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Post Post #35 (isolation #0) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:12 am

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I'm weary sad. I thought the distributions were gonna be secret for some reason, and I was going to use that to get free townreads as either alignment. :(

VOTE: Ank

I'm pretty sure our PT isn't a masonry.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #1) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:20 am

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In post 21, Firebringer wrote:i don't know how many games he won this year, he is apparently on a long streak of scum lynches in games though
I dunno, he's lynched a buncha town in my games with him. Like 6 alone in FotM, not to mention the D1 lynch in that super broken normal we trashed and the dual BoP losses.

:shrug:

Maybe you're not looking at a cherry picked enough sample to make him look like a bad player.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:21 am

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Oh, in the interest of being entirely self serving:

VOTE: Firebrunger
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Post Post #40 (isolation #3) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:23 am

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In post 5, singletonking wrote:
The distribution table is as follows:

RC: 20
This was a terrible idea btw. Was super hoping to roll scum, so I didn't say anything, but RC should have been approximately 0 people's picks.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:26 am

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Yarp. Also, Scum!RC as your partner is bad because he 100% gets paranoia lynched D3 if he's still alive in this setup.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #5) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:29 am

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Oh, the reason I wanted the distribution secret:

If town, you have no incentive to claim your pick because you're not scumpaired.
If mason, you have incentive not to claim your pick because you don't want scum to mason hunt.
If scum, you now have to guess what people would pick as their partner.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #6) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:52 am

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In post 45, RadiantCowbells wrote:seems like a terrible way to play the game.
That sounds like something an RC would say.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #7) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:56 am

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In post 44, Ankamius wrote:I wanted Firebringer as my partner because we could just shitpost our way to victory as either pairing
It was a coinflip between you and FB for me, tbh. I know I can play well with both of you, both of you are good but not BoP paranoia lynch scary, and I know we could have fun wrecking fayce.

Also, in the infallible words of the great Ice T: "Talk shit, get shot."
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Post Post #50 (isolation #8) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:56 am

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In post 48, Voted wrote:I can count probabilities of people recieving scum. Do you want me to count myself as town or as unknown?
I'd prefer you do something useful.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #9) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:01 am

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I'm sorry, that sounds like you don't believe in the power of Ice-T.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #10) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:07 am

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Press doubt to X
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Post Post #55 (isolation #11) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:30 am

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In post 45, RadiantCowbells wrote:seems like a terrible way to play the game.
Actually, I want to hear about this.

Do you actually think that town you with the highest probability of being a mason makes it to D3 in any universe?
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Post Post #62 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:47 pm

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how dare you question how I dare to dare you, how?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:51 pm

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In post 58, Firebringer wrote:how dare u insinuate that we get along sir.
U wanna fite bout it?
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Post Post #66 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:53 pm

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man, I don't gots no mud. Only Jell-o
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Post Post #77 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:29 am

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You claimed parity cop with a n0 same result on me and ank. Confirm your role pls.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #16) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:52 am

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Is it though?
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Post Post #82 (isolation #17) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:03 am

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Point.

VOTE: Voted
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Post Post #84 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:06 am

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Okay, so who is scum?
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Post Post #86 (isolation #19) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:15 am

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In post 0, singletonking wrote:Firebringer
RadiantCowbells
Ankamius
Yahmose
TTTT
Jingle
Miss Kobayashi Maru
Skygazer
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Players who have done sufficient amounts of things:

Firebringer
Ankamius
Jingle

Players who should have done sufficient amounts of things:

RadiantCowbells
Ankamius
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Players who I would be fine lynching today:

Yahmose
TTTT
Miss Kobayashi Maru
Skygazer
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Post Post #87 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:16 am

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In post 85, Voted wrote:Yahmose and Prince of Renais had both 42% chance to draw scum. I really can't make reads so early on.
IF we numbers lynch today, we also masonclaim today. I would rather do 0 of those things.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #21) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:19 am

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In post 88, Miss Kobayashi Maru wrote:42% strikes me as higher than it should be

Not that I think math's a great approach to be taking rn
It's actually wrong, and obviously so at a glance, fwiw.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:21 am

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In post 89, Ankamius wrote:lol@expecting me to be a force d1
what d'you mean expecting you to be a force? I just expect you to have a thread presence. Which you do.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:21 am

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Quick, Isle of Dogs girl, attack!
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Post Post #108 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:28 am

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In post 103, Firebringer wrote:I can interpret cat language. I studied for 2 years in college.
Liar, no one studies in college.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:30 am

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If I'm a mason, my partner has a series of confirmable but obscure pieces of information to share, similarly to but legally distinct from, Normal 2070's neighborhood.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #26) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:31 am

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HA HA! MULTIPLE ENTENDRE!
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Post Post #116 (isolation #27) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:32 am

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I mean, isn't that SoP as masons? I thought that was literally the whole point of having semi-secret alts.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #28) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:39 am

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:yawn:

Not taking into account that the math is flawed based on Mason/Mafia overlap, the assumptions that you, me and Ank are all town can be made by exactly 0 people in this thread.

Probability of a single player being scum is P(S&!M). Probability of a team being scum is P(S1)&P(S2)&P(!M1)&(!M2), where P(S&M) is removed from the possible results.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:39 am

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In post 118, Ankamius wrote:the probabilities only matter when we already have a scumflip btw
Or a mason claim.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:40 am

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Also, can we all just take a moment to realize that this is a setup where the probability of S&M is 0?
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Post Post #126 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:42 am

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In post 123, Firebringer wrote:Do the probablities for me Jingle.
I do Tax work, I don't do probability work.
Fuck no. It's meaningless and the numbers in the original distributions chart give us a good enough idea anyway. Also, the %chance a player is scum == the %chance a player is mason, which is a REALLY bad way to scumhunt.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:43 am

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In post 125, Firebringer wrote:does that mean scum can't exist!?!?
Nah, just means scum can't be masons, but it is a funny sentence that makes me giggle.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:43 am

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By the transient property transients don't own property.

It's like the definition of transient or something.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:46 am

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Dammit, Ank, I wanna see.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:47 am

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I wanna see the lewd scum pt. It's no fun if you don't share with the whole class.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:48 am

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Or tongue in cheek to get scum to shoot elsewhere. It's one of those two options, which are functionally equally likely and thus null as fuck.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:49 am

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Judging by his avvy, I hesitate to call FB a young anything. If anything, he should be referred to as ancient cloth.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 170, Ankamius wrote:ftr

I think I have 3/4 masonry/mafia pegged
Get on my level, I have 9/4 of them pegged.
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Post Post #186 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:06 pm

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I mean... or he wants scum to think that he's joking so that they don't kill me. Or he wants scum to think that he wants scum to think that he's joking so they do kill me. Or he wants scum to think that he wants scum to think that he wants to think that scum are killing the joke so that I die.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:07 pm

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Yes
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Post Post #189 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:08 pm

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Or at least, I think so. :shrug:
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Post Post #191 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:13 pm

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Image
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Post Post #200 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:08 pm

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Is Skygrazer referring to levitating herd animals or something that literally eats the sky?

I agree with the sentiment that the peeps should post moar tho.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:09 pm

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I'd prefer obvscum, tbh. Makes things easier.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #45) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:23 pm

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In post 202, Firebringer wrote:Well I am trying to obvscum but u just won't accept me as obvscum.
ur reelly bad at it.

Also, we need 5 obvtown to win. We only need two obvscum to win. :cop:
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Post Post #209 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:23 pm

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Is it because he tried to scumread our tete a tete?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:34 pm

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Post Post #220 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:54 pm

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I just thought of a breaking strategy for this setup.

Submit two names. That way, you're in a 3p masonry or a 3p scumteam. It's brilliant!
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Post Post #226 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:57 pm

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In post 221, Prince of Renais wrote:if my tentative math is correct, that wouldn't actually change the ev.
What?

Having 3 scum players wouldn't change the EV?
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Post Post #227 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:57 pm

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\o/
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Post Post #236 (isolation #51) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:04 pm

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In post 228, Prince of Renais wrote:3 scum players and 3 masons
I mean... That means scum only needs 2 mislynches. And also would be an awful setup.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:28 pm

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I can't believe PR latched onto this setup discussion bit as opposed to actually discussing the game AND managed to miss the central conceit of the post.

The idea, PR, was that if I had sent SK two names instead of one, I would have a chance to be partnered with both of those people instead of just one, with the rest of the setup static.
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Post Post #297 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:47 am

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Sorry, I default to avvy pronouns because I frankly don't give a shit about pronouns. I'll pretend to try to remember in the future if that helps, though.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:53 am

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NGL, kinda wanna lynch Raybells here.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:01 am

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In post 300, Firebringer wrote:NGL I am lying.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:25 pm

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VOTE: TTTT

Please, Mr. Dragon, please don't eat this helpless sheep.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:26 pm

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In post 303, Miss Kobayashi Maru wrote:I just wanna say that the real Ephraim would never lurk until Day 3
There's a very good chance that it's NAI, actually, based on [reasons].

Still makes me uncomfortable, but :shrug:
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Post Post #311 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:51 pm

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In post 308, Prince of Renais wrote:I needed a healthier way to deal with people threatening to policy lynch me

now I just switch to an alt and shitpost
It wasn't a threat to policy lynch you? It was a declaration of intent to do the mechanically optimal thing in this setup. If you make it to D3 and don't mason claim, you're almost certainly scum. That would still be true, if to a lesser extent, if you weren't Raybells in the first place, but :shrug:

I'm not apologizing for not being an idiot. And honestly I don't believe that your response of "Jingle's trying to PL me" is reasonable given that about 1/3 of my (admittedly terrible) play in FotM was defending you despite you being an excellent candidate for a BoP lynch.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:50 pm

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In post 316, Prince of Renais wrote:basically
if you're going to threaten to hold me hostage and lynch me at a certain point because i should have died or solved the game by then
then i'm simply not going to solve the game at all
In post 1839, RadiantCowbells wrote:ok

let's let ruirui and jingle lead the lynches in the non-copped player pool

davesaz/inferno/fumuki/tmck

if they don't hit scum over the next 2 days we lynch them in lylo
In post 5, singletonking wrote:RadiantCowbells 20
The amount of sympathy I have for that position is < 0.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:53 pm

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So would this one. Mechanically, if you don't mason claim on D3 you're scum. Simple as.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:00 pm

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No?

I'm saying that PR living three days as the most likely mason means he's probably scum and thus I'm going to want a live-non-mason PR lynched D3. His argument that my desire for that is mean is stupid based on the fact that he did something LESS mechanically supported in a game we just finished as town where he argued a BoP lynch on my neighbor AND me if we couldn't hit scum in a lynchpool in two days, despite the fact that the neighbor spewed me town by flipping either way.

I'm also pointing out that I just handed him a scumwin by taking exactly the opposite approach as what he's complaining about.

His complaint of "Oooh, you're being mean to me so I'll just not play" is unreasonable at best.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:02 pm

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I also misread ank, in exactly the same game. I am not changing my approach to ank. Similarly, I'm not changing my approach to you.

Sorry that people chose you to be their partner, but that's the setup we're in. :shrug:
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Post Post #330 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:16 pm

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Oh, it's not. I'm just hoping that pointing out how ridiculous it is will make him actually play the game.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #64) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:17 pm

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In post 329, Skygazer wrote:jingle i just realized ur avi was jingle bells
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All but one of my avatars are username related. The one that wasn't was for Stellaris mafia, where I turned into a giant worm and ate one of the players.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #65) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:23 pm

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It's 100% NAI. It's also 100% annoying, especially given the context that he KNOWS how I think his alignment should be gauged AND that I believe VI's, uncooperative slots, and people who actively damage the game are the only people worthy of true PLs. To be clear, lynching RC in this game wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a mechanical lynch. And getting upset over potentially being a mechanical lynch is dumb.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:27 pm

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I feel like the RC townread here isn't S/S.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:34 pm

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That's not the whole argument, and the reason I made it in the first place is because I don't think I'm alive d3 to push it if he is scum in this playerlist.

Basically, a town PR is also the best vacuum NK for scum because they know that he's likely to be a mason. The collective evidence of high mason prob NOT being shot and high scum prob means that if we fail to find scum outside of him, he absolutely does fall on that sword, and arguing it today is the only way I can hope to make it happen if I get shot.

If you would like to discuss a scumread of yours, I'm all ears. Perhaps TTTT?
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Post Post #342 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:36 pm

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I'm usually dead before XLO, but I also suck at XLOs, so...
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Post Post #349 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:40 pm

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/inb4 me and PR are masons and this is all just a shitton of theater
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Post Post #352 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:43 pm

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In post 346, Skygazer wrote:dont like how tttt changed vote in response to me calling out his rvs vote still being there and like regardless of yahm's alignment he has some scum equity considering where he joined on the wagon/how he joined
For a minute I thought you were saying yahm's presence on a wagon was scummy and I was confused AF.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:51 pm

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Your grammar was fine, I'm also drunk. I had a migraine in the morning, so I spent the second half of the day day drinking.
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Post Post #356 (isolation #72) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:51 pm

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Also, I think its T^4. T*4 would just be 4T.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #73) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:56 pm

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I may be drunker than I thought, the fact that 4T resembles 40 phonetically is really amusing rn.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #74) » Wed May 01, 2019 7:43 am

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In post 366, TTTT wrote:I guess I better spell it out...
I hard defended Voted bc
1) he is lynchbaity
2) let's see how others respond to me saying it's a bad wagon like I'm his mason buddy
Zippie! 3 votes on TTTT
Is it wrong that to me this reads "I chainsaw defended Voted in order to SLAYERS GAMBIT!!!!!!"
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Post Post #376 (isolation #75) » Wed May 01, 2019 11:34 am

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In post 373, TTTT wrote:that's an oversimplification but ok
Is it?

You just said "I did behavior X to be able to catch scum who responded to it."

Behavior X, in this case, is likely to draw reactions from people who aren't actively looking for masons and people who are looking for mason softs, (both groups which may or may not contain scum). Behavior X is also incredibly scummy.

That's pretty much exactly slayer's gambit. And behavior X, here, is randomly defending someone for functionally no reason.

And all that is discounting the fact that Fire's scumread on you is as yet unexplained. You just kinda picked a reason that he might be scumreading you and decided that was totally it, without, you know, questions or verification.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #76) » Wed May 01, 2019 6:25 pm

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In post 386, Firebringer wrote:no u a scum meanie, i know ur sinister ways poopiehead
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Post Post #423 (isolation #77) » Thu May 02, 2019 7:34 am

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Does scum PR fakehammer town TTTT? I don’t think so, and also I think PR is likely the only person who realized what he was doing.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #78) » Thu May 02, 2019 9:51 am

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In post 432, Skygazer wrote:im not sure how good of a reaction test it would've been
A majority vote on a wagon wouldn't be a good reaction test? Do tell.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #79) » Thu May 02, 2019 10:30 am

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Oh, hm. I didn't understand the point of 277.

I was operating on the assumption no one reads the rules, because, you know, they don't.

Point taken though.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #80) » Thu May 02, 2019 1:51 pm

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I townread Prince of Renais in every completed game he's currently playing.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #81) » Thu May 02, 2019 4:23 pm

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Ooof. He gets like 5 scum PMs in a row starting in March. That's gonna suck.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #82) » Thu May 02, 2019 4:28 pm

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Well, can't argue with Gambler's Fallacy. Sorry Prince.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #83) » Thu May 02, 2019 4:31 pm

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Lady Luck would be a good username.
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Post Post #463 (isolation #84) » Fri May 03, 2019 1:36 pm

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In post 461, Yahmose wrote:Because everyone else knows that this is the way I normally do things?
I do?

Do I also know whether you stop being useless at somepoint? If so what point do I know you stop being useless at?
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Post Post #470 (isolation #85) » Fri May 03, 2019 2:51 pm

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In post 468, TTTT wrote:I feel like we are in some bizzaro world where you get mislynched for trying to get people to talk about their reads
and people who refuse to play the game get TR for it
Everyone knows playing mafia is scummy.

Who is getting tr-d who shouldn't be? What is the source of those tr-s?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #86) » Fri May 03, 2019 3:20 pm

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In post 484, Firebringer wrote:I don't think ur in the state to be making demands but okay
Is that state colorado?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #87) » Sat May 04, 2019 7:00 am

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In post 525, Firebringer wrote:I told u in the beginning of the mason thread that the mason thread is purely for our ongoing story.
I'm really excited for next weeks episode.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #88) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:13 am

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In post 536, Voted wrote:
In post 534, Skygazer wrote:hey voted any reason ur voting me or uh
Indeed. I have a reason. If I were foggy about the reason, would you see it as scummy behaviour?
17 hours til day end. If you're actually intending to get her lynched, you might wanna just, y'know, share it.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #89) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:14 am

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speaking of which:

VOTE: Yahmose
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Post Post #543 (isolation #90) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:25 am

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In post 540, Skygazer wrote:*4 days until day ends
Oh, weird. There's two deadlines.

VOTE: TTTT
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Post Post #557 (isolation #91) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:39 am

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If TTTT claims masons here then he's forced to claim a partner. The partner then claims mason too or TTTT dies. Then we're in autowin if TTTT scum.

tl;dr - claiming mason as scum is reeeeely dumb here.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #92) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:40 am

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And yes. If you claim mason you 100% get forced into outing your partner here. Because they're probably going to be found pretty quickly based on associations anyway.
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Post Post #561 (isolation #93) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:42 am

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Okey. You're dumb.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #94) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:43 am

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You forgot to thank me, so it untaps.

You're dumb.
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Post Post #565 (isolation #95) » Sat May 04, 2019 8:44 am

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Oh, karp, you did thank me. nvm that second one.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #96) » Sat May 04, 2019 10:38 am

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In post 573, TTTT wrote:Jingle
what's this about?
I was under the mistaken belief that the 17 hour thing was an actual deadline and any lynch>good lynch.

And, y'know, I'm not particularly opposed to lynching Yahmose.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #97) » Sat May 04, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 575, TTTT wrote:why does the likelihood of associations outing a partner require both masons claim?
and why the assumption that mason associations are that obvious?
If scummy player claims mason, that player then has to claim mason buddy. If they fail to produce mason buddy, then I press x to doubt and lynch anyway.

If scummy player claims mason buddy and mason buddy says, "Nah man, that guy full of the shits." I Press X to Doubt and lynch anyway.

If the scummy player claims mason buddy and mason buddy says, "Oh shit yeah, I'm terrible at this game and we're totally masons" then someone else goes, nuh the fuck uh, we have a town autowin. (Or at least a guaranteed scum lynch if the CC partner says "Nah man, that guy full of the shits.")

If a mason outs by themselves, scum knows the other mason is in a pool of 5 peeps. That pool of five peeps also has varying degrees of mason likelihood. That pool of 5 peeps presumably also contains people who pushed the original mason to the point of needing to claim. Odds are, if the scum team doesn't immediately know who the 2nd mason is, they can guess on N3. And the masons are p much useless, even if the living mason CAN confirm their mason status through the arcane method of obscure reference sharing. So having a single mason out is dumb, because its a netgain for scum.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #98) » Sat May 04, 2019 4:06 pm

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A single uncorroborated mason claim (any mason claim made post mason death) is not trustworthy in LYLO. A single, uncorroborated mason claim pre LYLO is pretty meh. If a player is run up and then claims mason, we've already agreed they're scummy enough to be untrustworthy. If a player is run up to the point they've claimed mason 5 of the 8 other players are purty much NOTMASONS.

Really doesn't matter a ton, but yeah, I 100% lynch anyone who claims mason and won't out their partner in this setup.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #99) » Tue May 07, 2019 9:24 am

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In post 680, Prince of Renais wrote:whoever is scum is planning around me being mislynched.
I'm town and I'm playing around you getting mislynched, so...

If you were a dayvig who would you shoot?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #100) » Tue May 07, 2019 9:25 am

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And are people seriously arguing about why the mason was shot? That's some moonlogicky bullshit there. It's almost like a lynched mason means their partner is functionally outed. :facepalm:
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Post Post #716 (isolation #101) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:06 am

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In post 602, singletonking wrote:
Vote Count 1.10TTTT (5): , , , ,
Yahmose (3): , ,
Skygazer (1):

Not Voting (0): :)

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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Didn't actually bother looking earlier, Fire, but this.

No one on the TTTT wagon was ever going to be a mason partner. You lead on him early, and also weren't ever going to be a mason partner. MKM and Voted are the only options left via PoE. That's a whole two options, which you then get to look in for associations and other nonsense. Presumably voted had some non mason tell posts with TTTT or MKM was just less overall lynchbaity. There's also the potential that Voted is scum, in which case it's like a 100% probability.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #102) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:08 am

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In post 715, Firebringer wrote:the mason is now functionally IC as best, and MKB wasn't exactly a threat during the day to any scum lol
Neither were any of the rest of us, from what I can tell. Killing a mason is a "keep the status quo" kill, and given the general apathy of the thread, that's not really a surprise at all.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #103) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:08 am

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Ank is feeling gross today, tbh.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #104) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:12 am

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Jingle
Sky
FB
PR ---- Null
Voted
Yahm
Ank

is a rough order without considering associations. I was townreading Ank D1 off of the open mason hunting, but her interactions with me and PR today don't feel like town ank.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #105) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:20 am

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In post 710, Ankamius wrote:sameish with Jingle, he'd already have a plan for how to play out the entire game depending on who the masons are and be playing for that, I haven't felt like he had an agenda for the game at all
This is the same townread you had on me in FotM, and I don't think it applies here. I can easily see a scum-jingle-narrative this game. Pointing town at a group of players and saying "there's probably scum in there" and then letting them rip each other apart is in no way outside of my bag of tricks. If PR town, I've set him up to not do shit this game and get lynched for it in LYLO without any splashback on myself.

Saying "He doesn't have an agenda here" is the most surface-y of surface level reads and I think you try harder than that to read me as town.

Additionally, PR did fuckall in my game you got lol-lynched in (pretty literally, in fact) so you should be aware that low impact play here is NAI, but you seem to be trying hard to paint it as scummy while keeping him alive, which fits the narrative he gave of scum assuming I'm going to crusade for his lynch. Given a PR town world, that's pretty much a given assumption for scum.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #106) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:24 am

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3/4 of those names TR you at EoD. 1 of those names hasn't been playing.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #107) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:28 am

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Spoiler: PR is scum for NAI reasons, but I wanna lynch someone else
In post 662, Ankamius wrote:
In post 657, Ankamius wrote:Only other option for me is Jingle

You two are almost always my two NKs as scum with FB
In post 668, Ankamius wrote:I don't shoot conftown that aren't threats to me until I either have to or have no better shots left
In post 685, Ankamius wrote:He's posturing
In post 710, Ankamius wrote:
In post 703, Skygazer wrote:meh

UNVOTE:

ank talk to me about ur non vt read on yahm/pr
it's a very PoE thing

FB was a VTread because of tone generally, I feel like he wouldn't be THAT carefree for THAT long as scum, especially with how dynamic the game was for a lot the first half of day 1

sameish with Jingle, he'd already have a plan for how to play out the entire game depending on who the masons are and be playing for that, I haven't felt like he had an agenda for the game at all

I thought you were VT mainly from the way you were playing around me D1, it didn't feel like scum trying to pocket/manipulate me nor a mason trying to sort or build false associatives or w/e

I had TTTT as my last VT read but obviously that's wrong

MKM/Voted/Yahmose/RadiantCowbells were my mason/scum reads

and now with MKM being revealed mason, it's 2/3 scum in Voted/Yahmose/RC, which ironically means that I probably should be looking to cement my townreads over figure out which two are exactly scum since that literally solves the game but w/e

RC feels like Fireonthemountain!RC and the way he played around the d1 wagons makes me suspect that Yahmose is the more likely partner than Voted
In post 712, Ankamius wrote:yahmose is my preference
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Post Post #745 (isolation #108) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:30 am

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In post 739, Firebringer wrote:and I also wouldn't have killed these masons. I would have killed either u jingle or ankamius since the masons are worthless and not doing anything.
In post 737, Ankamius wrote:are you literally telling me that I'm scum for townreading all the active slots?
The answer to both of these is simple. No, you are not town because you didn't shoot people who actively expressed townreads on you. :roll:

It doesn't make you scum, but it's definitely not a reason to townread you.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #109) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:31 am

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In post 736, Firebringer wrote:ank would have just killed PR unless ur gonna assume they are a team. Its pretty obvious to me that is what would happen Jingle.
Why?
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Post Post #756 (isolation #110) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:38 am

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15 extant scumteam possibilities:

PR/ANK
PR/FB
PR/VOTED
PR/YAHM
PR/SKY
ANK/FB
ANK/VOTED
ANK/YAHM
ANK/SKY
FB/VOTED
FB/YAHM
FB/SKY
VOTED/YAHM
VOTED/SKY
YAHM/SKY

Which of these can I outright cross off?
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Post Post #758 (isolation #111) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:45 am

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FB case on Voted at least looks like town thoughts, so I'm feeling confident in that TR.
Sky is just going to be put in the town on faith pile because I don't want to open that can of paranoia flavored worms.

That leaves:

PR/ANK
PR/VOTED
PR/YAHM

ANK/VOTED
ANK/YAHM

VOTED/YAHM

As my most likely suspects. PR/Yahm seems a little too on the nose. I don't think PR picks this hill to die on if that's actually buddies (If I'm wrong, he's def right about lynch PR over Yahm.) I'm also going to rule out Ank Yahm for the moment because Ank giving a list of three and then picking specifically her lynchbaity partner feels off. So I think, looking at this, I follow FB's case?

VOTE: voted

Ank/voted has +scum equity.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #112) » Tue May 07, 2019 12:01 pm

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Ankamius wrote:what%20are%20you%20giving%20me%20if%20it%20flips%20town
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Post Post #779 (isolation #113) » Tue May 07, 2019 12:02 pm

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Huh, somehow I straight up destroyed that quote.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #114) » Tue May 07, 2019 12:07 pm

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It's hilarious that a PoE pool of 4 overlaps with a PoE pool of 3 when I'm in neither pool and there's only 7 players alive?
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Post Post #789 (isolation #115) » Tue May 07, 2019 12:30 pm

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rope and gag dance?
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Post Post #812 (isolation #116) » Thu May 09, 2019 5:57 pm

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In post 1, singletonking wrote:Once your death scene is posted, you may not post, except for a single contentless ‘bah' post.
Bah Humbug.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #117) » Fri May 10, 2019 10:44 am

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In post 898, Ankamius wrote:I think Jingle doesn't scumread me there without FotM
Nah, the townread on me was weird AF. I was firmly in my scum meta.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #118) » Fri May 10, 2019 10:47 am

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In post 872, Prince of Renais wrote:by the way

Jingle and TTTT both needed to lose for the shit that they said to me on D1 that made me completely unwilling to play the game past there.

I wasn't tactically lurking I just refused to play this fucking game.
I needed to be taught a lesson because I wanted to make a mechanically optimal lynch? GTFO.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #119) » Fri May 10, 2019 10:58 am

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In post 894, singletonking wrote:If I ever implement a vote for happily ever after, it will be unanimous and all players must agree to it.
Also, anonymous.

RC, if you're concerned with mods giving you scum PMs on purpose, ask potential mods if they'll consent to provable randomness. I use dice tags before the listmod gives me a playerlist for the most part (the BoP's were decided using a D10 on my desk and I use random.org if I'm feeling exceptionally lazy) and that's not hard to prove post game.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #120) » Fri May 10, 2019 3:06 pm

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Eh, I've always admired murder clowns myself.
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Post Post #952 (isolation #121) » Tue May 14, 2019 10:00 am

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Nah, he hired me to fight his battles for him. And I'm a passive fighter.
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Post Post #954 (isolation #122) » Tue May 14, 2019 12:02 pm

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I actually think I have a pretty good matchup there.

Hulk Hogan has gotta be like 400 years old by now. Krang is a brain in a jar, and I can beat a brain in a jar no prob. And Maeglin has no reference on modern tactics or battles, so a gillie suit and a rifle is probably enough to win that fight.
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Post Post #956 (isolation #123) » Wed May 15, 2019 7:32 am

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