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Post #449 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:44 am
Postby Vedith »
Work has been busy today so I haven't had a chance to catch up yet.
Open to discuss and look at particular ISO/posts until then.
Just over 2 pages a real day is tragic activity.
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Post #464 (isolation #5) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:38 pm
Postby Vedith »
Okay. I've done a read through at last. Yay Vedith \o/
I really like Invisibility Ank and Skitter as town. Which is odd as I don't normally town read easily.
Eragon and PB are pinging my finger tips. PB town reading Eragon for a weak reason and now all of a sudden back tracking?
Eragons posts to PB all look pre planned or faked. 181 and 208 just feel planned between them.
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Post #466 (isolation #6) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:22 pm
Postby Vedith »
I like how Skitter interacts with her Scum reads. Mainly talking about comments to PB.
Skitter is normally a player I like as town, with pulling out that meta card is proving I'm this game that she's trying to sort players early.
A lot of what I read from the game as a whole is NAI or really slow paced to what is should be. Skitter is actively trying to push the game forward.
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Post #477 (isolation #9) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:08 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 476, skitter30 wrote:@vedith i can't tell if you've gone back to read other posts or something but i would like an answer to this
Sorry I was going through PBs ISO again.
I don't get the question? I'm basing it from previous games with you. I'm pretty sure it's this account or my alts.
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Post #479 (isolation #10) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:25 pm
Postby Vedith »
At one stage I was running 9 alts and I know I've played more than 1 with you.
I probably won't have a good solid sense, which past games have proven whenever I use meta theres a good chance i read the slot incorrectly. But if I feel that someone is town because I recognise a good play or feel that the intention are town in going with it until proven otherwise.
Even now as Scum you have no reason to question me so that makes me feel more confident.
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Post #480 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:39 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 452, Ausuka wrote:looking through era's iso i still feel that he's scum; like he's not really making any pushes and doesn't feel interested in scumhunting at all and says it's because it's earlygame even though it's not and he's even putting effort into the game, it's just that as far as I can tell it isn't going into scumhunting.
I agree with this.
It looks like he is interested in Scum hunting. But he starts a push or questioning then it feels it falls through.
This doesn't directly fall under Scum but there's a good chance here I think.
@Eragon - You're vote is just sitting on PB from your first post. What's your actual read there right now?
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Post #481 (isolation #12) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:40 pm
Postby Vedith »
Okay I managed to let the time get the better of me again and it's 2:40am. As I have work in 4hours I'm going to bed.
Sleep well all of you lovely people \o/
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Post #489 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:01 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 487, Eragon wrote:frankly, i dont think i have one. I havent seen anything that makes me think he is town or scum. i wasnt a huge fan of his last post that without progression changes his reads against someone he was calling another person out for pushing, kinda feels band-wagony, but its not huge.
You're vote is currently cast on PB. Should I assume you don't have any reads below Null?
If you have I'll like you to share them.
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Post #645 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:02 am
Postby Vedith »
Atm I think Lazy, Slaxx and Ausaka is where the Scum team are in.
Eragon I actually felt was town from his posting end of yesterday.
Invis and Ank just town for me.
I just finished a game with Slaxx scum where he had me convinced he was town. I feel the same was in this game reading this and think Slaxx voting me is because I'm an easy lynch. I'd rather lynch him over Lazy every time.
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Post #654 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:41 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 646, Slaxx wrote:So...because I flipped scum in another game and your slot has been scummy I'm scum?
That's not what I said at all
I'm saying you were Scum there and I have the exact same thought of your play there as your play here.
I mis read you there like I mis read you here.
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Post #660 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:47 pm
Postby Vedith »
Well I'm not going to be trying to convince scum i'm right, if that's what your hoping here.
I'm just waiting for particular responses ti pin down your buddy.
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Post #662 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:30 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 661, Slaxx wrote:I mean if that’s your excuse not to engage in dialogue that’s fine I guess.
I'm happy to. I just don't see your argument of no to change my mind.
If you actually want to convince me that I'm wrong then advise why I should vote someone else over you?
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Post #664 (isolation #25) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:45 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 663, Slaxx wrote:My shitty ass wheat gambit pretty much always comes from town me. Look at Winters Sacrifice for Slaxx gambiting to draw a night kill.
Also the Tosser play is absolutely horrid, but that’s your slot so it’s a dead end.
I’ve already given my reason for several reads, including Vizzy town and Eragon town. You’re acting like the burden of proof is on me when I’ve been much more transparent with my thought processes.
Why are you intentionally twisting what I'm saying?
If you think my vote is wrong on you and care enough to want to discuss you should be trying to change my mind.
Your gambit is NAI and tosser doesn't change my read on you.
Who else is scum with me?
I know it is. But it gives me 0 reason to change my vote from you.
Because I don't know if you would do that as town or Scum based alone. Your argument was that it's something town you would do. I don't know that therefore NAI.
But who else is Scum other than me?
I'll continue this tomorrow though.
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Post #677 (isolation #27) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:45 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 667, Slaxx wrote:Buuuut you’re so confident on my scum game that you voted me based on one that just finished like 48 hours ago? That makes zero sense.
Okay I guess I'll stay up a little longer.
You again have intentionally twisted what I was saying and tried to play it into your favour.
You are comparing what infirmation on your play I have in your scum game to a particular play I wouldn't have seen in your town game.
You're argument is completely invalid.
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Post #685 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:51 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 672, Slaxx wrote:The fact Vedith is willing to say “lol that’s NAI” before even doing a meta dive or asking other people to source games is like
Wut
Like I understand if you don’t want to lean heavily on outside games to read me as town but you can’t do that while ALSO leaning on a recent game to read me as scum.
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Post #686 (isolation #32) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:55 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 673, Eragon wrote:Then why don’t you explain why you are “Right” to town members?
Well for a start Slaxx is now twisting what I'm saying to suit. So there's that to add.
The fact that Scum are easily between him Lazy and Ausaka means that voting him I'm right more times than not.
When I'm trying to discuss about the other Scum I have to keep asking for an answer and even then it shows he's not looking for Scum otherwise it wouldn't just be guess without backing.
Slaxx is clearly Scum here.
Also im phone posting and it's 6am if you can post questions in less spam that would be great.
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Post #687 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:57 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 675, Eragon wrote:Your argument you are absolutely convinced on is
“I think he is overall towny, but I misread him in the ballroom blitz game and I think I’m misreading him the same way here”
The play is the same.
I was pretty convinced that Slaxxs play in that game reflected here.
Why would I be pushing as 2 more read town reads as Scum here today as Scum? That makes no sense.
And you still haven’t addressed the fact you don’t have town meta on me to compare it to
Which would be absolutely fine
If you weren’t using meta for the entirety of this push
But it wasn't just meta and you know that.
You're twisting what my read is all together.
I'm not sure town here would get so defensive to me calling you Scum and saying to follow my read tomorrow when you have a Scum read on me and I'm the most obvious lynch today.
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Post #692 (isolation #36) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:05 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 688, Slaxx wrote:I’m really baffled how anyone can cast a vote on someone who they’ve played with as scum but not as town and, in good faith, say “I’m voting him because he feels similar” and not have the thought that maybe it’s a playstyle thing and not AI.
Then. On top of that, completely ignore any additional meta that might point towards me being torn.
It’s just... beyond comprehension from a town player.
It's like me saying I only push higher town read players as town and not as Scum as I don't want to be called out on it.
It's meta that is particular to a different part of the argument.
You saying you only make gambit as town is not something I would take as meta with you saying it.
I have seen how you play Scum though and I do feel its the same as here.
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Post #694 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:07 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 691, Slaxx wrote:1. The similarities between the games besides “feel”
2. The fact you don’t have any accurate town meta on me and refuse to look into it to falsify your read on me but still are leaning on a single game for your scumread on me
3. Why, in this particular game, outside of any meta, I’m scum
I can do a cross over of examples between that game and this game tomorrow when I'm am my PC.
But it will be for the town not for you.
I already stated I don't need to convince you. You then wanted to discuss reads and still fail to show interest in sorting out other Scum.
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Post #697 (isolation #38) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:10 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 693, Slaxx wrote:Because it’s a stupid fucking reason to suspect someone.
When I feel it’s my play at fault I’ll admit it. Skitter, Eragon, and Pink all know that.
If I have a hard time following a thought process I tend to get suspicious. When people direct the conversation to my reaction to the bad thought process instead of elaborating on it I go for blood.
But it doesn't make sense for you to react this was at all.
On my flip town should lynch you tomorrow just for how defensive you got.
It makes no sense for you to "admit" your play at fault as Scum so I don't even know what you're saying right now?
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Post #699 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:14 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 696, Slaxx wrote:Vizzy, Lazy, Ank, and Eragon are all townreads.
I think Lazy might be the only one I haven’t explained well.
You two are what’s left.
So when you have PoE it's okay but when you're in my PoE and I feel you to be the most scummy on it I don't make sense?
Get out of here with your double standards.
I don't care that I'm the lynch today, tomorrow you're lynched then Lazy or Ausaka.
VOTE: Vedith
I'm done talking with you. You wanted to discuss Scum reads to convince me you're not Scum and you just can't do it.
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Post #710 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:41 pm
Postby Vedith »
In post 709, Slaxx wrote:I feel like I’m trying to have a conversation with someone about what their favorite type of pizza is and they’re using astrology and particle physics to answer.
Irrelevant example.
Keep going I'm sure my read will change.
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Post #752 (isolation #51) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:29 am
Postby Vedith »
In post 746, Pink Ball wrote:Ausuka was town with or without your flip. I was having more trouble with lazyreads. And not only she tunneled me D1, but then killed Slaxx, Eragon and Ausuka
If I was in Lazy's shoes I would have done worse.
Don't be mean.