Micro 865: Let’s Talk About an Ongoing Game [Game Over]

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UNVOTE: Ausuka

Ausuka’s never scum here.

Clemency, who’s your under the radar scum read?

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226 looks super political to me, but maybe that’s just gut.

I feel I’ve gut read Brie as scum correctly before, though, but I don’t have a lot of familiarity with a decent amount of players here.

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Aight. Imma active lurk for a bit until someone’s around here in real time.

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Ausuka may be tunneling here, but it's very honest sounding. I think she believes what she's saying. (Yes, I am echoing Moongrass, thanks for noticing. Moongrass is town.)

226 looks super political to me, but maybe that’s just gut.

I feel I’ve gut read Brie as scum correctly before, though, but I don’t have a lot of familiarity with a decent amount of players here.

You mean the time when I was a serial killer?

I like Flavour's entry, but I'm not sure I can read him. He does sound like this at town, but previously I thought he was manipulative, and shot him because his reads were wrong.

That’s just my style of play.

I can show you some of my town games if you want.

I’m a known flip flopper, especially near the end game. I might have the EXACT opposite reads, but that actually helps me in solving the game, because eventually something will come up where it breaks that line of thinking and flip flop me onto the correct team.

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Intent to hammer TrainDriver

Please claim in your next post.

What I said earlier about the scumteam still stands. 2 scum are in TrainDriver, FL, Ausuka.

This is probably scum trying to set up a mislynch path.

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He’s asking Train to claim even though this setup is mountainous. That’s the definition of posturing.

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@Brie - possibly that time. I don’t really remember, but possibly. I just remember I gut knew something was off with you there.

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Intent to hammer TrainDriver

Please claim in your next post.

What I said earlier about the scumteam still stands. 2 scum are in TrainDriver, FL, Ausuka.

This is probably scum trying to set up a mislynch path.

Yeah, that's a possibility that I considered. But, why does NMSA do this as scum? He's not really casing any of us, right? So when Train does get lynched, there's no guarantee he'll succeed in lynching me next.

Yeah, but tomorrow is lylo. Pairing people up is strong.

I don’t have anything solidified yet. My initial reaction right now is Brie/NotSpam, but I expect that not to be correct.

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He’s asking Train to claim even though this setup is mountainous. That’s the definition of posturing.

This is actually scummy to me is all.

Like, I can see town doing this anyways, but I can’t help but shake the feeling of it coming for scum.

I know it can get pushed as NAI, but I don’t think it is. I think it’s Spam posturing.

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He doesn’t need to case today, he can case tomorrow.

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Unless you’re scum with him, and hatcheting me, I don’t understand the “why does he do this” comment.

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He doesn’t need to case today, he can case tomorrow.

Yeah, but I could case him tomorrow and it would be likely to work due to his chainlynching. Just seems to be a shaky strategy in general unless his partner is like moongrass in which case, we lose anyway.

I thought I was never scum?

You of all people should know how much I flip flop, even on that stuff.

I never said I thought you were scum there. I could just see the understanding of your thought process within that scenario

if

you were scum. The single link on the chain I saw the scenario, putting the links together isn’t necessarily scum.

You’re a solid enough player to know that.

And you casing him tomorrow after he already set you up is some sort of entrapment which naturally makes the paranoia on you higher, if that makes sense.

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Why do you want Train if your eyes on Moon and Brie?

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He’s asking Train to claim even though this setup is mountainous. That’s the definition of posturing.

Crap, I forgot. If a claim is unnecessary, then I guess I'll hammer in a few hours if nobody convinces me otherwise.

Looks like you were waiting for someone to convince you otherwise.

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I think NMSA/Brie is too easy.

I’m leaning Ausuka/Spam right now. Looks like they were fake pushing each other, but both went Train focused, and I feel like I’m next.

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I’m gonna do some VCA, I think.

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Ausuka/Brie, that’s interesting.

Yeah, so, I usually town read Clemency without even having to try really, but I don’t town read him here, or scum read him.

I think he’s town by default kind of deal because I think every combination with him in it is less likely than any combination of the other 3.

That’s due to their scum equity, though. Moongrass dying looks like it sets Spam up, but itactually does help relieve some pressure on Spam. ScumSpam probably expects to be pushed a bit here.

People need to talk to me

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Brie, what’s up? Which way are you trying to go.

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I think I’m leaning Ausuka/Brie right now.

What about you, Clemency?

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why are you scumreading me again?

Paranoia. Testing Brie. General flip flop *salute*

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You and Spam are TvS or some SvS plan you guys came up with. Game would essentially be over if you guys were both town.

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It’s late game, and you’re a strong player. I believe you potentially went on with the idea that I was lock town reading you because of the last day phase.

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And something about Spam/Brie seems incorrect. I can’t really put it into words right now. Everyone seems to think that it’s NMSA/Brie

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Would you lynch Brie?

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Clemency-FL
FL-Brie
Brie-Clemency

Are all confirmed not to be the scum team once Brie shows up, by the way.

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But you’re good enough as town for me to believe that you’re town here

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But you’re good enough as town for me to believe that you’re town here

In the sense that I feel I should be town reading you by now if you’re town

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Well, I can’t really comment on my predecessors.

Who’s vote would they be relying on if they were pushing for you?

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Whose

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Who’s?

Idk.

I just woke up. Can’t think

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Yesterday I stated that you were never scum, why would they know to do that?

I feel like Brie’s just waiting around for me to vote somewhere.

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Ausuka may be tunneling here, but it's very honest sounding. I think she believes what she's saying. (Yes, I am echoing Moongrass, thanks for noticing. Moongrass is town.)

226 looks super political to me, but maybe that’s just gut.

I feel I’ve gut read Brie as scum correctly before, though, but I don’t have a lot of familiarity with a decent amount of players here.

You mean the time when I was a serial killer?

I like Flavour's entry, but I'm not sure I can read him. He does sound like this at town, but previously I thought he was manipulative, and shot him because his reads were wrong.

This was an immediate discredit for when I stated a gut read on scumBrie.

It’s also a misrep, because I gut read Brie as scum, and she was a SK.

The other time, she was town, and I was a SK.

So we were never in the position where my read on her could be wrong, and it’s been sticking out to me.

This was like a replacement insurance post

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To be fair, we had 2 days of night, and the it’s only been a day really since Thread opened.

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They all want you dead, Spam.

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I’m a little teapot, short and stout

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I don’t think I’m being manipulated at all. I’m just thinking over all the possibilities, even going over Clemency.

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Moongrass kill does implicate Spam, but that’s really obvious. That could be the play, though. I make that kind of kill. Moongrass Dead relieves pressure, but implicates.

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And idk dude you've been pretty focused on me/brie for a while now and I don't feel like you're going to stop anytime soon.

Pedit: But like if you leave Moon alive they vote NMSA and aus/brie wins? WIFOM kill here would just be bad I think.

Of course I’m focused on you and Brie.

There’s only 2 scum left, and I think it’s within the 3 of you.

I agree. Spam/Brie makes that kill more often than Ausuka/Brie.

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I’ve been pretty strong with my gut reads lately haha.

I just don’t think he’s scum. It’s not anything he’s done, but that’s kind of just it.

It’s not anything he’s done. If he were scum, I’d have more to go off of, even if I was incorrectly reading him.

I just think he’s town.

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And I don’t see him as scum with either you or Spam. He was too on board with Train, and I don’t think scum tunnel push like that.

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Oh good you guys are both active. Ausuka, if I'm scum, who's my partner and why? FL, why is Brie scum?

Brie is scum for making those political reads, my gut scum read, which has been correct with Brie in the past (never had another opportunity to go otherwise), and my time with Clemency.

Also, I think Spam vs Ausuka is TvS, and Clemency is a town meaning, Brie is the likely partner.

If Spam vs Ausuka is TvT, the game is over once Clemency/Brie both get online, which i guess you could say Clemency is just waiting around for Brie to come online to end the game.

Pretty sure all of this has been said already.

I’ve pretty much been saying all of my thoughts.

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I hate using this, but Clemency is online if that thing on the bottom is correct.

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I hate using this, but Clemency is online if that thing on the bottom is correct.

hmm interesting. if Brie comes on we'll at least know that's not the scumteam

Or we lose

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I hate using this, but Clemency is online if that thing on the bottom is correct.

hmm interesting. if Brie comes on we'll at least know that's not the scumteam

Or we lose

A little strange that didn’t cross your mind

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Can you guys unvote? I now have an increasingly paranoid vibe of Clemency/Brie.

I don’t think that’s the team, but yeah.

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Can you guys unvote? I now have an increasingly paranoid vibe of Clemency/Brie.

I don’t think that’s the team, but yeah.

Clemency can't be scum with NMSA but can be with Brie? what?

He can be scum with NMSA. I just got paranoid.

I’m flip flopping a bit on Clemency now that I saw that he was online. You’re right.

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I think Spam is town.

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I think Spam is town.

why??

He feels genuine. I think he really thinks you’re scum.

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To be fair, Musicals I thought Vorkuta really thought I was scum too.

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I think the lurkers are scum hoping we would go at each other.

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For your reference, Spam, Musicals was a game that ended recently where Ausuka/FL combination ended up Powertowning a game that looked like a scum win, and in that game it was stated that FL-Ausuka town block can wreck games, so i feel like if Ausuka is town, scum felt the pressure

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Clemency is offline now, but he was definitely online for at least 15 minutes.

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That means she’s had a whole day yesterday to check in.

It’s Brie and Clemency.

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yeah I have to wonder why Clemency didn't check in at such a vital phase if he's town.

I mean, it’s weird as scum too.

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That means she’s had a whole day yesterday to check in.

It’s Brie and Clemency.

idk about Clem, but I'd be fine voting Brie and waiting.

See, it’s when you say things like this that gets me.

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That means she’s had a whole day yesterday to check in.

It’s Brie and Clemency.

idk about Clem, but I'd be fine voting Brie and waiting.

See, it’s when you say things like this that gets me.

wdym?

I almost became more convinced that Clemency was lock scum based on the online thing, but you chose to go after Brie here.

You’re either town or solid at feigning confusion.

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Scum probably no kill tonight to give a final 4 instead of 3.

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Scum probably no kill tonight to give a final 4 instead of 3.

I need tips from you post game on how to play in lylo

Haha, alright. You just gotta slow down the game a little bit, from my experience. Pretty much just gotta look for the person who’s going for the mislynch rather than going for scum.

Don’t let wallheadedness get in your way, either, because scum win off of town getting emotional trying to convince another player they are town.

3p lylo moreso than 5p there.

Ausuka is clearing me for some reason, and I’m trying to figure out if he’s actually town reading me or scum trying to use my vote to his advantage.

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I feel Ausuka kills me if they were scum here.

Ausuka/Brie doesn’t make sense to kill Moongrass.

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Clemency-Spam
Clemency-Brie
Spam-Brie
Ausuka-Clemency

Are the options I have right now.

I’m still going over the possibility of Spam-Ausuka.

Clemency not posting puts things into perspective

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She’s been pushing Clemency in a way where if Ausuka is scum, she’s trying to convince me onto townClemency, so I don’t really see that as too much a possibility.

They could be bussing Clemency, and pushing you to distance, in case she goes down.

Either way, Clemency scum equity is at 75%-80% right now.

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From my perspective

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Actually, I don’t think it’s NMSA-Brie because NMSA went to Brie and not Clemency.

So change NMSA-Brie to Clemency, I think.

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Yeah, I do think he’s town. I think he’s my strongest town read now actually

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@Ausuka - would you vote Brie?

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no. i guess i'd consider voting clem.

Solid.

@Spam - the team is either Clemency/Brie or Ausuka/Brie. I’m cool killing Brie here

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Interesting.

If you’re scum, I hit your partner, huh?

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I’m fine waiting for them to check in.

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Spam, where’d you go?

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Interesting.

If you’re scum, I hit your partner, huh?

Idk what would happen

if

I were scum. I do know that I'm paranoid. If I'm scum, I get no advantage out of you voting first that I can see, and if I'm town, I get a little more control. You said I'm a strong tr. Do you trust me enough here?

What do you mean no advantage?

If I vote Brie first, and she was town, and as scum you can insta hammer.

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Actually that paints towards Clemency/Spam a little bit.

Clemency probably went hidden after I started posting about it.

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VOTE: Clemency

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Actually that paints towards Clemency/Spam a little bit.

Clemency probably went hidden after I started posting about it.

why does that make me more likely to be scum?

Because I vote, and you and hidden Clemency insta hammer in that scenario.

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VOTE: Clemency

I'm confused now.

It’s Clemency/Brie
Clemency/Ausuka
Clemency/Spam.

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I flip flop all over the place in end game.

Brie hasn’t shown up, so Ausuka/Spam isn’t a 1v1.

I very much believe that Clemency was lurking around for a hammer either way.

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VOTE: Clemency

I'm confused now.

It’s Clemency/Brie
Clemency/Ausuka
Clemency/Spam.

Why not Ausuka/Brie?

I just think Clemency is lockscum at this point.

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Ausuka/Brie win at this point in the game, and I don’t think Ausuka disappears when I was leaning towards pushing Clemency..

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I flip flop all over the place in end game.

Brie hasn’t shown up, so Ausuka/Spam isn’t a 1v1.

I very much believe that Clemency was lurking around for a hammer either way.

Sorry, unpack this a bit? This is my first real lylo I think.

That’s my reasoning for thinking Ausuka/Spam could be TvT.

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I’m going into hyperanalyze mode

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I flip flop all over the place in end game.

Brie hasn’t shown up, so Ausuka/Spam isn’t a 1v1.

I very much believe that Clemency was lurking around for a hammer either way.

Sorry, unpack this a bit? This is my first real lylo I think.

That’s my reasoning for thinking Ausuka/Spam could be TvT.

I meant unpack it as if I was a newbie. I don't quite get why Brie not showing up implies this.

If Brie would have shown up, and Clemency too, they’d have hammered?

I’m not sure what i need to explain.

Both of you have done stuff I see as townie and scummy, and Brie and Clemency aren’t here so I have nothing else to go off of.

I’m a player that gets more off of direct interaction.

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We’ve had a lot this day phase. I had you pegged as a different type of player before this.

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UNVOTE: Clemency

I’m back to Brie/Ausuka.

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That’s the towniest thing you can do in Lylo, tbh.

When I get home, I’m going to do some stuff. I actually haven’t read the entirety of the thread as a whole yet.

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I didn’t even read a decent amount of Ausuka’s posts today even.

I just felt like it was noise where if she’s town, she’s possibly tunneled, and if she’s scum it’s scumbias.

I’ll look into it more later.

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I spent a decent amount of time refreshing the page with my unvote ready after I voted Clemency.

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I’m really salty Clemency came online and didn’t post.

I never use this as a reason to scumread someone, but I’ve been in games before where it’s actually caught people.

I’ll try to find it when i get home. We caught ScumAlonzo that way.

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Clem, I need you to talk to me.

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oh
uh
hi
i havent been looking at this game much

What an answer to the you being online but not posting here, haha.

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Well, Ausuka and Spam were cross voting, so if you and Brie are the scum team, you missed your chance to hammer.

Then I voted you for a bit, but nobody really posted, so they missed their chance to hammer if you’re town.

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try voting someone else and see if i can quickhammer :^)

I’m probably just gonna vote Brie.

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VOTE: Brie

Thoughts?

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UNVOTE: Brie

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Idk

Bored

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:/

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:/

Yes, this is a convincing argument and not at all useless.

what am I supposed to say? I've talked to you and Ausuka the majority of my time in this game, haha.

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It's not like I'm not posting.

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Occam's Razor is they're just scum afraid of an Ausuka-FL town block.

Countering that, Ausuka could WANT this to be the scenario and is just scum with an absent TheBrie.

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I mean, yes, ScumBoon would do anything (i mean, we went over what i wouldn’t do last game, Ausuka, haha.)

On Boonskiies I have the opposite, I’m Flavor Leaf, yes, I would do that as town.

I guess people just bypass that one, though, because I’ve only ever had my signature on FL quoted.

I don’t play on Boonskiies, though, so I guess that answers my own question.

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If you couldn’t tell, I’ve been reading the DT.

It hasn’t been that helpful towards me, though, because I’m the main person posting so I’m gonna look like scum from the outside.

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She speaks!!!

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@Brie - Essentially I’ve come down to townreading Spam, and it’s some combination of Ausuka-You-Clemency

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He’s been genuine this day phase, I feel he was the dedicated mislynch for the day, he’s been actively trying to solve with me rather than at me, he pushed away from Clemency and onto possible you, he mindmelded onto me with Ausuka/Brie, and he’s been actively waiting for you guys to come back.

Sure, that stuff isn’t necessarily AI individually, but as a chain, I think they are.

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The team’s probably Ausuka/Clemency or Brie/Clemency.

I can potentially see Brie setting up a pocket on me here but keeping me open as a mislynch, and I’d expect if her/Clemency is the scum team, she’d bring me back to Ausuka/Spam, which is effectively what she’s doing in her posts.

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I get it coming from a town perspective, it just also happens to push a scum agenda if she’s scum. If that makes sense.

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Brie’s post on Clemency also looks like potential scum upset with their partner not doing anything all game.

Clemency also admitted he was on site and didn’t check this game.

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I’m literally inches away from straight up solving this game. Whoever is town out of you 3 needs to interact with me more.

Ausuka has been solving at me rather than with me

Clemency’s not doing anything or playing around with me, which is out of character, plus the admitting to be online after he was caught out.

And you were gone forever and had very political looking reads yesterday mixed in with this game stalling

How am I supposed to town read any of you guys like that?

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Would you vote Ausuka?

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Yes, but not now. Must eat breakfast, clean the house and build things. Be back later.

Aka “wait for scumpartner Clemency to show up”

-.-

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I’m going Clemency today probably. That was a bait because there was no real reason for me to throw out Ausuka/Brie until then.

Spam-Brie-Ausuka final 3 or final 4 if they no kill.

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No really. I'm busy. And what would I want Clemency for?

Asking if I'd vote someone is obviously a test. I'd vote Clem too. But not taking time in Lylo has been lethal.

...

If i were to vote Ausuka, and you and Clem are the scum team, that would be a quick hammer.

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I’m going Clemency today probably. That was a bait because there was no real reason for me to throw out Ausuka/Brie until then.

Spam-Brie-Ausuka final 3 or final 4 if they no kill.

I think we've got this. Help us out from DT, it's time to lynch Clem I think. I want Ausuka to be scum so bad but I can't shake the feeling that maybe she's just bad town.

She’s probably scum here too, but Brie’s been making me paranoid with the way she phrases things.

Ausuka is essentially trying to do the same thing she did to me last game, when we were both town and in that game, you can see that her and I powertown’d together, the difference is, I town read her in that game, and she was convincing me on a wrong read.

So I guess I had confbias there.

I don’t know if this was a scum case or a town case, but it started out as a scum case.

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Doo doo a dollop of daisy

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Sick

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Not scum with Ausuka.

Does this imply that you are scum, though?

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VOTE: Clemency

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Clemency lockscum then

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Bussed your buddy.

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FL why can't you get out of your tunnel on me? I'm obviously town this game.

Must be confbias

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i mean, clever and manipulative is pretty apt for flavor

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First time I saw Tammy post

“Well, Tammy’s gonna read me as scum.”

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Woogity woop woop

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You can release the scum PT.

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I didn’t want to have to get into discrediting people in the DT, but I was ready! I had games ready to link and everything, haha

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I think I did pretty well at mimicking my current town meta here this game

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Ausuka and I weren’t ever going to vote each other this day phase really,, so all 3 town would have had to be on the same page

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With us getting into the mix

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I think I did pretty well at mimicking my current town meta here this game

I mean...not really?
There was a point where I forgot that you replaced Fumuki/Buki and at that point I thought you were scum with Fumuki/Buki and was trying to reconcile that with the gamestate.

So just because I had Fumuki/Buki as lockscum doesn't mean I didn't scumread you independently from that.

Yeah, but you generally scum read town me.

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You might have been able to convince one of us that Flavor wasn't killed to cause WIFOM. But I think I would have gotten it once I had the association to go off.

We also would have played differently, and I’d have played up more to Clemency, but once I saw the opening, this game was always ending this day.

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yeah the moment i realised flavor was scum i stopped trying because im sure as hell not beating him

Might Sig this haha