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VOTE: nimueh


@singletonking, why is that vote obligatory?

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yo not cool

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im not going to actively change how i read apthet

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i mean look at the setup

every role has equal chance to be town and scum, no matter what abilities

slight tweaks are made but its not insane to have a loved mafia member

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same thing really

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well we probably have different takes on how to play mafia

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oh you are srs about this

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if you are 100% srs ill 1v1 u

beware

no takesie backsies once this happens

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wait so you are 100% srs?

like this is very important

i dont want you to take this back

because we may reach game throw territory if you are trolling

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: |

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: )

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i disagree!

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i think its natural to take it seriously with the followup post by skygazer

don't you?

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ok

but the premise of my question

is about the followup.

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i have a day-guilty on oka

VOTE: oka

yo not cool

where is the seriousness at the start here?

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did you just...

give up?

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id expect you to have something more than

"ah well whatever"

you aren't going to psychoanalyze me or something?

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how do you play

the only experience i have with you is in marathon games really

ive heard tales of your skill tho

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my problem is here:

i don't like your reasoning for scumreading me. its wrong and i think its faulty logic

and im going to basing my read on you based on how you read others, because you have a reputation of being very good at both alignments

and if you are wrong, you are evil.

unless you have an alternative way for me to read you.

[OkaPoka]

Hello everyone!
VOTE: Skygazer

no comments on any interactions so far?

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yeah

sure

but my question really boils down to, why is overreacting scum indicative?

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Skygazer finding you as town from that interaction seems kind of unjustified and trying too hard to "get something done" quickly. RadiantCowbells's attitude towards his vote feels to me like town more working off of a feeling and being relaxed about it, which feels more genuine.

so you voting skygazer is a srs vote?

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ok

also is anyone on alts in this game

if so post mains plz and ty

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so

what happens now

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hi!

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thoughts so far?

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hi three of us are online

lets do the thing where we form townreads on each other and then form an ultimate faction of coolness

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i think apthet's necessity to have information pried out of him is bad

but

he might be new

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which is why i want his main

so i can meta him

: (

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at least have other people meta him for me because meta'ing is a lot of work and having summaries is nicer

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lets at least get this question out of the way

@apthet are u newbie

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if he is new

then its nai

ive hung out in newbie queue and its a mixed bag (usually depends on mafia background, if he is an MU player then this is a bit of a dafuq but if no exp whatsoever then this is standard)

if he is an alt

it depends on who the main is

but then the question would be why did he create the alt, i know some people create alts to change up their playstyle. but then id need to see this "mission statement" in action.

basically it doesnt affect the now, it affects the future of my read on him

[OkaPoka]

u and rc

because u guys are actually talking

and anyone who is active early gets free townreads!

so if ur scum and u want a free townread, just talk to me!

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i think its hard to make a judgement call on what is scummy and what isnt until later in the day where i can get a bigger picture

which is why priority rn should be to generate content

VOTE: apthet

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why do you want votes on apthet tho?

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rc do u really think me n sky could be buddies

because from what im reading thats what you think

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this would be better if us three collectively all townread each other and then formed super town bloc

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rc im town !

us three can all be town

its not really smart for scum to try and create content when they can leave this game as a content void game

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im asking, why wouldn't scum want this game to turn to apathy because the stage is already set for lowcontent

yet us three are all here, posting away and talking it out. maybe its a bit shitpost-y but i dont think its garbo

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why? what would be your goal here

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ok but clearly

1) you aren't trying to force a townbloc
2) neither is skygazer
3) i don't care if the game is shitty if im scum

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tbh i suck at scum i just get lucky with scum partners and let them carry me

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hey man

townread me pls

oka = town

say it with me

yes i spampost as both alignments, but the posts i post have different intents behind them.

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that was @skygazer

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skygazer,

when ur scum

doesnt it make you all happy and cheerful when you see town burn themselves when fighting each other, and they end of threatening to never talk to each other and what not.

its what keeps me going as scum, TvT = fun to watch

[OkaPoka]

dont deny it

the most ego-boosting feeling as scum

is when you get two townies to fight each other

pedit: guess not

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hey stop that you!

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i suppose i should stop posting until the rest of the playerlist shows up

so until then

toodles

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Nimueh, you misunderstand me. My take on apthet changed whether she is an alt or not. But if she is new, then her posting imo is nai bc I can't use meta so I have to generalize based on my experience with newbs

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I guess.

Enigma has yet to check in?

I'mma disappear unless you have direct questions

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Not yet but it affects the future so it's helpful to establish a baseline of her play day 1

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How do you guys have somewhat fleshed out readslist already

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Anyone know if guiltylion or enigma have alignment preference?

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u arent going to be lynched yet calm down

game hasnt even fully started

waiting on enigma to get in the action before the party starts

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not voting u

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VOTE: nimueh


@singletonking, why is that vote obligatory?

i think its hard to make a judgement call on what is scummy and what isnt until later in the day where i can get a bigger picture

which is why priority rn should be to generate content

VOTE: apthet

anyways

tbh didnt know u were at l2

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very well ty

time for you to spew some thoughts

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isnt sky voting u tho

making that l2

because sky + guilty + apthet = 3

[OkaPoka]

5/9 to lynch (majority)

unless your loved like apthet

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also dont know how wise it is to call scumteams before one player has even the chance to post anything meaningful

sleeping soon

hf enigma

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Nim how new are you? To mafia and mafiascum.

SS do you have any scumreads?

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SS what do you make of Nim's rxn?

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why u voting s_S?

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nim who's ur main

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well what's your general experience with mafiascum?

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nim

have you never been at l2 before

have you never played with people who arent too vocal with their reasoning?

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rc are you the case-ing type of person

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nim talk to me

what makes you think that apthet cant be the type of player who likes to keep her cards to her chest

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thats not apthet!

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nim talk to me

what makes you think that apthet cant be the type of player who likes to keep her cards to her chest

I don’t know but gun to head, I think Enigma’s response to RC, is the scummiest thing I’ve read in this game so far. For someone who only claims to have one read, to suddenly want to lynch a slot over solely a reaction to vites on them, is seriously sketch.

I still disagree with SS, because if she is re-evaluating, then why is her vote still on me?

I don’t believe SS is scum here, he doesn’t sould shady like he did in Boon game, so definitely don’t want to vote there.

thats not how im reading his post

he's asking a question of whats wrong with having u lynched today

not

lets party down and get you lynched today (enigma)

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okay are you TrinityNZ?

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her vote isnt on you lmao

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For the record, my response to RC there is because I'm extremely easy to read for someone who knows me well enough (and RC does).

Now knowing that RadiantCowbells scumreads you, do you have anything to say revisiting this?

And UNVOTE: Nimueh

VOTE: Something Smart

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yes you are misreading his post

like 90%

im still poking around on who is scum

but srsly, are you trinityNZ

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You are voting apthet

And s_s thinks apthet is obvtown

What's with that

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rc

is nim supposed to be this ridiculously defensive

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@ssking

scumreads?

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nim

if you dont trust your obv town's reads

why should we trust your read on s_s

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the people i want to hear from arent talking enough !!!

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All aboard the treestump train!

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RC what are those reasons for townreading Singleton?

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I'm wondering what you want out of this gamestate

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If we do what you want, what's the next step?

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the issue is i dont see how your play moves the gamestate forward

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im not scum!

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well the way im reading u rn

you are saying

"i dont like current gamestate rn"

but you arent offering an alternative

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ok lets do nothing and sleep


because thats basically what you are offering to us

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ok s_s

how about this

ill support whoever you want to vote, you get two votes

what do

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the fact that we are ~20 pages in and the gamestate feels pretty mellow makes me feel... strange?

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its calm but i feel like meaningful content is lower

and people seem content with letting things stagnate

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i need to hear singletonking/engima/guiltylion's current take on the game

like how they feel about it, who they want to lynch etc, more info the better

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who do you townread so faR?

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So what's the game plan to get more townreads for poe

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i feel like town s_s would be more nuanced in play than this

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its just... too consistent?

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i feel like town s_s would be more nuanced in play than this

its just... too consistent?

Wat?

i dont know whether you are actually this much of a reactive player + townhunter or just playing a caricature of yourself

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i hesitate tho because its very easy to stay within your comfort zone when half of the slots are disengaged

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im lost

i have no hard towns or hard scums

i just have a range of null town - null - null scum

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the more i sort the more null i feel

: }

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UNVOTE:
lets just take time and consolidate some reads with town-scum rankings.

maybe we can get somewhere with this

1-7 or something

1 = guaranteed scum
2 = pretty leaning scum, probs 50/50 chance scum here
3 = slightly scum above variance, doesnt even need to be scum a majority of the time, just above variance
4 = so null that lynching here might as well be random lynching for you, ~78% town
5 = slightly town above varaince, usually town here
6 = almost certain to lock in town here, ~78% to be town is variance level for everyone or something so you can be like 95% sure idk its arbitrary
7 = guaranteed town

here are my tentative rankings
1 =
2 =
3 =
Something_Smart

singletonking (3.75)
4 =
apthet
GuiltyLion
Skygazer
Enigma
Nimueh (4.25)

5 =
RadiantCowbells
6 =
7 =
OkaPoka

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hi make reads rankings or something so we can get somewhere unless you have alternative to getting us somewhere

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readslists pls

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id prefer if everyone's next post that hasnt done so yet be a readslist

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Why

To me she feels like newb scum but she isn't new so I'm lost

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what does scum nim look like?

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s_s what does your scum meta look like?

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i dont get it

if you are this aware of how you play as town

why cant u just play like this as scum

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what does scum main acct look like

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i want to policy lynch anyone who declares themselves a late game player from now on because it's basically saying that you're not effective as town without a boatload of extra information that the people who tryhard on D1 don't have

wait i like this

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whats stopping you from playing like this as scum if you are this self - aware

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nim pls answer

whats stopping you

from playing like this

as scum

if you are self aware of your town play

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saying "im obv town" is not useful

i say it to be a meme

but im starting to feel like this is ur actual town!case on yourself

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nim pls answer

whats stopping you

from playing like this

as scum

if you are self aware of your town play

I don’t understand what you want me to say here? I can’t play like this as scum, because I’m not scum in THIS game, obviously.

i want you to explain your thought process when playing scum. is it not imitating town meta? are you incapable of imitating your town meta? whats up

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saying "im obv town" is not useful

i say it to be a meme

but im starting to feel like this is ur actual town!case on yourself

I don’t understand the point of your questions. I can’t play like this as scum, when I’m NOT scum.

okay lets start from the top

how do you play as town

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its relevant because talks like these are how i sort people

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VOTE: enigma

is it possible its enigma/stk and they're both whining in thread about being unable to get into the game because they're scum

I know he misrepped me and when I confronted him about it, he gave me some sarcastic response about not being able to read my posts. It was weird.

wat

post links pls

pedit:

is it really hard to think like a scum
like cmon
you've probs played enough scum games to get the general gist of how you want to play a scum game

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VOTE: enigma

is it possible its enigma/stk and they're both whining in thread about being unable to get into the game because they're scum

I know he misrepped me and when I confronted him about it, he gave me some sarcastic response about not being able to read my posts. It was weird.

where

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nim why are you voting enigma

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yeah i saw those posts

he apologized for it

whats weird about making a mistake

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no im wondering specifically why you are voting him

because it helps me sort you

is poe really it

nothing else?

pedit: yeah

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the sarcasm is pretty clearly a self deprecating joke

thats his apology

let me give you a shitty parallel

enigma: haha ur an idiot, the answer is 3
nim: no its actually 4
enigma: oh wait im an idiot the answer is 4

you see, in this example enigma is making a self deprecating joke on his own capabilities as a human being as an alternative, more humorous way to apologize for his mistake.

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nim

are you a satire account

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im clueless

im just wondering if you have any other reason to be voting enigma

pedit: because people are being memes and u keep taking them literally

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fair enough i guess

i just dont know how conducive this attitude will be towards generating content from enigma from now on

but i mean i guess

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i think asking people about their playstyle can reveal a lot about their mentality if they choose to play with me

i think getting mentality or a snapshot of it is good so i know what direction they want to do to see if their actions make sense with their words

+ some people just play scummy so understanding them is kinda necessary unless you want to lynch the more scummy players

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Eh Idk

I feel like you have talked a lot and done little but it's probably just me only

yeah i mean i guess

but who has really done anything outside of rc

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im trying but im not good enough to ask the right questions or push the right buttons :/

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but since you pointed that out singletonking

what have you done this game?

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sky has a sense of charisma

and she hasnt burned any bridges

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skygazer

tell me about who is scum

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have you ever interacted with engima or apthet?

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why dont you ask them some questions and poke around on what they think

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fuck it

rc you can have my vote

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literally tell me where to vote and ill do it

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we are playing dictator today

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give your vote to rc

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singleton!

what have you done this game?

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president rc

where shall i place my vote

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Spoiler:

If history has taught me anything it's that when people give me easy townreads that they're scum. I always want to townread these people. they're always scum.

Does this play into your uncertainty on Skygazer?

This post also pinged me a bit

Hmmm...

Eh Idk

I feel like you have talked a lot and done little but it's probably just me only

Enigma shows signs of being struggling town

I'm not seeing the things making GL town and I have no idea how to read RC so I'm throwing him at null for now

Town
Nimueh
Skygazer
OkaPoka
Enigma
apthet = Something_Smart = RadiantCowbells
GuiltyLion
Scum

Something like this?

oshit this is gl town

Really? I'm not seeing it. I see 652 as potentially being scumread for the wrong reasons, and I really hated his vote on SS.

...
This isn't anything?

so why is it that why i do is nothing and what you do is something

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why is it what i do is nothing *

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Spoiler:

If history has taught me anything it's that when people give me easy townreads that they're scum. I always want to townread these people. they're always scum.

Does this play into your uncertainty on Skygazer?

This post also pinged me a bit

Hmmm...

Eh Idk

I feel like you have talked a lot and done little but it's probably just me only

Enigma shows signs of being struggling town

I'm not seeing the things making GL town and I have no idea how to read RC so I'm throwing him at null for now

Town
Nimueh
Skygazer
OkaPoka
Enigma
apthet = Something_Smart = RadiantCowbells
GuiltyLion
Scum

Something like this?

oshit this is gl town

Really? I'm not seeing it. I see 652 as potentially being scumread for the wrong reasons, and I really hated his vote on SS.

...
This isn't anything?

so why is it that why i do is nothing and what you do is something

Maybe "nothing" was an exaggeration, but I was more talking of how much you were doing vs your post count.

I don't care about being hypocritical when making reads. If I see someone doing something scummy, I'll call them out on it even if I'm doing the same.

1) so is it scummy to break up "wallier" posts into a series of smaller posts? i can wall post if u want to see wall posts

2) if town you does it doesnt that make it NAI?

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how did i just shoot up that far

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VOTE: nim

Party time

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Why is it a terrible vote?

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No offense rc but you've been indecisive and waiting on things when people were evidently willing to help you push things

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In fact there isn't even vanity wagons, it's just straight up people not voting.

Also I don't think there are any consensus scum reads singleton

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VOTE: ss

Actually let's just do this

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Ok so that's why I'm doing my own thing again

[OkaPoka]

I'm strictly mobile posting until deadline fwiw so don't expect quote chains from me

[OkaPoka]

Easy to call town town when scum?

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No offense rc but you've been indecisive and waiting on things when people were evidently willing to help you push things

You should talk.

My comment is directed at RC saying he has been trying to powerlynch

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In fact there isn't even vanity wagons, it's just straight up people not voting.

Also I don't think there are any consensus scum reads singleton

Do you even have a reason for voting me?

Yes, because you spew random comments that were jarring and at first I was being patient but now idc

[OkaPoka]

Easy to call town town when scum?

I wouldn’t know, would you?

Who am I calling town?

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The fact that you can't think like scum for a moment because you aren't scum in this game or so you claim

Or that you are town because you are town

Like wtf

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Out of everything Nim could have said

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You did the thing where you argue you are town because you are town


Nobody is helped by this

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Wow great conversation we are having here I am learning a lot by your flawless logic and irresistible charm.

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Find the quote where I ask her how she plays scum and she says idk and I ask her if she can replicate her scum game as town and she says she is town

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Nim you've dodged the question over and over with nonanswers. It's not beating a dead horse. Especially when you prove you are capable of answering the question.

SS is playing some caricature of himself. This is just straight reactive and townhunting. He is playing so strictly to these guidelines without some inkling of nuance where I doubt it's genuine.

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Hi anyone else how is ur scum meta?

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Maybe

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I don't think anyone is townreads gl. At most he's null

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Pls vote ss

[OkaPoka]

Porque no los dos

[OkaPoka]

Porque no los dos

Translation please.

It's a reference to an ad.

But basically why not both

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: apthet
Unless SS can get some support

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VOTE: engima

Lmao RC isn't voting apthet

Gl-dont want to lynch here for reasons of I want to talk to him and basically I'm banking on him being more active but now it's getting down to the wire so yikes

Stk-will lynch

Enigma- will lynch

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I probably shouldn't just free pass GL but ehh

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Yeah Nim but nobody feels strongly about anyone to do a thicc case

[OkaPoka]

Please case meeeeeee

[OkaPoka]

Let's lynch anyone who isn't voting

[OkaPoka]

Enigma, rc, Nim throw down ur votes so we can start moving forward

[OkaPoka]

Three for stk
Two enigma
Two GL
1 sky
1 not voting?

[OkaPoka]

I think stk should claim

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VOTE: gl

I was thinking about it and GL might be the safe lynch here as in it's the least potentially damaging


Sorry bro

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Trust me

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No

But 90 percent sure this game is rolemadness and losing GL's role wouldn't be the worst thing

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I know certain things

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VOTE: stk

But then I thought

We probably all have shit roles

With how roles are distributed

[OkaPoka]

L1btw

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And I'm greedy

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Nah private info

[OkaPoka]

SS ur me probs

[OkaPoka]

Wouldn't that be ridiculously unbalanced with how roles are distributed

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Nim please read wiki setup

[OkaPoka]

I'm betting you this is semi mountainous as in no game altering prs (cop,vig,doc)

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It means stk should claim

[OkaPoka]

why enigma over a more established wagon like gl?

VOTE: gl

[OkaPoka]

why is he a better lynch =?

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

[OkaPoka]

check urself and then we have super ic right

[OkaPoka]

i wish

[OkaPoka]

check guilty

[OkaPoka]

interview me!

[OkaPoka]

ill never die

because we will win before then

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: enigma

i blv in gl

[OkaPoka]

Hahaha

Time manipulated fk

[OkaPoka]

I'm town!
Ama

[OkaPoka]

I was fine with an OkaPoka lynch as I felt he has not done much this game for the amount he's posted... but I didn't like Enigma's vote on him

Oka’s back and forth on Lion really made no sense. Do you think the Oka/Lion names being in red, means anything?

I still prefer Lion but since it’s getting close to deadline, I’ll trust RC on this.

What doesn't make sense?

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I think discussing this now taints the well