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given the nature of this setup i have 50/50 of catching scum. i will catch scum. scum know that i am going to catch scum.
scum strategy in this game is to mislynch me, 100% of the time. particularly given that the paragons will support it given that it makes their wincondition easier to remove the biggest ? in the game.
if you're town, you win by working with me and you lose by voting me or allowing scum to discredit me.
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Post #20 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:06 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 19, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that she is scum trying to imply I'm being more reasonable than my town meta would dictate when in fact I was being (what most people would define as) pretty
un
reasonable and she was trying to force a super complex sounding train of thought for pushing on me after I already pointed out that it is scum wincondition to paint me as scum this game.
this is a lot more convoluted than what I was thinking.
In post 25, Shoshin wrote:Hmm, not sure if RC's paranoia is fake or real. He knows at this point that he's paranoid of me every game but this seems a bit too soon for it, plus I feel like he'd probably wouldn't be coming after me like this so early.
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Post #53 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:17 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 41, RadiantCowbells wrote:can't buddy me in a game where you lose when i lead on your partner.
I do see the logic in this argument. On the other hand, half this site scum reads you as a matter of course and paranoia.
Obviously, scum loses if you successfully lead on the partner, but if I, for example, were lynched today, maybe scum gets the win after paragons pick you because lawl-RC-is-scum~ reasons
I'm not sure that there is no path to victory for scum that don't go after you
In post 53, u r a person 2 wrote:I do see the logic in this argument. On the other hand, half this site scum reads you as a matter of course and paranoia.
Obviously, scum loses if you successfully lead on the partner, but if I, for example, were lynched today, maybe scum gets the win after paragons pick you because lawl-RC-is-scum~ reasons
I'm not sure that there is no path to victory for scum that don't go after you
so you state the former and don't understand why my progression is what it is and why I'm town for it?
I think I understand your progression, and I think you are more likely town than random, yes.
What I'm pushing back on is the conclusion of your progression - that shoshin is scum - which is based on
1) scum coming into this game with the same strategy mindset as you
2) you being highly likely to correctly scum read the partner when pocketed by one scum
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Post #81 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:30 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 74, RadiantCowbells wrote:previously on shoshinpernatural: if i rolled scum against you i would try to mislynch you
rc: the clear play for scum is to push a mislynch on me and discredit me because I'm highly likely to lead on scum if I'm allowed to play town leader
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Post #96 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:37 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 92, RadiantCowbells wrote:i don't think it's specifically paranoid of you for me to scumread you calling me scum on the first page right after I spelled out my feeling that scum's primary goal in this game is to attack my town standing.
I think if you're at all self-aware you probably expected that SOMEONE would scum read you for claiming that anyone scum reading you is scum in post 1
There's not much to talk about. RC is still going at shoshin hard even without the vote, and my initial reaction is that it probably isn't SvS.
What reason does he have to stop going at her hard until someone else comes in the thread? You haven't given good reason for him to shift to you, and it would be really awkward for them to both agree to invite each other and then shut up.
I think that maybe what you're missing is the meaning I place on language regarding probability. It may seem like I'm being purposefully vague, but when I use terms like "highly likely" or "probably" you can actually read into them my confidence levels.
probably, coming from me, means "more often than not" or "at least 51% of tine time" and as such implies a large percentage chance that the opposite is true. It's meaningful in so much that a single data point is meaningful to an overall regression.
My initial reaction is that it's probably not SvS. There were countless ways scum shoshin and rc could have entered this thread, and I think this option gets chosen less often than not. Additionally, I think being paranoid of one another, or using the other to generate discussion resulting in an exchange like this is likely from tvt and, to a lesser extent, svt. But by no means is this read (of them not being svs) something I would bet the game over on its own.
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Post #109 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:48 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 105, u r a person 2 wrote:probably, coming from me, means "more often than not" or "at least 51% of tine time" and as such implies a large percentage chance that the opposite is true. It's meaningful in so much that a single data point is meaningful to an overall regression.
oh i guess i actually said "not very likely"
which, coming from me means like not more than a 75%ish chance of something being the case. I'd amend this to "probably not SvS" rather than "not very likely"
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Post #135 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:37 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 133, Shoshin wrote:You basically threw a game I had solved for you on D1, U2. Not to mention the other game town lost before I even had a chance to post. Not sure why you'd think your reads are better than mine if you're doing worse in the games we have together.
Hey, now we had the same poe at the beginning of D2
And then things happened
And I agree, I have bad reads generally post d1, but my D1 statistics are actually pretty darn good. Not really trying to discredit your reads, because I frankly have no real understanding of your game, but I'm prideful enough to push back on you there.
And the second game you're referencing happened very quickly, and I while I ended up on the D1 wagon, I was not in support of either lynch occurring. Basically, I'm saying you are looking at a small and awful sample of my play.
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Post #141 (isolation #32) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:44 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 139, Shoshin wrote:That hydra was almost entirely the worst. I barely read that game because my internet broke just as it was getting going (that's what I disappeared from the geriatric as well).
oh is that right? I think I remember that from the post game. Yeah, that was part of what derailed that game, but I'm not trying to assign blame. shit happens.
per sc2, You guys not signing your posts makes it tough for me to remember either of your styles as individuals, anyway so it's whatever
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Post #148 (isolation #33) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:53 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 142, Shoshin wrote:If I hadn't lost internet, we win the geriatric game 100% of the time. But it's okay. I liked your play there by the way, not saying you're a bad player. I just don't think you can say your reads are better than mine.
Almost all posts in Starcarft were the worst. The few that were me were really obviously me.
yeah i agree - because we lynch the poe instead of you d2
but like i said things, like your connection failing, happened. Again, I'm really just pushing back on the characterization of my reads because when I get a scum read I like I'm going to push it, and I don't need to have been portrayed as having bad reads. I'm not trying to make any sort of judgement on your skill or ability to make reads.
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Post #158 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:23 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
For real tho, I think it happens because I catch the obv scum D1 and the other scum is better and/or becomes more acclimated to the game state and how people are forming reads
I am able to get my head around his early progression and the thought process behind it. It was more convoluted than I would expect from page 1 scum
and while I imagine town!you can make that replace out comment, I can see it as a scum response. Now, I'm also getting a hard nosed feel from you that feels like the vague conception of town!shoshin that I have, and that feeling came through the whole of our earlier convo as well as this repetitive question now, so I think you're town
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Post #175 (isolation #40) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:45 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 172, RadiantCowbells wrote:if i'm paranoid about it I think that expressing that paranoia right now is unsafe because he townreads me and my standing in town isn't good enough to make an unnecessary enemy.
This feels like posturing. And I get where you get this whole paranoia that your lynch is right around the corner from, but this is a game where you can drop that.
And if you do, and if your town, it will show through better as a result, just sayin
given the nature of this setup i have 50/50 of catching scum. i will catch scum. scum know that i am going to catch scum.
scum strategy in this game is to mislynch me, 100% of the time. particularly given that the paragons will support it given that it makes their wincondition easier to remove the biggest ? in the game.
if you're town, you win by working with me and you lose by voting me or allowing scum to discredit me.
In post 15, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey Shoshin if you're pretending to be transparently scum instead of actually just being transparently scum you should say something because I was already considering voting you.
In post 18, Shoshin wrote:I was going to say the same thing to you, RC.
I think that she is scum trying to imply I'm being more reasonable than my town meta would dictate when in fact I was being (what most people would define as) pretty
un
reasonable and she was trying to force a super complex sounding train of thought for pushing on me after I already pointed out that it is scum wincondition to paint me as scum this game.
In post 19, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that she is scum trying to imply I'm being more reasonable than my town meta would dictate when in fact I was being (what most people would define as) pretty
un
reasonable and she was trying to force a super complex sounding train of thought for pushing on me after I already pointed out that it is scum wincondition to paint me as scum this game.
this is a lot more convoluted than what I was thinking.
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Post #194 (isolation #47) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:55 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 192, RadiantCowbells wrote:it would be very silly to put it past me to fake the saudade/stk thing as a dumbtell and i think it would be equally silly to put it past urap for the record.
also yes. While I have yet to pull a dumbtell as scum, I would do this.
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Post #240 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:16 pm
Postby u r a person 2 »
In post 237, Shoshin wrote:His townread on you seems like he's just unaware of your reputation as scum, the reasoning seems plausible from town U2. But I agree the posturing point isn't good.
I have not played with scum!RC in a non-marathon setting (I don't think?), but I'm aware of his reputation, and I respect that he is undoubtedly excellent as scum. So if your read is based on me not knowing who RC is, you should probably reevaluate.
In post 237, Shoshin wrote:His townread on you seems like he's just unaware of your reputation as scum, the reasoning seems plausible from town U2. But I agree the posturing point isn't good.
I have not played with scum!RC in a non-marathon setting (I don't think?)