad I forgot this one.
I thought it was worth pointing out because I thought post 18 indicated a gamma/wanderer team and 17 added upon it despite not being that alignment indicative.

i'm too tunneled rn to work out if this is towny or not, i'll check/ask nsg

the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him

Uh no I'm discrediting the town reads because I disagree with the reasoning and think it's wrong. That's not wolf paranoid of townies allying that's me pointing out what I don't like.

this feels slightly overexplained but whatever, that's likely within Tes' townrange as well

he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves

No I was responding to posts page by page. I thought I made that pretty clear.

this answer feels like it's matched to the wrong quote

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?

Yeah because of the fool proof coalition I made at the beginning
Since we're out of Rvs and I forgot to do this earlier, HURT: everyone for now
I'll try to analyze all the players tomorrow and get a better idea of what I think, maybe make a read list idk

i don't like this either but this bit is in Tes' townrange too i think

im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum
...
thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx

reminder to self to go check if tdw has built up on this tesxx read

this one
it's like not ground breaking but...... it's a read.........

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i think i've kinda spoken ~around~ that but not directly addressed the point:
i think there's a reasonable chance they're actually t/t and correct on each other but it's also an incredibly optimal weak spot for pocketing

out of the two i'd say dva's play has exhibited more good faith which inclines me to see it from a town pov. not that gamma's hasn't, his approach to solving the game has just been like..out of character, a little quirky and difficult to parse. it's not inherently wolfy, just harder to read.

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what made you see them and think "o hey tvt"? @Rel

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yeah i get you, but i'm not sure i see why dva's read on gamma would necessarily waver just because she's good at solving tbh
it's not compulsory for reads to change (my read on nsg hasn't much)

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you sure?

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sub me for tdw and I can probably support that

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how do you feel about Yuriko and Tes separately? also did you read them as s/s independently or did you catch someone else doing so first?

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is there a point to this line of questioning
I read them as s/s independently, when I saw yuriko heal tes early on

ye I was curious what point you caught onto the s/s tones from. I was a little thrown earlier on bc the early coasty heals pinged me a little but a lot of people had t/reads there and in a vacuum I think Yuriko in particular had some pretty towny looking moments, I'm just kinda swung back around now

largely curiosity

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don't stress too much about it, catch up and keep talking to us

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I would like dva and skitter to townread each other, I think

how so?

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TDW is pretty hard tunnelled on me
I think I'm loosely out of my ms scum style but probably within my broader scumrange ao I expect his mu meta dive on me will probably make him more adamant to not coalition me

I'm kinda fine w approving one w/o me tho

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yeah that's maybe true
HURT: dva
HEAL: gamma

(sorry DVa I genuinely don't think you're a wolf but I also feel like unless I'm being finessed I have the scumteam and I'm not sure who else to take out atm)

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so so much so

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@nm I'd like to be in your broalition

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@tw can you talk to me about your gamma heal? i'm not really feeling it rn

tbh I'm kind of in a situation where I need to know if my solve is right or not and I don't mind rel's breakdown of the DVa/gamma situation toooooo much so was curious to see what happened

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yeah that's fair
I'd rather be in the coalition than have gamma in the coalition but I'm kinda respectful of TDW's reservations too

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HURT: Gamma
HEAL: the ducky

skitter30 goat tbh

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for the record i'd say skitter can read me like an open book atm

i agree with irrelephant's assertion that he's getting a lot better at reading me since seeing actually my scumgame and towngame a couple of times

i think like, candidly nsg has been better at reading me in the past than she is atm. imo she's previously identified traits of my scumgame which are not actually alignment indicative; she's inclined to read me more south of null rather than absolutely backwards

nm and gamma are historically >rand correct on my alignment which is a large part of why i'm highly suspicious of nm rn

not sure if i've played with dva before

i'm like a beacon to this list now that i'm penning this


pedit: GOAT = Greatest Of All Time, not mafiascum terminology but like..probably started on MU and slowly spreading around the greater mafia community

i say that about skitter because she reached this coalition very organically ahead of time

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I still feel like if I'm wrong on anyone it's the Raya/Relly slot but I don't feel like this is scum!Rel's entrance. also I think our pedantic questions were largely paranoid pedantry and his responses to them felt pure and correctly ridiculous at the correct times so to speak

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<3
quality posting as always NM

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DVa given we're getting closer to the game being refilled and a coalition going through and it feels like your interest in being a part of of the coalition is rising proportionately, there's a voice in the back of my head telling me to be wary.

Thoughts?

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I mean
Wisdom

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I'd rather skitter to you atm... sorry rel

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I'd be fine blasting a coalition while Yuriko is v/la too.

skitter's coalition is good
Rel's coalition is p good too

happy w either

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NSG NSG help

is this a last minute powerwolf from rel?
is this a last minute powerwolf from DVa?
are we being deepwolved?
or are all of us town and the team is indeedy nm/yuriko?

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part of me wonders if I should float a coalition without NSG but I don't think commanding this kind of

presence

as a wolf is within her range

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HEAL: DVa, The Worst, NSG, TDW, Gamma

@schadd_

could I please update my coalition to this one? I'm not much fun so using hurt/heal tags takes too long.....

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we kinda have two options
skitter's coalition is pretty much like, the people we should be townreading from a technical point of view I guess?? but also has very high deepwolf equity

DVa's coalition has the {NSG, TDW, tw} core which imo never contains a wolf. and if it fails we mechanically have to consider a dichotomy of {DVa, Gamma} which is probably something we're already forcing too much today?

I'd also like to see tdw explain how he thinks I'm a wolf if it does fail.

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that's not relephant right now

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we kinda have two options
skitter's coalition is pretty much like, the people we should be townreading from a technical point of view I guess?? but also has very high deepwolf equity

DVa's coalition has the {NSG, TDW, tw} core which imo never contains a wolf. and if it fails we mechanically have to consider a dichotomy of {DVa, Gamma} which is probably something we're already forcing too much today?

I'd also like to see tdw explain how he thinks I'm a wolf if it does fail.

what do you think of this masterpiece of a post by a very humble author? just food for thought

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that's fair
are you confident there's a wolf between {DVa, gamma}?

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let me think about it

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hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm

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o hey welcome Nibbui!!

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ye sure your slot is scum with Not_Mafia
I'll be here for like the next 10 hours or smth on and off; wanna jam about stuff while you catch up? <3

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guys stop!!!

stop what?

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guys stop!!!

stop what?

OH FUCK

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I'M SORRY NSG
I AGREE, LET'S NEVER REACH THE NEXT PAGETOP

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o hey welcome Nibbui!!

yo duckling

are you a town good boy this game?

please be!

oh my god are you who I think you are

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FUMUREII?!?

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alright fam
our suffering begins now

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talk to me about what you don't like from TDW in the early pages? some pointers on TESXX would be cool too but less essential

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<3 I've been amazing other than missing you!
How've you been my friend? Hope the real world has been treating you nice.

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hmm okay sure. basically by way of a read list I'm at

{tw}
{NSG, TDW}
{skitter30}
{Irrelephant11}
{Gamma, DVa}
{yuriko/you}
{tesxx/nm}

TDW I think you should spend some time on in the short term if you're focused on that read; I am pretty strongly town on him but I've spent some good time reconsidering that slot.

gamestate spiel incoming

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basically we're in a weird situation where gamma and DVa seem to heavily townread each other but a lot of players outside of that bracket are having a hard time getting a firm read on either of them. DVa has just hardcore suggested a coalition of {TW, TDW, NSG, DVa, gamma} which interests me greatly and I'm very seriously considering may contain 5 town but it's a pretty dangerous prospect given its... not anywhere near consensus townreads

I had very deep seated paranoia of skitter earlier in the game but I think she's probably self analysed her breaching her scumrange fairly accurately; she's probably town but that read is a bit less pure than NSG and TDW

the main coalition suggested is basically just the top 5 players from my read list. TDW doesn't want me in for reasons which haven't been totally articulated but which I don't completely hate, but is willing to reconsider me

in the event someone in the top 5 is left out personally I feel DVa is a better call, others have made cases for gamma

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but like its probably not surprising the game is slowly PoE'ing into you/nm being the scumteam. NM I'm pretty sure is just a wolf; your slot wouldn't surprise me either way but I don't feel particularly wrong on any townreads either so.. :shrug:

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fyi if we have a situation like the first coalition where one person has just MADE TOO MUCH NOISE not to be in the coalition ("the wisdom approach") it would be my slot so if we get another decent townread floating above the gamma/dva line I'm extremely comfortable being subbed for that player

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if you're town and you still like investimigation and stuff, the previous two runnings of this setup by northsidegal are both really good reads. the first one was a scum win in 3p, and the second one was a coalition town win via excellent mutual slot + gamestate reads

unless the team is literally you/nm were looking at fairly strong scum play here. it's Jusr difficult to tell whether that takes the form of DVa insisting she needs to be townread along with gamma vs. gamma softpocketing DVa vs. Irrelephant coming in like a wrecking ball vs. skitter being even better scum than she usually is etc. etc.

this setup is so pro paranoia

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oh yeah and I rep'd vizzy as a gimmick alt, accidentally feverposted out of character than alt-slipped so repped in

I am probs a robot

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what an interesting post.
don't feel pressured. we have 7 days which is a full deadline in many setups; I'll be here as long as you're online so take your time and let's find some talking points!

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since optimal town strategy for a failed coalition is to lynch within the coalition until we hit red then hunt for associatives, optimal scum strat is to avoid both members being in the coalition whuch reduces the chance of a d1 scum lynch from 40% to 20%

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I have a few possibilities for what scum could be doing. anything on your mind?

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ye for sure, it's better to just try and work out who's woofin rather than to nail the entire scumteam ane eeEEEvil schemes d1

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that's a good point about skitter; her good reads as scum are usually gamestate analytically nuanced more so than like intense gamesolvey town critical so to speak

I'd need to reread this

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do you think scum!Nibbui is imitating your catchup?

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can you show me where and talk me through why?

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can you show me where and talk me through why?

You saw my fucking retread, why are you playing dumb?
And it could be a way to optimize catching up, but my optimization was formed to my method of sorting posts, which was well-served by cutting the thread into 100 post chucks. I doubt you did the same method.

I'm saying the odds that he decided to parrot your re-read is incredibly unlikely. I was hoping you'd step back and talk me through it slowly or realise that it was exceptionally unlikely.

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here is deadline -> (expired on 2018-12-06 19:15:00)

That's a good deadline

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I know he’s not parroting my method exactly, that’d be cosmic coincidence levels of crazy
But it looks similar to the point I felt it needed discussion

HURT: Nibbui btw

This is like the kind of read I have as town when I'm severely overgamed but I'm not sure that's like.... a thing he's doing before he's reading the game organically is all... it's kinda hard to tell whether this is discrediting or really legit and left of centre

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I was objectively playing dumb ye but I was doing that in the hopes you'd explain yourself in more detail

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Even his tunneling about robot doesn't seem genuine imo.

spicy
catch up and talk to me about this

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yeah I know but I will be heartbroken if this coalition fails and he's actually town and I didn't give him the time of day on d1

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did you have a chance to re-acquaint yourself with our warm meta? (I won't push on this; just curious how you're reading me given we have indeed played before)

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if the coalition fails we probably need to lynch within the coalition til f5 mechanically but I can be coerced

nibbui/nm is a very very good solve

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He only engages robot to say "you're scum". That's no healthy, and doesn't sound genuine.

Do you hard townread me/robot where you're at?
do you think my slot's town based on your catchup?

he was concerned I was a vastly more skilled scum player and wanted to exclude me from the coalition due to difficulty in reading me

the explanation for not-coalitioning me acrually worked for me Wbu?

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yeah it's abnormal play for MafiaScum (he's also not from MS), I'm not sure why you think scum!him does that though?

and yeah I think I can read you a little but you have a bit of unreliable meta energy.. so far you're kinda nullwolfy though but your slot is also wolflean

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I think it's better for you to catch up first.

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Sup

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where are your reads at now?

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that's..... a lotta reading for one go :0

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I feel like your reads are largely accurate and pure except you get thrown out of orbit a bit when you're distracted in the flow of the thread (I don't think you had any idea I was woofin the one time I rolled scum against you because I just pocketed you d1?)

just musing tho

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oh yeah I stopped reading that post halfway
yes, 1232 applies

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so what's your verdict on your friend TDW?

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o hey welcome Nibbui!!

yo duckling

are you a town good boy this game?

please be!

this was a very Yuurei post I guess, largely I think your alts read pretty different tho

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get some sleep when you need it.

I think we need an official skitter fabclub so I don't get caught out when I try to alt...

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morning

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I'd say the best way to disprove that team is to just omit both of them from the coalition.

I've thought about this a fair bit today and I still think skitter's proposal is the correct way to go.

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{me NSG TDW skitter relly}

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if I'm wrong on someone via sheer underestimation it's always skitter but I don't feel wrong there.

if I'm wrong on a read it's probably Relly but I'm not comfortable on where to substitute.

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Nibbui speak up if I'm being a bit slow here x

during the vig game I remember the main reason you became a "must lynch before lylo" as Fumuki was that he was making some stubborn and seemingly strong, nuanced pushes but after long enough it started to look like he was just pushing the same arguments over again as though it was a clear-set path?

does this make sense and do you agree/disagree? do you get why I'm still pretty uncomfortable with you here?

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man you're cool tbh

the more I think about it the more I'm concerned you misreading me/not townreading me tbh is scum indicative; idk tho

your tone here is a Lottttttt more fluid but your reads still feel a little stiff. I'll need to come back to this when I'm sober imo

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intent to hammer in a few hours

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Duckling, how many times have I misread you?

In Espe's game I misread you
In Ircher's marathon game I misread you until that gambit
In that newbie game I went back and forth with my read on you
In Dino's Open 720 Noir I was kinda suspicious of how easygoing you were

In all those games I was town and misread you or wasn't confident there

Do you have any reason to think I'm good on reading you whatever alignment you may be?

You've been chatty here and when I left the site you seemed burned out of scum (and that is reflected in Espe's game?), I'll give you that, but is there posts you're confident that it's outside of your scum range?

Yeah in hindsight maybe explicitly misreading me isn't wolf indicative; it's more like you don't seem to find a whole lot readable in my posts. my entire towngame is wearing my heart on my sleeve until I've coated the entire thread in a thin veil of blood and ruined my shirt. I get scumreading me here and I get townreading me here. I get having a deep seated discomfort but accepted I'm probably town via mass meta townreads here. I don't really get nullmehmaybedownidkreading me here.

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I'd say I'm probably a little outside my scumrange, or close to, but eh

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the time has come to lolhammer
I can't think of any reason to hold off realistically
we've been waiting to find out if we're being rolled for tOoooOoooOOooO longgggg

HURT: Gamma, DVa
HEAL: skitter, relly

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Gg fam! Well played everyone.

Shout out to DVa, actually correctly reading you was throwing me into spirals of madness.. in a less familiar/strong-town list I think you were in the coalition like 80% of the time

also shout out to schadd_ for the amazing modding + flavour!

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I liked the point you made about long deadlines vs real time interactions in the dead chat. actually that was something I was struggling w TDW with a little bit earlier as the robbot, like I thought it'd be kinda fun to force some real time jamming since his homesite is good with that, I think it just like organically didn't work out though (might be my fault for being synthetic)

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you won

vizzy GOAT

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yay we won and i solved the game on page 3!!!

ftfy you were amazing

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RC is watching
always watching
apparently he's also my alt's main